[04:28:28] <wctaiwan>	 Winston_Sung[m]: did you end up asking in Village Pump on zh?
[04:28:40] <wctaiwan>	 for the translation of widget
[08:33:57] <Mirghon>	 what extension is best if i want to create a 2nd version of my mediaWin in another language and handle both at a farm? extension:Interwiki or extension:MediaWikiFarm?
[10:26:19] <Mirghon>	 so...i tried copying the folder that cointains my working mediawiki installation into a subfolder and access index.php from there (an empty database is correctly linked in the LocalSettings.php). The site doesnt seem to be working though. What am I missing?
[10:47:44] <ashley>	 Mirghon: what do you mean "doesn't seem to be working"? what is happening? what isn't? what should happen? (also note that [[mw:Extension:Interwiki]] basically has nothing to do with wiki farms and the MediaWikiFarm ext. isn't well-maintained AFAIK; the whole topic of "how to set up a wiki farm" is...convoluted, and the documentation on MW.org is woefully outdated, as always)
[10:48:14] <Vulpix>	 Mirghon: If you created an empty database, you must run the installer (delete/rename LocalSetting first) 
[10:58:36] <Mirghon>	 the installer seems to be stuck on the "Welcome to MediaWiki!" screen
[11:01:04] <Mirghon>	 (the one that pos up after i selected the language, before you set up the DB connection
[16:51:31] <Amir1>	 !bash Pchelolo: We should throw away the entire extension. So please remove anything that doesn't work.
[16:51:31] <stashbot>	 Amir1: Stored quip at https://bash.toolforge.org/quip/AA_odn0Ba_6PSCT9i2_F
[17:00:32] <Knaxius>	 is there a way to rename my admin user?
[17:03:45] <CosmicAlpha>	 Reedy: can we please get https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/Nuke/+/742247 a C+2 and also a backport to REL1_35?
[17:55:28] <Knaxius>	 i think i got it, at least it seems logical. the logged in user cant use the rename extension on themselves
[18:08:55] <Knaxius>	 the wiki is really a great piece of work
[18:09:13] <Knaxius>	 since more than 10 years?
[19:24:08] <jfaxdora>	 I have a mediawiki server, installed from apt on a Debian server (running on DigitalOcean)
[19:24:20] <jfaxdora>	 I am struggling to set up short urls.
[19:24:41] <jfaxdora>	 I believe I have exhausted all the options detailed on the shorturls guide.
[19:25:15] <jfaxdora>	 To be honest, I'm not super familiar with the ins-and-outs of apache, so the guides explanations I don't really understand.
[19:25:39] <jfaxdora>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Short_URL/Apache
[19:26:28] <jfaxdora>	 So first recommendation is to edit ".htaccess" - I don't know what this file is
[19:26:50] <jfaxdora>	 Or where it would be kept in the directory structure, but I followed the guide and placed the file in random places.
[19:45:27] <se-sm-ca>	 jfaxdora: I believe the .htaccess file should be place in the apache root directory (like /var/www/html, whatever is specified in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[19:59:13] <jfaxdora>	 Hm, hasn't helped (with the two rewrite rules in it). I presently have LocalSettings.php configured wgScriptPath and wgArticlePath such that when browsing my wiki, it is attempting to reach the short urls, but it is 404ing.
[19:59:58] <jfaxdora>	 Another guide I attempted to follow now was this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Debian_or_Ubuntu#Pretty_URLs
[20:00:04] <jfaxdora>	 "To use /wiki/* instead of /wiki/index.php/* on Debian, follow the recommended short URL guide using '/mediawiki' as the script path instead of '/w' and placing the rewrites in /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/mediawiki.conf. "
[20:00:21] <jfaxdora>	 I added those rewrite rules to the end of mediawiki.conf, still nothing.
[20:03:11] <jfaxdora>	 I am restarting apache of course.
[20:15:53] <razzi>	 jfaxdora: I don't have an answer for you but I can commiserate as I set up a mediawiki instance last week and still haven't figured out how to get the /index.php/ out of the url
[20:18:00] <jfaxdora>	 Bad times.
[20:19:34] <moonmoon>	 jfaxdora: .htaccess would be placed in the website root, and will only take effect if your main apache conf is AllowOverride All (or more specific AllowOverride to enable rewrite rules)
[20:19:55] <moonmoon>	 doing it in conf should work as well, so let's focus on what you did in mediawiki.conf
[20:20:35] <moonmoon>	 jfaxdora: can you share your conf via a pastebin like https://dpaste.de ?
