[04:15:45] <mightysands>	 so, I'm trying to access my [domain]/w/mw-config/index.php page to load up the config page for mediawiki, but it gives me an error 403
[04:24:18] <mightysands>	 I'm guessing it's a permissions error. But who should I change the user/group to if not root? Will I need to create a mediawiki user?
[04:33:16] <legoktm[m]>	 mightysands: what user is your webserver running as? Typically it'll be a user like www-data or nginx
[04:39:47] <legoktm[m]>	 I would recommend having e.g. root own the files, but make sure they're readable by your webserver user. But they should not be writable by the webserver
[05:02:20] <NoCode_>	 Oh, in the right place now. lol
[05:02:33] <NoCode_>	 $wgLogo = $wgScriptPath . '/images/4/47/mylogo.png'; -- Won't allow me to see the logo.
[05:09:10] <mightysands>	 legoktm[m]: ah thanks, yeah. Looks like my webserver is running www-data. How would I go about allowing www-data to read my /var/www/html/ directory and everything recursively held inside it?
[05:24:58] <legoktm[m]>	 mightysands: what file permission is it right now?
[05:25:22] <legoktm[m]>	 NoCode_: what do you mean by can't see the logo?
[05:25:51] <NoCode_>	 it's blank. 
[05:26:10] <NoCode_>	 But now I just messed around with wgLogos and there's a 500 error
[05:26:53] <NoCode_>	 What would be the context for that part of the file so it loads again?
[05:29:30] <legoktm[m]>	 Just comment it.our
[05:29:33] <legoktm[m]>	 it out*
[05:30:06] <NoCode_>	 Fixed it with the default
[05:30:21] <NoCode_>	 Now back to trying to get the logo to work
[05:32:08] <mightysands>	 legoktm[m]: well rn, it's all of the perms for root user and root group
[05:32:27] <mightysands>	 readable, writeable + everything else but the kitchen sink by the looks of it
[05:32:42] <legoktm[m]>	 If you can, I'd just put the full URL in: $wgLogo = 'https://.....';
[05:32:59] <legoktm[m]>	 As long as it's readable you should be fine
[05:33:14] <legoktm[m]>	 What webserver are you using? Can you pastebin your config?
[05:35:42] <NoCode_>	 full URL worked.
[05:35:53] <NoCode_>	 thanks
[05:36:12] <mightysands>	 I'm using lighttpd
[05:36:19] <NoCode_>	 I commented out wgLogos
[05:36:26] <mightysands>	 one sec for the config. plz hold.
[05:36:52] <NoCode_>	 Same issue at the same time? haha
[05:38:04] <mightysands>	 legoktm[m]: https://paste.debian.net/1204221/
[05:38:12] <mightysands>	 my lighttpd config
[05:40:06] <legoktm[m]>	 Hm, I've never used lighttpd for Mediawiki before. Are there error logs that might hint at a more specific reason?
[05:40:38] <legoktm[m]>	 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11537888/lighttpd-403-forbidden-for-php-files suggests it could be a missing package
[05:40:46] <legoktm[m]>	 NoCode_: great!
[05:44:06] <mightysands>	 hm, I'm not too sure. Where would the error log be found?
[05:45:46] <legoktm[m]>	 Under /var/log usually
[05:53:27] <mightysands>	 yeah, there are these errors:
[05:53:28] <mightysands>	 2021-07-13 04:06:30: (server.c.1295) WARNING: unknown config-key: fastcgi.server (ignored)
[05:53:31] <mightysands>	 2021-07-13 04:06:30: (server.c.1295) WARNING: unknown config-key: url.rewrite-once (ignored)
[05:53:52] <mightysands>	 I just created symlinks from conf-available to conf-enabled for fastcgi and rewrite modules
[05:54:03] <mightysands>	 reloading the service now to see how that goes
[05:54:55] <mightysands>	 ah loveley, I did force reload and now the control process exits with an error
[05:56:11] <mightysands>	 guess I wasn't supposed to enable those modules??
[07:12:51] <Reventlov>	 Hello.
[08:24:40] <Reventlov>	 So i'm getting intermittent error of loading for some scripts on my mediawiki install, e.g. "Loading failed for the <script> with the source "https://wiki.tld/load.php?lang=en&modules=ext.visualEditor.articleTarget%2Cbase%2Ccore […]"
[08:27:23] <Reventlov>	 I can see the requests being 200 in my web server and in the network log, so I'm wondering what might cause this error messages (which stops the loading of the visual editor)
[08:31:40] <Reventlov>	 https://0x0.st/-0yy.png
[08:32:25] <Reventlov>	 Any idea what could cause this ?
