[02:23:09] <zulc22>	 hey i'm trying to set up the visual editor and it says before 1.35 i need to set up parsoid, but i'm on 1.37 and its complaining about parsoid not being set up
[02:47:06] <moonmoon>	 you don't need a separate parsoid instance on 1.37; it comes bundled
[02:47:47] <moonmoon>	 can you upload your VisualEditor config to https://dpaste.org ? (copy/paste just the VE-related bits from LocalSettings.php)
[03:31:49] <zulc22>	 theres no config at all
[03:32:13] <zulc22>	 *no manual config i did other than importing the ext
[03:32:14] <zulc22>	 wfLoadExtension('VisualEditor');
[03:34:03] <moonmoon>	 ok; what's the specific error message you are receiving?
[03:34:06] <moonmoon>	 is your wiki private?
[03:34:12] <moonmoon>	 (as in, is a login required to view pages)
[03:34:20] <zulc22>	 a login is not required to view pages
[03:34:27] <zulc22>	 however registrations are closed
[03:34:42] <zulc22>	 Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 500)
[03:34:47] <moonmoon>	 that shouldn't matter; just the default VE setup does not work with wikis where read access is locked down
[03:35:01] <moonmoon>	 ok, do you have error logging enabled? If so, go check those
[03:35:13] <moonmoon>	 500 means some error is being thrown in the backend
[03:35:39] <zulc22>	 where do the errors get logged if error_reporting is -1?
[03:37:03] <moonmoon>	 wherever you configured log_errors to point to
[03:38:10] <moonmoon>	 but you'll probably want the mediawiki error log since it'll include more details, so check $wgDebugLogFile (define it to point somewhere if it isn't set)
[03:39:01] <moonmoon>	 that log will fill up quickly with that configuration so turn it off again after you've confirmed it logged the request with the error in it
[03:40:58] <zulc22>	 http://ix.io/3UA5
[03:41:55] <moonmoon>	 interesting
[03:42:04] <moonmoon>	 did you download the correct version of VisualEditor?
[03:42:34] <moonmoon>	 or I guess a better question is "how did you download VisualEditor"?
[03:42:45] <zulc22>	 it came with my mediawiki .tar.gz
[03:44:05] <zulc22>	 (mediawiki-1.37.2.tar.gz)
[03:47:05] <moonmoon>	 hmm
[03:47:13] <moonmoon>	 what other extensions do you have installed
[03:51:35] <moonmoon>	 zulc22: so the error seems to be related to either some other extension you are using, or perhaps you have raw HTML editing enabled
[03:52:52] <zulc22>	 i have html enabled
[03:52:55] <moonmoon>	 that'd be why
[03:53:17] <zulc22>	 a lot of basic things i have to do in html for some reason
[03:53:20] <moonmoon>	 VE only works with wiki markup, so if you're using any HTML tags that are disallowed by regular wiki markup, it'll break
[03:53:28] <zulc22>	 like hover over, lists, etc......
[03:53:35] <zulc22>	 no its allowed
[03:53:40] <zulc22>	 "allowed"?
[03:53:45] <moonmoon>	 sorry, I meant do you have $wgRawHtml enabled
[03:53:48] <zulc22>	 no
[03:54:02] <moonmoon>	 ok then disregard everything I said :)
[03:54:11] <zulc22>	 but i AM using html tags in places that on other mediawiki sites they would have a way to do it with wikitext
[03:54:22] <zulc22>	 if wikitext is what that markup is called
[03:54:23] <moonmoon>	 (VE doesn't work when that particular thing is enabled, because that allows you to do stuff like add in <script> tags and the like)
[03:54:52] <moonmoon>	 wiki markup includes some common HTML tags like <div>, etc.
[03:54:58] <moonmoon>	 those are fine and supported
[03:55:10] <moonmoon>	 so let's see if it's an extension?
[03:55:25] <moonmoon>	 try creating a brand new page with VE rather than editing an existing one: does it work?
[06:03:55] <zulc22>	 oh sorry for not looking at irc
[06:03:56] <zulc22>	 let me try
[06:04:36] <zulc22>	 it does!