[20:21:57] <Bongo-Cat>	 How could I make a sidebar look different using .less?
[20:22:49] <moonmoon>	 same way you would using regular css
[20:23:06] <Bongo-Cat>	 LESS is CSS?
[20:23:25] <moonmoon>	 less is a superset of css and is compiled down to css by ResourceLoader
[20:23:50] <moonmoon>	 the main thing it gives you is the ability to "nest" styles to avoid having to re-type long chains
[20:24:34] <Bongo-Cat>	 How do you style a footer using CSS? Would it be md-ui.components.footer.less?
[20:24:44] <Bongo-Cat>	 well LESS.
[20:24:51] <moonmoon>	 are you writing a custom skin? If so, play around with it and see how things react
[20:25:04] <jfaxdora>	 This is the mediawiki.conf
[20:25:16] <jfaxdora>	 As you see I put rewrite rule frantically in multiple places
[20:25:44] <moonmoon>	 jfaxdora: can you give a link to the pastebin where you put the config? We don't magically see it here :)
[20:25:52] <jfaxdora>	 https://dpaste.org/g5UV
[20:25:54] <jfaxdora>	 O forgot to past
[20:26:16] <Bongo-Cat>	 Not making my own skin, per se. I'm just trying to fix a skin task.
[20:26:39] <moonmoon>	 jfaxdora: well remove the global rewriterules at the very bottom
[20:27:02] <jfaxdora>	 Okay.
[20:28:36] <moonmoon>	 what does /var/lib/mediawiki look like?
[20:28:57] <moonmoon>	 are the wiki files directly in there? are they in a subdirectory? if a subdirectory, what is that subdirectory named?
[20:29:36] <moonmoon>	 oh
[20:29:40] <moonmoon>	 also remove that Alias on line 1
[20:30:53] <jfaxdora>	 Okay
[20:30:58] <jfaxdora>	 And var lib mediawiki
[20:31:04] <jfaxdora>	 That exists, for sure
[20:31:12] <jfaxdora>	 Doing a full ls it's a bunch of symlinks mostly
[20:31:20] <jfaxdora>	 To files in /etc/mediawiki
[20:31:49] <jfaxdora>	 Is this where an htaccess goes...
[20:32:38] <moonmoon>	 can you dump `ls /var/lib/mediawiki/` into a pastebin somewhere?
[20:33:22] <moonmoon>	 it sounds like you're using a packaged version of mw which I'm not super experienced with layout-wise, so knowing how the files are structured is very helpful
[20:33:29] <moonmoon>	 (without knowing that I can't help you fix the rewrites)
[20:34:08] <Bongo-Cat>	 Ah, Linux I see.
[20:34:38] <jfaxdora>	 Here we are https://dpaste.org/RTQB
[20:35:32] <moonmoon>	 ok
[20:36:27] <jfaxdora>	 No hidden dotfiles
[20:37:10] <Bongo-Cat>	 Did you do ls -a?
[20:37:15] <moonmoon>	 not relevant
[20:37:24] <moonmoon>	 I just wanted to know if the wiki files were directly there or in a subdir
[20:37:29] <moonmoon>	 the above paste answered that :)
[20:37:31] <Bongo-Cat>	 Ah, alright
[20:37:56] <moonmoon>	 ok
[20:38:37] <moonmoon>	 one last question: jfaxdora: is /var/lib/mediawiki itself a symlink to somewhere else (e.g. /var/www/html/mediawiki)?
[20:39:27] <moonmoon>	 or wait, misreading the guide. Should be the other way around I think. /var/www/html/mediawiki should be a symlink to /var/lib/mediawiki
[20:39:47] <moonmoon>	 or if you don't want /mediawiki in your URLs and want to follow normal best practice, make /var/www/html/w a symlink to /var/lib/mediawiki
[20:39:49] <jfaxdora>	 It is a real directory.
[20:40:46] <legoktm[m]>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/Packages#Filesystem for reference. I have a TODO on documenting how to enable short/pretty URLs for the package.