[08:33:53] <Reventlov>	 hmmm, maybe https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235554
[08:36:04] <Reventlov>	 nope it does not, but it seems related: chrome shows me net::ERR_HTTP2_PROTOCOL_ERROR 200 errors
[08:47:23] <Reventlov>	 let's switch back to 1.35 and see if that disappears
[09:17:57] <Reventlov>	 yeah it's not there in 1.35 with the workaround, but it's present in the 1.36 i'm using.
[13:26:24] <Reventlov>	 I still get some problem on firefox on 1.35 :/
[15:08:51] <Shisma>	 hi
[15:09:47] <Shisma>	 is there a way to deduce the location of /api.php of a mediawiki just by looking at the html sourcecode of an article of thet instance?
[15:11:58] <Shisma>	 the english wikipdia has its endpoint in `w/api.php` while fandom wikis seem to have it in `/api`
[15:13:15] <Shisma>	 i need a generic way to find it
[15:15:32] <urbanecm>	 Shisma: special:version displays that information
[15:15:54] <hexmode[m]>	 Shisma: it is in a meta header on the front page of the wiki
[15:21:11] <Shisma>	 hexmode[m]: you mean in the http header?
[15:21:52] <hexmode[m]>	 Shisma: no,  in the source of the page.  Of course, I haven't checked recently, but it was there.
[15:21:58] <hexmode[m]>	 1s I'll check now
[15:22:08] <Shisma>	 view-source:https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Version
[15:22:32] <Shisma>	 lets say i am looking at this code: view-source:https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Spock%27s_Brain_(episode)
[15:23:04] <Shisma>	 all i see is `<link rel="EditURI" type="application/rsd+xml" href="https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/api.php…`
[15:23:07] <hexmode[m]>	 This is what I was talking about:
[15:23:08] <hexmode[m]>	 ```
[15:23:08] <hexmode[m]>	 <link rel="EditURI" type="application/rsd+xml" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=rsd"/>
[15:23:23] <Shisma>	 but i don't know of it is reliable
[15:23:36] <Reedy>	 It should be
[15:23:36] <hexmode[m]>	 yes, that is a standard to point to the edit api
[15:23:43] <Reedy>	 If it doesn't work, it's a wiki config issue
[15:23:46] <Shisma>	 does it need to be there in order for the wiki frontend to work?
[15:23:49] <Shisma>	 cool
[15:23:49] <Reedy>	 or they're doing something very non standard
[15:23:52] <hexmode[m]>	 its in all mediawiki's
[15:23:59] <hexmode[m]>	  * its in all mediawikis
[15:24:13] <Shisma>	 they use a hacked older version i think
[15:24:27] <Reedy>	 Who is they?
[15:24:32] <Shisma>	 fandom
[15:24:34] <hexmode[m]>	 fandom does, but it has been in mw forever
[15:24:43] <Shisma>	 yes
[15:24:52] <hexmode[m]>	 it was early 00s or late 90s when rsd was developed
[15:24:55] <Reedy>	 They're also not on an ancient version these days
[15:25:24] <hexmode[m]>	 originally used it for editing blogs, but, obviously, you can use it for editing wikis
[15:25:50] * hexmode[m] is the old guy who likes to tell stories about the good ole days
[15:26:05] <Shisma>	 thanks, so I just have to look for `link[rel="EditURI"][type="application/rsd+xml"]` to find the api for most wikis
[15:26:20] <hexmode[m]>	 yes
[15:26:49] <hexmode[m]>	 probably just link+type would work
[15:27:58] <Shisma>	 great
[16:56:24] <Bukkit>	 How do I trace errors?
[16:56:42] <Reedy>	 !debug
[16:56:42] <wm-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging Also see https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_symptoms
[16:57:15] <Bukkit>	 Thanks!
[18:04:20] <NoCode_>	 Not sure what it was but I was having editor issues a while back. It somehow corrected itself because I get my errors now
[18:04:34] <NoCode_>	 Get no errors now.
[18:05:02] <NoCode_>	 Not sure what it was
[18:35:50] <Vaevictus>	 i'm trying to get QRLite extension working, and one of my data bits has a semicolon in it... is that supposed to be json or something? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QRLite
[18:36:08] <Vaevictus>	 i'm not sure how to escape it to get the data correct.
