[00:51:34] Uh-oh [00:51:42] Mediawiki.org now has the fixed width vector? [00:53:05] looks like it [00:56:59] I still see old. [00:57:05] When logged out [00:58:28] Izno : I use Monobook [00:58:38] Which is part of the reason why I did not fight this terrible vector change, it doesn't affect me [00:58:42] oh, now I see new [00:58:49] on recent changes [00:58:52] but not the main page? [00:59:02] Yeah, the main page must be cached [00:59:07] I was on No-JavaScript notes and got the fixed one [00:59:08] msut be [00:59:11] Any nonexistent page is also that [00:59:23] Well, at least people on the main page will get a good experience before they go straight to hell [01:00:39] It's a good change for readers. [01:00:46] No.... [01:00:47] And 99% of visitors are readers only [01:00:54] Yes [01:01:10] Wikipedia was the one website that didn't have fixed width because they weren't trying to force ads on you now that is going away too [01:01:21] I just hope it says off English Wikipedia as long as possible [01:01:29] I'm not going to get into an argument with you though in what is ostensibly a support channel. [01:01:47] Oh, it is a support channel [01:01:50] I thought it was a general purpose channel [01:02:10] Topic for #mediawiki is: MediaWiki support [01:03:20] Oh [01:03:36] No chatroom then :/ [01:03:52] AntiComposite, what skin are you using? [04:38:17] you can chat about general MediaWiki stuff in here, just make sure to make room for people who need support [08:43:08] Naleksuh: there is a direct relationship between paragraph width, line spacing, and font size, and variable width layouts break this relationship [08:44:10] this is why newspapers use narrow columns and books printed in ‘landscape’ format use two columns [08:47:02] compare https://i.koumakan.jp/2022-02-11/1644569118.png | https://i.koumakan.jp/2022-02-11/1644569178.png | https://i.koumakan.jp/2022-02-11/1644569207.png [08:47:53] and the new Vector: https://i.koumakan.jp/2022-02-11/1644569262.png [08:49:23] you want the reader to be able to follow the lines, and when they are too long or too tightly spaced this becomes impossible [08:56:08] I'm feeling a bit of eyestrain with the new design. Maybe the excess of blank space on both sides with the white bakground is causing it, while the old "light blue" sidebar on Vector and lines with dark text was attenuating it [09:06:07] yes the massive ammounts of white [09:06:24] and it feels like the top banner has broken the page and pushed it out [09:06:38] so the content just randomly sits in a white area too large for it [10:06:16] Vulpix: I guess I am not affected thanks to my browser window being always set to 1280px haha [10:07:14] https://i.koumakan.jp/2022-02-11/1644574022.png looks like this [10:15:44] I'm not looking at articles, just normal RC and diffs, but somehow I feel the overall page is a lot brighter even with all the underlined links and colors https://snipboard.io/sXzk0H.jpg [10:17:22] hmm [10:17:43] I noticed the original body background color is a bit more white-ish than original vector, and its a very tiny strip now compared to the old sidebar [10:17:56] But that has an easy solution with a bit of personal css [10:19:02] old Vector has a more clear area separation [10:19:18] s/more clear/clearer/ [10:20:18] https://hostr.co/opxQs8Npg7IG 1920x1080 [10:26:29] I've tuned it a bit https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Ciencia_Al_Poder/vector-2022.css [11:08:01] Hi. I'm a bit worried.... There is an ancient article on my wiki, where there is no content shown for any revision, but if I hit edit and preview it shows the page [11:09:52] I noticed when I was trying to transclude it to a page among with other log entries and the page with the transclusions was showing just empty. Then I managed to narrow it down to https://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/User:Jukeboksi/Blog/December2003 being the problem case (That's the one where no content for any revision though the history shows the article has 4+kB [11:23:37] Iamthehuman1: That's interesting... Try to edit the page, and hit "view changes", A phantom word appears that is missing from the previous (but actually current) version [11:24:00] It has a strange character on it. I guess that character may be breaking something when rendering the page [11:25:06] Vulpix: yes, this is the same as I observed. The name is a German name so it is like an 'ä' or 'ö' probably [11:30:32] Vulpix: any suggestions what I should do about it? I was thinking of looking up the correct name and doing an edit and hope all is fixed [11:50:19] The correct name is "Schallaböck" [11:51:57] Have you tried null editing the page? [11:52:04] Not yet [11:53:36] The fact that MediaWiki is displaying a diff on null editing is concerning. Maybe MediaWiki detects that character as invalid now and it's sanitizing it on save, but that was not the case on earlier versions and MediaWiki simply refuses to render the page with that character [11:55:06] I did the null edit and after that I corrected the name, removing the weird character [11:56:09] The page displays correctly now [11:56:40] It may be worth reporting it as a bug [11:57:15] You may need to investigate where MediaWiki is refusing to render the page, though. Maybe you can get an error message or similar in logs [11:59:06] Vulpix: More info, found another instance of same behaviour and the culprit is the same instead of letter 'ö' there is some unknown character in the diff if I edit and preview https://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/User:Jukeboksi/Blog/March2004 [12:00:06] Maybe the problem is some text corruption due to exporting/importing a database dump with incompatible charsets [12:01:05] that would sound reasonable way that this happened. I have recovered from a MariaDB backup database a few times [12:02:38] so it would sound likely that this exhibits on every single page where a letter 'ö' with some encoding used to exist ... hmmmhhh... [12:06:20] found a third one where this exhibits ... letters with umlauts being messed up again [13:43:09] On API, "Set-Cookie" is now "set-cookie" and I have to fix this on my scripts, seriously :( [14:21:55] Frakir: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5258977/are-http-headers-case-sensitive/5259004 [19:02:59] I'm having a weird issue. I have a line on a wiki page that is: `List [[Category:Player Characters|Player Characters]] appearing in the session here.` - however, the link is not displayed. It shows up as "List appearing in the session here." The linked page does exist, and I've tried creating it both typing manually, as well as using the WikiEditor link creation form just to make sure there wasn't some kind of typo. Any ideas why [19:02:59] this would happen? [19:03:40] (I've also attempted it with an underscore in `Category:Player_Characters` as well with the same result) [19:04:53] NerdyAnarchist[m: sounds like that's adding the article to that category, try [[:Category:Player Characters|...]] [19:31:15] NerdyAnarchist[m: what he said, that adds the page to the category, it's different from merely linking to a category page [19:32:01] I didn't see anyone say anything.....is the bridge malfunctioning? [19:32:39] 21:04:52 NerdyAnarchist[m: sounds like that's adding the article to that category, try [[:Category:Player Characters|...]] [19:32:49] hopefully it went through this time [19:33:02] It did, thanks [19:33:56] Also, that fixed the issue. Thanks x2 [19:34:06] ;)