[00:55:39] <MortimerHoughton>	 I'm having difficulty accessing websites running MediaWiki software using w3m browser
[00:56:51] <MortimerHoughton>	 I get the error: HTTP/1.1 426 Upgrade Required
[00:58:40] <AntiComposite>	 try using https
[00:58:51] <MortimerHoughton>	 I do, exclusively
[00:59:17] <AntiComposite>	 the webserver disagrees
[00:59:57] <MortimerHoughton>	 https://paste.rs/p7i
[01:00:22] <MortimerHoughton>	 that shows I am using https
[01:01:00] <MortimerHoughton>	 this too: https://paste.rs/mVt
[01:02:21] <MortimerHoughton>	 additionally, I have no issues connecting to any other https website.  It is only mediawiki powered websites
[01:02:22] <AntiComposite>	 your browser may not support TLS 1.2 or better, which is required by Wikimedia sites
[01:02:27] <AntiComposite>	 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/HTTPS/Browser_Recommendations
[01:03:04] <MortimerHoughton>	 that is not true either, sorry
[01:04:08] <MortimerHoughton>	 w3m capabilities for ssl include TLSv1.2 and TLSv1.3.  I believe it uses OpenSSL for this capacity
[01:04:46] <MortimerHoughton>	 Again, there are no issues connecting to other websites with https
[01:05:14] <AntiComposite>	 give https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/viewMyClient.html a try, see what it says
[01:07:35] <MortimerHoughton>	 It says that TLS 1.3 is supported "Yes"
[01:09:13] <MortimerHoughton>	 Here is the page: https://paste.rs/Ei2
[01:12:31] <AntiComposite>	 hrm, cipher support looks good
[01:14:40] <AntiComposite>	 aha, it's related to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T271421#7672538
[01:16:21] <AntiComposite>	 it looks like part of our infrastructure that is being tested does not support HTTP 1.0 well
[01:21:59] <MortimerHoughton>	 So HTTP 1.0 isn't being supported or not supported well
[01:22:46] <Guest58>	 ive been numerous been hacked out my phone via email ect due to fact i have no idea about this stuff barely srated with computers two moths and stuff i know is from dealing with this myself would like some help on my appoinets and all info on how to incounter all my information bavk
[01:23:35] <AntiComposite>	 I believe the intention is to continue supporting HTTP 1.0, once the correct configuration is figured out
[01:24:03] <Guest58>	 i would like some feed back on how to retrieve its really tricky also a bit fun
[01:24:43] <MortimerHoughton>	 Thanks for your assistance
[01:25:12] <AntiComposite>	 no problem
[01:25:31] <Guest58>	 how would i know what to do on this situation i only used my credit karma it said i had money on my bank and was just curious hence this is my first time with softwear and any and all of such
[01:25:35] <AntiComposite>	 I'm a little used to people complaining that their iPhone 4 can't connect anymore, which is why I jumped to HTTPS
[01:26:03] <AntiComposite>	 that change was a while ago now though
[01:26:14] <MortimerHoughton>	 No problem.  That was what I suspected (and tested) at first too
[01:26:14] <Guest58>	 so HTTP is the key
[01:28:30] <AntiComposite>	 Guest58: sorry, but we can't help you with that here
[01:31:08] <Guest58>	 im not complaining just would like to know and educate myself about this softwear   ect  and if i can ill be sure to get it done myself thank you also its all connected to my softwwear in my surroundin area is it fbi or apple or any company
[01:31:43] <Guest58>	 is it fbi apple or any other compantys u know of
[16:54:04] <Ankit18gupta2001>	 Can anyone help me here with wikimedia Library-card-platform?
[16:54:53] <Reedy>	 Andre did respond to you on Telegram...
[16:55:29] <andre>	 Ankit18gupta2001: You already received a reply?
[16:56:03] <Ankit18gupta2001>	 nope. I havent
[16:56:58] <andre>	 Ankit18gupta2001, let me repost here then:
[16:56:59] <andre>	 <andre> Ankit18gupta: Hi and welcome, do you have a specific question? Please also see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_Developers#Some_general_communication_tips - thanks.
[16:59:22] <Ankit18gupta2001>	 Yes. I was working on a issure with ticket T300374. I had trouble resolving it. I needed help.
[16:59:23] <stashbot>	 T300374: Specifically note that user's email address may be shared with external organisation in application form for EMAIL partners - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T300374
[17:00:00] <andre>	 Ankit18gupta2001, then please feel free to ask for help
[17:02:18] <Ankit18gupta2001>	 I have worked with Django but I cant understand adding extra context. I have searched it on google and read django documentation but it didnt help.
[17:02:37] <Ankit18gupta2001>	 i needed help on how to do?
[17:03:50] <Ankit18gupta2001>	 I am a new contributer
[17:04:19] <perryprog>	 Ankit18gupta2001, you're going to be a bit more specific about what is currently blocking you from resolving the task.
[17:04:55] <andre>	 Ankit18gupta2001: Please read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_Developers#Some_general_communication_tips as I've pointed out a few times by now. Third bullet point. Thanks.
[17:04:57] <perryprog>	 Ankit18gupta2001, for example, "I don't know where to find the place to modify the terms of use"
[17:05:48] <Ankit18gupta2001>	 i couldnt understand on how to access partner name in forms.py
[20:47:11] <kj7rrv>	 Is there a way to hide the logo and prevent the wiki name from wrapping on Timeless?
