[01:21:18] <RhinosF1>	 Jdlrobson: hi, could https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/commit/3e6a240c4852f120ab787c45b922d36afa9a3869 have broken visual editor
[01:21:53] <RhinosF1>	 we've had a few users for Citizen complain about VE at Miraheze timing with when that was deployed
[01:22:23] <RhinosF1>	 https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/issues/435
[06:50:43] <ryzenda>	 spamprotectiontext On my wiki, i triggered spam blacklist when trying to post something, and MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist is blank
[06:51:01] <ryzenda>	 I temporarily disabled the SpamBlacklist extension and then it worked
[07:19:55] <RhinosF1>	 I think default config includes Wikimedia meta's
[07:20:03] <RhinosF1>	 ryzenda: ^
[07:20:05] <ryzenda>	 After I grant: "In order to complete your request, Citation bot needs permission to perform the following actions on your behalf on all projects of this site:" how do I remove the grant?
[07:20:53] <RhinosF1>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:OAuthManageMyGrants
[07:20:59] <RhinosF1>	 or on whichever wiki
[07:24:15] <ryzenda>	 RhinosF1, Thanks. Where can I find a link to that navigating MediaWiki site? For example on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/
[07:24:49] <RhinosF1>	 ryzenda: to what?
[07:25:20] <ryzenda>	 I don't see it listed on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages
[07:25:37] <ryzenda>	 So I can remember where to find it next time. I'll probably forget memorizing the URL path.
[07:26:31] <ryzenda>	 oh, I see "manage connected applications"
[07:26:36] <ryzenda>	 that's the one
[07:27:06] <RhinosF1>	 yes that
[08:27:57] <ryzenda>	 Page https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Improving_URL_citations_on_Wikimedia links to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Citation_tools%7C (with %7C at the end) for link in "For more, see Help:Citation_tools"
[08:40:05] <Vulpix>	 Fixed
[10:15:35] <AnnoyingOrange24>	 Does anyone have experience with SharedDB for users? I'm having difficulty setting one up.
[10:35:01] <AnnoyingOrange>	 If anyone has any idea about how to solve this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Wrx7a03lq7pk4xhy would be appreciated :)
[10:48:44] <Vulpix>	 AnnoyingOrange: Your error message gives no details. Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; in LocalSettings.php and try again to get a more descriptive error message
[10:52:25] <AnnoyingOrange>	 @vulpix I get this: https://dpaste.org/DW9c
[10:52:59] <Vulpix>	 Looks like a permission error
[10:54:09] <p858snake>	 "Error 1142: SELECT command denied to user 'wiki2'@'localhost' for table 'mwbj_actor' (localhost)" would probably be your issue
[10:54:43] <p858snake>	 check that your wiki2 user has the correct permissions/password
[11:03:31] <AnnoyingOrange>	 How do I ensure that it has the correct permissions? It looks fine in cPanel?
[11:22:52] <AnnoyingOrange>	 Okay, I've been able to grant the users, but now when I try to log in, I'm getting the error that the action has been cancelled to protect against hijacking?
[11:32:08] <Vulpix>	 AnnoyingOrange: See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug/Login_problems
[15:26:04] <Kizule>	 Hi, I hope you are doing fine.
[15:26:07] <Kizule>	 I have a question. :)
[15:26:32] <Kizule>	 I'm upgrading one wiki from MediaWiki 1.29 to the latest 1.37. But I'm not doing it directly from 1.29 to 1.37, but in steps.
[15:26:42] <Kizule>	 i did an upgrade from 1.29 to 1.31 and it is working fine.
[15:26:54] <Kizule>	 Now, on which version I should upgrade from 1.31 to?
[15:27:02] <Kizule>	 1.34 or 1.35
[15:28:31] <Reedy>	 You should be fine going to 1.37 from 1.29
[15:29:50] <Kizule>	 I'm asking because of actors.
[15:30:28] <Kizule>	 I don't want to get the wiki broken again.
[15:33:27] <Kizule>	 Reedy: Sorry, if you responded, I wasn't able to see your answer.
[15:33:42] <Kizule>	 On my last message about actors.
[15:33:55] <Reedy>	 There wasn't much to reply to
[15:33:58] <Reedy>	 The answer is still the same
[15:34:03] <Reedy>	 Upgrade is in theory supported
[15:34:20] <Reedy>	 If it isn't going to work across multple versions, it probably wouldn't going up in steps either
[15:34:57] <Kizule>	 Thanks, I'll do it directly, but I'll generate backup just in case. Thank you Reedy!
[15:35:00] <Kizule>	 Have a nice day!
[17:12:16] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Hi all
[18:06:04] <Guest47>	 Hi
[18:08:59] <Guest47>	 Mediawiki vector skin help please
[18:09:10] <Guest47>	 Ho to add custom button menu
[18:09:52] <Guest47>	 Like page besides
[18:16:14] <Guest47>	 andre
[18:16:17] <Guest47>	 Here
[18:16:23] <Guest47>	 @andre
[18:16:24] <moonmoon>	 add how? via an extension?
[18:16:33] <moonmoon>	 via javascript?