[18:47:47] <Vaevictus>	 oh, looks like it's a | that's causing the biggest problem
[18:49:47] <Vaevictus>	 so, {{#qrlite: stuff here containing a | ... more stuff }} ... but the | is getting seen as a deliniator for the tag
[18:55:21] <legoktm>	 Vaevictus: you can use {{!}} to escape a literal | character
[18:55:41] <legoktm>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Other
[18:57:38] <Vaevictus>	 cool, that's tough to google :D
[18:57:40] <Vaevictus>	 thanks
[18:59:44] <Vaevictus>	 hey, i got it.
[18:59:52] <Vaevictus>	 thanks!
[19:06:39] <legoktm>	 np :)
[20:05:16] <Bukkit>	 Hey, could someone help me with this error?
[20:05:21] <Bukkit>	 I'm confused about it
[20:07:15] <Bukkit>	 https://dpaste.org/UoD9
[20:07:20] <Bukkit>	 Trace is ther
[20:07:21] <Bukkit>	 rr
[20:07:23] <Bukkit>	 there*
[20:09:01] <bd808>	 Bukkit: your paste is missing the line that says what the actual error was. There is only a stack trace there showing that something went badly inside ObjectFactory, but not what.
[20:09:17] <Bukkit>	 Oh, the whole thing is needed?
[20:09:52] <Reedy>	 Yeah, we're not magic
[20:09:57] <Bukkit>	 https://dpaste.org/Gcq2
[20:10:29] <Lcawte>	 Reedy: Lies.
[20:11:01] <Bukkit>	 So you guys are magic?
[20:11:09] <Bukkit>	    /j
[20:13:12] <bd808>	 Bukkit: ok, so the PHP runtime could not find a class that was used in an ObjectFactory definition. That class should be part of the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser extension
[20:13:24] <Bukkit>	 Ah, alright
[20:13:56] <Bukkit>	 I downloaded the whole thing and put it into the file manager, so shouldn't that not be a problem?
[20:15:11] <Lcawte>	 src/Specials/SpecialCheckUser.php in recent versions.
[20:15:13] <bd808>	 Bukkit: *shrug* I see several steps for install listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser#Basic
[20:15:31] <Bukkit>	 Hm, might have missed one
[20:16:40] <bd808>	 That error message looks more like PHP being confused about the class loader paths than a database error or something like that. It could possibly be a mismatch of the extension version and the MediaWiki version too.
[20:17:39] <Bukkit>	 1.36.1 is master?
[20:19:14] <Bukkit>	 Do minor versions matter, or just major, because I installed 1.36 and not master
[20:19:27] <Bukkit>	 i mean patch and minor
[20:20:08] <Bukkit>	 s/minor/patch
[20:21:27] <bd808>	 the master branch of mediawiki/core.git is a 1.37.0 pre-release (1.37.0-mwf.14 was the last tagged version)
[20:22:17] <Bukkit>	 Yeah, so that means I have the most up to date extension
[20:22:23] <Bukkit>	 version
[20:25:35] <Bukkit>	 Ohhhh
[20:25:46] <Bukkit>	 > src/Specials/SpecialCheckUser.php in recent versions."
[20:25:50] <Bukkit>	 That's the issue
[20:26:21] <Bukkit>	 The file manager provided doesn't really do well with folders
[20:26:39] <Bukkit>	 Thanks
[20:30:36] <Guest55>	 Hi guys, is it possible for a given category to restrict publishing/editing articles and only publish them after a review?
[20:32:07] <Bukkit>	 Check out Extensions:FlaggedRevs (I think that's what it's called)
[20:40:06] <Bukkit>	 cries inside https://dpaste.org/ctPB
[20:40:28] <Guest55>	 Bukkit thank you, but the extension has a warning "Flagged Revisions is very clunky, complex and not recommended for production use, despite the "stable" tag. See phab:T185664."
[20:40:28] <stashbot>	 T185664: Code stewardship review: FlaggedRevs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T185664
[20:40:56] <Bukkit>	 Hm, there was another thing in the revs family
[20:41:24] <Bukkit>	 Approved Revs
[20:44:05] <Bukkit>	 That database should already be installed
[20:47:21] <Guest55>	 need to check this out, thank you
[20:48:58] <Bukkit>	 No problem :)