[20:50:55] <kj7rrv>	 7,99:99,99 Is there a way to hide the logo and prevent the wiki name from wrapping on Timeless?
[21:05:34] <perryprog>	 kj7rrv can you send a screenshot?
[21:05:43] <perryprog>	 of the name wrapping, that is
[21:06:42] <perryprog>	 and you can hide the logo by adding #p-logo { display: none; } to your timeless-specific style sheet
[21:49:49] <protondonor>	 Hey all, what does it mean when I get "MediaWiki-API-Error: help" from hitting api.php in the browser?
[21:51:49] <AntiComposite>	 do you get any error text along with that?
[21:52:30] <AntiComposite>	 in the body of the response
[21:52:40] <Reedy>	 Isn't that how we used to do it in ooold MW?
[21:54:47] <protondonor>	 No error text as far as I can see. Here's an example: https://www.wikipathways.org/api.php
[21:55:19] <AntiComposite>	 you were right Reedy, MediaWiki 1.13.1
[21:55:34] <Reedy>	 heh
[21:55:42] <Reedy>	 That's working as expected
[21:55:46] <Reedy>	 But that MW is very very old
[21:55:58] <protondonor>	 Lol, I was wondering if that's what the problem was. Thanks!
[21:55:59] <AntiComposite>	 you get the error header telling you that you're getting the API help pages instead of a response
[21:56:17] <protondonor>	 That also explains why I couldn't find it in the current error docs
[21:56:21] <Reedy>	 The API probably should work fine
[21:56:24] <AntiComposite>	 (because the help pages were implemented as an error)
[22:00:59] <kj7rrv>	 perryprog: I'm on my phone rn and it only happens on desktop but the wiki is https://pbarcwiki.kj7rrv.com
[22:22:26] <perryprog>	 kj7rrv hm, I don't see it myself but it's probably related to this bug: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T292843
[22:22:26] <perryprog>	 You can add the line  #p-logo { display: none; }  to https://pbarcwiki.kj7rrv.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Timeless.css to remove the logo
[22:25:26] <kj7rrv>	 Yes, it's that bug
[22:25:34] <kj7rrv>	 Okay thanks, I'll do that on the css
[22:26:57] <kj7rrv>	 Is there a css fix for T292843?
[22:26:58] <stashbot>	 T292843: Site Name Overflowing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T292843
[22:28:00] <kj7rrv>	 Or is it something I could contribute a fix for?
[22:35:27] <perryprog>	 kj7rrv no promises but you could try #p-logo-text a { white-space: nowrap; }
[22:36:37] <perryprog>	 it's currently in the backlog but you can always poke Isarra and see if they have any thoughts
[22:38:53] <kj7rrv>	 That fixed it thank you
[22:39:02] <perryprog>	 Nice
[22:39:04] <kj7rrv>	 Does being in the backlog mean nobody is working on it?
[22:39:32] <perryprog>	 In part, yeah
[22:40:14] <kj7rrv>	 Okay
[22:40:31] <kj7rrv>	 If I submitted a patch could it be merged?
[22:40:56] <perryprog>	 For sure!
[22:42:05] <kj7rrv>	 Okay cool!
[22:42:24] <kj7rrv>	 It looks like it should just require adding that line to a css file?
[22:44:21] <perryprog>	 yup
[22:45:10] <kj7rrv>	 Okay cool!
[22:50:11] <kj7rrv>	 Where would I send the patch?
[22:53:37] <perryprog>	 kj7rrv, that would be on gerrit: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/project:mediawiki%252Fskins%252FTimeless
[22:53:48] <kj7rrv>	 Okay thank you
[22:54:08] <perryprog>	 There's a guide/tutorial thing here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Tutorial
[22:54:35] <kj7rrv>	 Oh okay thank you!
[22:55:09] <kj7rrv>	 So if I submit a patch and it's accepted it will be included in the netmxt release?
[22:55:17] <kj7rrv>	 s/netmxt/next/g
[22:55:39] <perryprog>	 uhhhhhhhhhhh probably?
[22:55:56] <perryprog>	 I don't really know what the release workflow is for skins
[22:56:14] <kj7rrv>	 Okay np
[22:59:21] <AntiComposite>	 It would be released with the next major release (1.38, due to be released in May 2022)
[23:00:53] <kj7rrv>	 Okay thank you AntiComposite 
[23:01:11] <kj7rrv>	 So until then I would just leave the css fix, and after the update I could remove it?
[23:02:30] <perryprog>	 Yup
[23:02:58] <AntiComposite>	 it could also be included in a minor release of the current stable version, if requested https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Backporting_fixes#Backports_to_stable/supported_release
[23:04:30] <kj7rrv>	 Oh okay
[23:04:40] <kj7rrv>	 Who would request it?
[23:05:59] <AntiComposite>	 pretty much anyone, especially if they'd benefit from the fix
[23:09:22] <kj7rrv>	 Oh okay
[23:10:14] <kj7rrv>	 Could I request it if I write the patch? It would benefit my wiki, although the custom css workaround is working fine
[23:11:21] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[23:11:32] <Reedy>	 Backporting bug fixes should be fairly non contraversial
[23:28:09] <kj7rrv>	 Could I request it if I write the patch? It would benefit my wiki, although the custom css workaround is working fine
[23:28:30] <kj7rrv>	 (sorry if that double sent, my connection dropped right after the first time I sent it
[23:28:31] <kj7rrv>	 )
[23:34:52] <AntiComposite>	 yes, you can