[20:42:31] <jfaxdora>	 >I maintain packages of MediaWiki for Debian and Ubuntu
[20:42:35] <jfaxdora>	 Waw, celebrity encounter
[20:43:05] <moonmoon>	 jfaxdora: if your symlink is at /var/www/html/mediawiki, then copy/paste all of those RewriteRules into /var/www/html/.htaccess -- if it's /var/www/html/w then put the RewriteRules in the same place but change %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/mediawiki/index.php to %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/w/index.php
[20:43:21] <moonmoon>	 and remove all of the rewrites (and the alias on line 1) from mediawiki.conf
[20:44:08] <moonmoon>	 if you would rather have them in mediawiki.conf then they should be inside of a (newly-created) <Directory /var/www/html></Directory> block
[20:44:46] <moonmoon>	 on the LocalSettings.php side ensure you have $wgArticlePath = '/wiki/$1';
[20:48:19] <jfaxdora>	 Okay, doing this... treading carefully.
[21:00:35] <jfaxdora>	 Still not working
[21:02:01] <moonmoon>	 what does work vs doesn't work. can you load your wiki at all just without pretty urls?
[21:05:23] <jfaxdora>	 Yes, I can browse my wiki fine - thought presently, trying to work through all this, my LocalSettings.php has the wgArticlePath configured such that it is attempting to reach the short urls when I click an article but it 404s.
[21:05:40] <jfaxdora>	 Otherwise, if I revert that, everything is fine.
[21:06:44] <jfaxdora>	 Might be worth mentioning I got SSL set up with letsencrypt, so I have configured this install in successful ways.
[21:08:02] <moonmoon>	 did you restart apache since making all of those changes?
[21:08:32] <jfaxdora>	 Yes
[21:10:16] <jfaxdora>	 I might leave this to another day..
[21:10:37] <moonmoon>	 I'm mostly out of ideas of where to look myself without actually going into the server and poking around
[21:11:42] <moonmoon>	 only thing I can think of is that /var/www/html is AllowOverride None
[21:11:55] <moonmoon>	 which you'd discover in the main site conf rather than mediawiki.conf
[21:12:29] <moonmoon>	 (if that is the case, change it to AllowOverride All)
[21:15:14] <jfaxdora>	 Oh
[21:15:32] <razzi>	 I wonder: is there a simple "hello world" RewriteRule I can use to see if those are taking effect at all?
[21:15:35] <jfaxdora>	 I just went hunting for AllowOverrides in a bunch of files and found some that were set to None.
[21:15:40] <jfaxdora>	 Changed them to all.
[21:15:44] <jfaxdora>	 Now it's working...
[21:15:52] <razzi>	 Something like "RewriteRule testurl /" to see if it redirect
[21:16:08] <moonmoon>	 the only ones that would matter would be the ones controlling /var/www/html; others may want to legitimately be set to None for security reasons
[21:16:39] <moonmoon>	 (if you are the only user on the server those security reasons are pretty moot, however)
[21:17:52] <jfaxdora>	 Hmm, well two configs seem dodgy: Directory / and Directory /usr/share
[21:18:07] <moonmoon>	 I'd keep / as None
[21:18:23] <moonmoon>	 that one is there by default to say "no you aren't allowed to traverse up to the root"
[21:19:51] <jfaxdora>	 Setting back / to None, everything still in tact, so that's good.
[21:20:21] <jfaxdora>	 This file bu the way is /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[21:21:04] <moonmoon>	 yep
[21:21:31] <jfaxdora>	 A debian comment in the file suggests /usr/share is fine
[21:21:51] <jfaxdora>	 (To keep outside the security model)
[21:21:54] <jfaxdora>	 Thank you
[21:22:19] <jfaxdora>	 I plan to make my wiki public some time, with some more work...
[21:22:28] <moonmoon>	 best of luck!
[21:26:54] <Knaxius>	 jfaxdora: from where did you take your rewriting rule credentials?
[21:27:34] <jfaxdora>	 .htaccess in /var/www/html
[21:27:51] <Knaxius>	 from which docs i mean
[21:28:40] <jfaxdora>	 Oh right, it was from this https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Short_URL/Apache#.htaccess_source_code
[21:29:18] <Knaxius>	 did you see the comment that mentions that the page needs work?
[21:30:01] <Knaxius>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Wkl8a45bfljf034y
[21:30:27] <Knaxius>	 if we get more people to help we can do this
[21:30:28] <jfaxdora>	 Yeah... well, that template doesn't tell anything that isn't evident to me :P
[21:30:45] <Knaxius>	 yes :) wanna help?
[21:31:10] <jfaxdora>	 The page is a mess, if you were to ask my opinion, I kept my mouth zipped cause I know the wiki spirit to take initiative.
[21:32:41] <jfaxdora>	 If I found opportunity to reproduce all these steps, on Debian, from a tarball, etc, I might rewrite.