[06:49:59] <Remilia>	 am looking at the Math extension since SimpleMathJax seems EOL/abandoned and the page says it uses WMF's instance by default, does it actually mean the wiki I am hosting can render math via WMF's Mathoid instance?
[06:50:18] <Remilia>	 if so, that is awfully nice
[06:50:33] * Remilia has no desire to spin up node again
[06:50:44] <TimStarling>	 yes
[06:51:07] <Remilia>	 thank you
[06:51:28] <Remilia>	 now I just need to figure out what is wrong with SyntaxHighlight on PHP 8
[08:40:06] <akoopal>	 hmm, bumped into https://www.wikimatrix.org/ and noticed the information for mediawiki is rather outdated
[08:45:31] <Vulpix>	 https://www.wikimatrix.org/show/mediawiki
[08:46:27] <Vulpix>	 > Version: 1.32.2 - Last Release Date: 2019-06-05 (2 years ago) --> what??
[08:46:51] <p858snake>	 someone may need to create an account and update it, i guess?
[08:47:30] <p858snake>	 "The feature records can be maintained through a webinterface on WikiMatrix or by providing an URL where we fetch the data from regularly. We will send you more details when we accept your submission."
[08:47:58] <Vulpix>	 {{sofixit}} :P
[09:00:16] <akoopal>	 they call mediawiki not mobile friendly
[09:00:41] <akoopal>	 I see this as something best done from the core team, not by a random volunteer
[09:08:11] <akoopal>	 Shall I just shoot in a phabricator ticket to look at this perhaps?
[09:34:53] <Remilia>	 oh I found an intriguing difference between php 7.4 (and below) and 8.0: apparently in 7.4, APCu meets the persistence criteria for session cache, but not in 8.0, and the documentation even mentions that you should not rely on CACHE_ACCEL for session cache
[09:35:11] <Remilia>	 sessions broke for me with the 8.0 switch and I only just found out why
[09:35:18] <Remilia>	 lol
[13:24:52] <Guest2696>	 Hello there, does anyone know the reason for the following error and how to fix? "Script error: Lua error: Internal error: The interpreter has terminated with signal "9". Thank you
[14:08:17] <Guest26>	 Hello, I was trying to install Memcached following the instructions here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Memcached#Setup but on saving I'm getting the following error: LogicException: Process cache for 'en' should be set by now. so any idea why it's not working?
[14:21:45] <RhinosF1>	 Guest26: check mediawiki can connect
[14:22:13] <Guest26>	 I managed to fix. Thanks
[14:22:42] <RhinosF1>	 Np
[14:22:50] <RhinosF1>	 What was wrong Guest26
[14:22:53] <Guest26>	 Any idea why Script error: Lua error: Internal error: The interpreter has terminated with signal "9". coming up?
[14:23:42] <Guest26>	 RhinosF1 it wasn't working on my server so had to restart.
[14:24:52] <RhinosF1>	 Guest26: makes sense and you'd be best looking in syslog
[14:25:01] <RhinosF1>	 9 is SIGKILL
[14:25:17] <RhinosF1>	 Could be something like memory
[14:26:04] <RhinosF1>	 syslog or dmesg would likely tell you
[14:27:12] <Guest26>	 Guest26 Ahhh got it maybe due to lack of RAM size because the article is too big.
[14:27:45] <Guest26>	 Thank you for your help. Have a good time. :)
[14:34:58] <RhinosF1>	 That's very possible
[17:11:12] <TheGuild>	 Is it known that the Timeless skin temporarily shows the default styling before Mobile.css is applied? For me, I'm using a black background and the flash of white before the black is applied is really offputting.
[17:22:40] <Reedy>	 Sounds like a bug
[17:22:43] <Reedy>	 Dunno if it's known though
[17:24:04] <gandalf>	 hey guys, anyone knows the correct format to set a quantity value via wbcreateclaim (API) on Wikibase?