[18:17:14] <Guest47>	 You mean victor.js
[18:17:44] <Guest47>	 But I'm can't find Victor.js
[18:18:50] <moonmoon>	 if you want to do it via javascript, it's MediaWiki:Vector.js (check your spelling) for site-wide changes or User:Yourusername/vector.js for things specific to your account
[18:19:04] <moonmoon>	 otherwise you can do it via a js page rolled into a Gadget if the Gadgets extension is installed
[18:21:25] <Guest47>	 Hi
[18:21:28] <Guest47>	 https://www.wikidoc.org/index.php/The_WikiDoc_Living_Textbook_of_Anesthesiology
[18:21:53] <Guest47>	 Can you see page button besides home button
[18:21:55] <Guest47>	 How to add this
[18:22:30] <Guest47>	 moonmoon I went to add this can you give me this script
[18:22:50] <moonmoon>	 Page is there by default in vector, although the exact name of the tab will vary by the page's namespace
[18:23:04] <moonmoon>	 the Home one there is something custom, and I'm not sure how they added it
[18:23:26] <moonmoon>	 it looks like they performed a number of customizations on the skin itself
[18:24:14] <Guest47>	 Yeah
[18:25:41] <Guest47>	 https://en.wikicyclopedia.xyz/wiki/Main_Page
[18:25:49] <Guest47>	 I'm same customize
[18:25:54] <Guest47>	 On my wiki
[18:26:11] <Guest47>	 But I'm can't add home button
[18:28:24] <Guest47>	 moonmoon Can you tell me how I can add this button
[18:36:52] <Guest47>	 Hi
[21:09:13] <ryzenda>	 I'm investigating the "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data." messages I get, testing in my dev mediawiki enironment with $wgSessionCacheType = CACHE_ACCEL; (APCu) and glancing at the output from the apc.php script (from https://pecl.php.net/package/APCu) mentioned in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Performance_tuning
[21:09:41] <ryzenda>	 I just edited a post, and got that message,and glanced at the output of apc.php script and I am confused why that error messsage is showing up.
[21:10:06] <ryzenda>	 Free: 124.8 MBytes (97.5%)	 Hits: 3854 (60.8%) 	 Used: 3.2 MBytes (2.5%)	 Misses: 2490 (39.2%)
[21:10:20] <ryzenda>	 that is from a refresh of apc.php right after the error
[21:13:19] <ryzenda>	 Searching for "session" in the "User Cache Entries" page, I see 1 match: 1 hit	744 size	2022/03/17 14:11:39 last accessed	2022/03/17 14:11:38 last modified	2022/03/17 14:11:38 created at	3599 seconds timeout
[21:15:34] <ryzenda>	 Cache Information	Cached Variables	272 ( 1.5 MBytes)	Hits	610
[21:15:34] <ryzenda>	 Misses	346	Request Rate (hits, misses)	68.29 cache requests/second	Hit Rate	43.57 cache requests/second	Miss Rate	24.71 cache requests/second	Insert Rate	20.14 cache requests/second	Cache full count	0
[21:21:35] <ryzenda>	 Debugging in mediawiki-1.37.1/includes/EditPage.php I see the error message is coming from line 4059 as stored in the $note variable because this condition is evaluated as true: ( $this->mTriedSave && !$this->mTokenOk )
[21:23:22] <ryzenda>	 During error, $this->mTriedSave equals true and $this->mTokenOk equals false
[21:27:49] <ryzenda>	 Same values at the very beginning of the getPreviewText() function call. I shall try to find what is calling this function 
[21:28:29] <moonmoon>	 ryzenda: well the problem is thankfully easy
[21:28:34] <moonmoon>	 you identified it yourself :)
[21:28:38] <moonmoon>	  $wgSessionCacheType = CACHE_ACCEL;
[21:28:40] <moonmoon>	 don't do that
[21:28:55] <moonmoon>	 apcu is not persistent enough to act as a session cache
[21:29:02] <moonmoon>	 either use memcached/redis, or use the database
[21:32:25] <moonmoon>	 if your php process restarts on each request (such as fastcgi), or it just restarts after a period of time, or your server reboots, etc. you'll lose all of your session data. Which is terrible for a production wiki even if there wasn't a potential bug lurking around the session handling
[21:33:26] <ryzenda>	 I am using a shared webhosting environment and it does not seem possible to use memcached or redis, and I can't afford to pay for an environment to run those servers at this time, so I'm trying to find an optimal way to work with the environment that I have.
[21:34:08] <ryzenda>	 but I think I understand what you mean re: CACHE_ACCEL. I didn't realize that the data is not persistent enough.
[21:34:14] <moonmoon>	 CACHE_DB then for sessions
[21:34:36] <ryzenda>	 I was hoping to figure out a way to identify why the data is not persisting
[21:34:37] <moonmoon>	 definitely use CACHE_ACCEL for your MainCacheType, but it's very unsuitable for sessions imo
[21:34:53] <moonmoon>	 it's a shared hosting environment, they're probably killing your php processes on you after a period of inactivity
[21:35:00] <moonmoon>	 which also kills your cache
[21:39:15] <ryzenda>	 Yep. I see the php process is defunct 30 seconds after the request