[01:26:02] <Juesto8050[m]>	 lol
[01:32:16] <Platonides>	 at least mediawiki doesn't reply "I hate you" like... cvs? svn?
[02:08:01] <p858snake>	 Platonides: well, not yet
[02:12:35] <Izno[m]>	 this can be arranged
[11:59:54] <Juesto8050[m]>	 huh
[21:26:44] <Guest42>	 Is there a way to pass a template parameter to a parser function without it being parsed? So that you can have some wikitext as value, and the parser function would get the plain wikitext, rather than a parsed version?
[21:31:30] <moonmoon>	 use <nowiki>
[21:31:55] <moonmoon>	 (in the place that uses the template, not inside the template)
[21:32:38] <moonmoon>	 so e.g. {{MyTemplate|<nowiki>'''raw wikitext {{here}}'''</nowiki>}} and inside of Template:MyTemplate {{{1}}} will refer to that raw wikitext
[21:36:39] <Guest42>	 Thank you moonmoon
[21:36:47] <Guest42>	 I forgot to mention that is the current solution
[21:36:58] <Guest42>	 But I'm looking for something without <nowiki>
[21:37:08] <moonmoon>	 not possible
[21:37:16] <Guest42>	 Or at least an approach where nowiki is not exposed to the user editing the template call
[21:37:23] <moonmoon>	 also not possible
[21:37:38] <Guest42>	 They edit the template via a form (Page Forms), and it's silly for them to have to add nowiki around their text in ther
[21:37:42] <moonmoon>	 the arguments get parsed before the template does, so there's no raw text available by the point in time the template is expanded
[21:38:39] <Guest42>	 What if we replace the template with a Lua module?
[21:38:46] <moonmoon>	 also wouldn't work
[21:38:50] <moonmoon>	 you'd need a tag extension
[21:39:55] <moonmoon>	 er, sorry
[21:39:59] <moonmoon>	 directly calling a module would work
[21:40:28] <moonmoon>	 so if your form does {{#invoke:foo|...}} directly then lua can grab the wikitext before it's parsed
[21:51:04] <Guest42>	 That is really ineteresting
[21:51:12] <Guest42>	 If only we could warp that call into a template...
[21:51:38] <Guest42>	 Now the question is if we can get Page Forms to somehow generate the invoke call, rather than a standard template call
[21:53:59] <Charly[m]>	 <Guest42> "They edit the template via a..." <- Are there stuck with pageforms?
[21:53:59] <Charly[m]>	 I know Flexform has a noparse option to avoid this..
[21:55:05] <Charly[m]>	 You don't need to replace all pageforms forms, just that one..
[22:00:16] <Guest42>	 Charly[m] is there documentation or an example?
[22:05:46] <Guest42>	 And what versions of MediaWiki does this extension work with? Just 1.35.x?
[22:21:27] <Charly[m]>	 Yes, until November only 1.35x
[22:21:27] <Charly[m]>	 Documentation on https://open-csp org
[22:21:41] <Charly[m]>	 s//./
[22:22:26] <Guest42>	 I checked the docs and am not finding anything about noparse. Could you link the relevant page?
[22:26:05] <Charly[m]>	 Ahh, might be it's not on there 🤭 it's ( the docs ) work in progress.  I can always setup an exact example if you want. It is almost midnight here, so hope it's ok when I did that tomorrow.  Was just going to bed. Or we could discord or Skype or whatever and walk though it? Just ping me
[22:27:00] <Guest42>	 Thanks!
[22:33:42] <Guest42>	 moonmoon I'm not so sure about the arguments being parsed before the template.
[22:34:01] <Guest42>	 To test, I created a template with <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki>
[22:34:16] <Guest42>	 Then I called the template:
[22:34:22] <Guest42>	 {{Escaped|<ref>I'm a refence</ref>}}
[22:34:39] <Guest42>	 The result is simply {{{1}}}. No reference shows up.
[22:42:38] <moonmoon>	 <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki> is telling the template that you want a literal "{{{1}}}" so that's what you got
[22:44:17] <Guest42>	 Yeah, I am not surprised by that
[22:44:31] <Guest42>	 Maybe I misunderstood what you meant earlier
[22:45:00] <Guest42>	 I thought you meant that the wikitext would get parsed before it got to the template
[22:46:12] <Guest42>	 Sooo... there is no way to get the value from {{{1}}} without that value being parsed as well?
[22:46:23] <moonmoon>	 pretty sure that used to be the case
[22:49:56] <Guest42>	 Thanks again, I appreciate your help