[17:24:16] <gandalf>	 [code] => invalid-snak
[17:25:24] <TheGuild>	 Reedy: will have a browse on Phabricator, cheers :)
[17:26:25] <Vulpix>	 TheGuild: That's probably (the lack of implementation of) T190083
[17:26:26] <stashbot>	 T190083: Make MediaWiki:Mobile.css render-blocking - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190083
[17:28:45] <TheGuild>	 Vulpix: so it's known?
[17:30:00] <Vulpix>	 MediaWiki:Mobile.css is not render-blocking. It's loaded by JavaScript, and the cause of your problems, yes. But it was a design decision for MobileFrontend
[17:30:25] <TheGuild>	 Is there a way to get around it?
[17:31:32] <Vulpix>	 yes. Set $wgMFSiteStylesRenderBlocking = true; in LocalSettings.php
[17:33:07] <TheGuild>	 ty ty!
[19:56:52] <akoopal>	 for the wikimatrix site I reported this morning, I opened https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T305749
[20:06:56] <mutante>	 akoopal: you know.. I am far from MW core team.. but since I noticed that is run by a German company and I speak German.. I just sent them a quick mail about that. includes link to your ticket
[20:07:20] <mutante>	 to  wikimatrix@cosmocode.de
[20:07:35] <akoopal>	 mutante: ok, good
[20:09:15] <akoopal>	 it will be best if the updates are somehow automaticly done on a release, if they are interested.
[20:10:02] <Reedy>	 Very much upto them
[20:10:06] <mutante>	 yes, we will see what they reply. I am a bit pessimistic that this was a project by a former employee or something.
[20:10:17] <mutante>	 since they stopped for 2 years
[20:10:38] <akoopal>	 or they just pulled the information 2 years ago
[20:10:50] <mutante>	 I did point them to the MW download page to get version info.
[20:11:18] <mutante>	 yea, they can of course make API calls too
[20:11:40] <akoopal>	 but as I said in the ticket, I was looking for info on twiki vs mediawiki, mainly to steer an internal customer the right way, and this was one of the first hits
[20:12:02] <Reedy>	 I don't think I've ever seen that page before
[20:12:12] <Reedy>	 And that's... 15+ years of being round MW
[20:12:48] <faktor>	 I am trying to install Ext Filelist but is using deprecated  global $wgParser; the wiki page says to replace with.. but how do I replace that 
[20:13:03] <faktor>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgParser
[20:13:04] <mutante>	 it's possible they are biased against MW
[20:13:10] <mutante>	 because "Professional support from DokuWiki's main developer and his company. "
[20:13:15] <mutante>	 they are selling dokuwiki support, heh
[20:13:17] <akoopal>	 I agree that given mediawiki is one of the market leaders, it should be upon them to keep it up to date
[20:13:29] <Reedy>	 faktor: What do you mesn how do you replace it?
[20:13:32] <Reedy>	 *mean
[20:14:17] <faktor>	 Filelist  $wgParser->setHook('filelist', array(&$this, 'hookML'));
[20:14:38] <faktor>	 Line 212 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FileList
[20:14:53] <faktor>	 Of FileList.php
[20:15:22] <faktor>	 Is it just plop in this function on page https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgParser
[20:15:42] <faktor>	 Since wgparser is no longer supported
[20:15:51] <Reedy>	 You'll need an import/use statement
[20:15:56] <faktor>	 how do I create the wrapper function or where to place it
[20:16:34] <Reedy>	  $wgParser->setHook('filelist', array(&$this, 'hookML'));
[20:16:34] <Reedy>	 to
[20:16:56] <Reedy>	 MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices::getInstance()->getParser()->setHook('filelist', array(&$this, 'hookML'));
[20:17:02] <faktor>	 Okay thanks
[20:17:10] <Reedy>	 But really, that is doing the setup wrong
[20:17:24] <Reedy>	 !hook ParserFirstCallInit
[20:17:24] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ParserFirstCallInit
[20:17:27] <Reedy>	 is what it should be using
[20:17:38] <faktor>	 Right just patching older ext to work with newer version for now
[20:17:55] <Reedy>	 That extension looks to need quite a bit of love
[20:18:08] <faktor>	 Correct , would do so if I can get it to work. 
[20:22:04] <faktor>	 Awesome now moving on to the next error. :)
[20:25:16] <akoopal>	 and now to do some research on mediawiki with docker
[21:16:23] <faktor>	 Reedy, Thanks again ,got it working. 
[22:36:58] <faktor>	 Glad mediawiki has all the migration information. 
[22:46:44] <Platonides>	 faktor: you are welcome to contribute your patches to the extension
[22:51:48] <faktor>	 When I get the ext 100% I will
[22:52:03] <faktor>	 at 60% :)
[22:52:10] <faktor>	 But moving forward. 
[22:53:42] <Platonides>	 :)
[23:19:46] <ashley>	 <Reedy> That extension looks to need quite a bit of love <-- I don't think I've ever seen anything this "trivial" to literally try to include WebStart.php manually (!)...that's an *interesting* thing to do, to say the least
[23:20:03] <Reedy>	 lol
[23:20:56] <ashley>	 but I'm bored so might as well take a stab at making it semi-usable since it appears to have at least one user :)
[23:21:59] <Reedy>	 it sounded like faktor was making progress though :P
[23:22:19] <moonmoon>	 ashley: it's fine, I'm doing a thing I'm not even sure will be desired upstream
[23:22:29] <Platonides>	 wtf? including WebStart.php??
[23:23:01] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/nymanjens/FileList/blob/master/FileList.php
[23:23:24] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/nymanjens/FileList/blob/844f5c656c76143c17df19a9b0f798a198b6ba64/file.php#L11
[23:23:37] <Reedy>	 looks like it's a standalone script though...
[23:24:52] <moonmoon>	 what's the difference between that and thumb.php in terms of functionality?
[23:25:27] <Reedy>	 Does it force a download?
[23:25:29] <faktor>	 I am on to converting 
[23:25:30] <faktor>	  //$revision = $article->getRevision();
[23:25:31] <faktor>	             $revision = $article->fetchRevisionRecord();
[23:25:52] <moonmoon>	 oh yeah it can force a download
[23:26:06] <faktor>	 [YlC5WkHo7Ylwxmado1o50gAAojA] /index.php?title=Category:Single_Line_File Error: Class 'RevisionRecord' not found
[23:26:31] <Reedy>	 Correct Namespace?
[23:26:39] <Reedy>	 MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionRecord
[23:27:01] <moonmoon>	 unless it's one of a set of extensions marked as "open in browser", so in effect it's duplicating browser logic of display vs. download
[23:27:24] <faktor>	 Well on conversion it needs a New but only starts off with $revision = $article->getRevision()
[23:27:50] <faktor>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Revision.php/Migration
[23:27:50] <Platonides>	 it opens in browser html files?
[23:27:56] <Platonides>	 looks like a source of trouble
[23:28:17] <faktor>	   $article = new Article ( Title::newFromText( 'File:'.$dataobject->img_name ) );
[23:28:29] <bawolff>	 While luckily it uses the incorrect mime type
[23:29:13] <moonmoon>	 I would just get rid of file.php and directly link the files
[23:29:15] <bawolff>	 And i guess it just redirects, so that's less of an issue
[23:29:16] <moonmoon>	 tbh
[23:30:00] <bawolff>	 WMF handles this sort of thing by having some code in varnish that looks for url parameter to decide if they want to add a content-disposition header
[23:31:13] <Platonides>	 it uses a lot of messages as raw html
[23:33:49] <faktor>	 Before adding a file,which works fine : https://spotcheckit.org/index.php?title=Category:Script_File  After adding a file,which does not:  https://spotcheckit.org/index.php?title=Category:Single_Line_File  
[23:35:48] <faktor>	 afk for a few , but where I am at. 
[23:35:58] <Platonides>	 you miss the namespace?
[23:36:05] <Platonides>	 seems what Reedy mentioned above
[23:36:13] <faktor>	 oh
[23:36:29] <faktor>	 Yes how to add the namespace for New RevisionRecord. 
[23:37:08] <Platonides>	 I would simply add at the top
[23:37:10] <Platonides>	 use MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionRecord;
[23:38:56] <faktor>	 Nice on to the next error :)
[23:39:01] <Platonides>	 :)