[00:02:16] <Izno[m]>	 For that you would want Cargo or SMW
[00:08:41] <Archimedes1560[m>	 Oh actually it wasn't that bad (example for up to 3 params):... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/4a3e6feb15139e9a9b3882cd92f15904d6bdb48c>)
[00:09:26] <Archimedes1560[m>	 s/<--/<!--/, s/<--/<!--/, s/<--/<!--/
[00:18:05] <Platonides>	 taylan: I think it _may_ be possible
[00:19:44] <Archimedes1560[m>	 Technically yes, in practice no
[00:19:44] <Archimedes1560[m>	 ~~(I tried)~~
[00:22:53] <Archimedes1560[m>	 It *is* possible
[00:22:53] <Archimedes1560[m>	 Except getting info from more than 5 pages will require like 20s of CPU time usage on every edit that uses that info
[00:39:54] <Archimedes1560[m>	 Unless you plan to refresh the database manually with `{{subst:#invoke:}}` which sometimes doesn't work for some reason
[00:42:14] <taylan>	 we'll probably end up installing Cargo or SMW, I'll check out which one would be a better fit for us
[00:42:51] <taylan>	 btw can anyone recommend an IRC channel or other kind of chat room for web/css questions?
[00:45:35] <bawolff>	 I mean, #html is an irc channel. no idea how good it is
[00:47:52] <bawolff>	 taylan: yeah, that's more Cargo or SMW territory. The pure lua approach is to make some centralized data page, then put a template on Cat to display the data from the data page, and one on Dog to display the info there, and one on category:Animals to make the list
[00:48:17] <bawolff>	 Or something with WikiBase, but i have trouble really reccomended wikibase for general usage outside of specific circumstances
[00:48:44] <taylan>	 bawolff: hmm, the centralized data page doesn't sound bad, do you have any links that explain that method?
[00:49:29] <taylan>	 or is would it be something barebones like: in Lua, fetch contents of data page, and do totally free-form parsing on it...
[00:49:37] <taylan>	 s/is //
[00:49:39] <bawolff>	 Umm, I'm not sure about links, but as an example, on mediawiki.org we have a page called https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Module:ExtensionJson which is one huge page for all extensions, which drives the infobox on individual extension pages
[00:49:50] <bawolff>	 You can use a json content model if you like json
[00:50:17] <bawolff>	 e.g. like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Extension/popularity.json
[00:50:35] <bawolff>	 you can use Special:ChangeContentModel to just the type of data on a page to make it be a json page
[00:51:30] <bawolff>	 There's also special support in lua for loading data only modules - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua/Scripting#mw.loadData_%28mw.loadData%28_module_%29%29 which allows for better efficiency
[00:52:07] <bawolff>	 and similiarly for https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual#mw.loadJsonData
[00:52:45] <bawolff>	 There's also an extension called JsonData that some people use, but i personally don't like it
[00:57:25] <bawolff>	 sorry, JsonConfig
[00:58:00] <Izno[m]>	 Some people, like Wikipedia? 🙂
[00:58:14] <legoktm>	  19:50:36 <bawolff> you can use Special:ChangeContentModel to just the type of data on a page to make it be a json page <-- and note that in 1.39+, ".json" pages in the Module namespace are automatically JSON content model
[00:58:45] <bawolff>	 Izno[m]: Its an obscure group you may have heard of
[00:59:14] <bawolff>	 But i don't think JsonConfig  gets all that much use at wikipedia in practise
[00:59:14] <Izno[m]>	 right, right, may have.
[00:59:29] <Izno[m]>	 it's being used for GrowthExperiments config I think
[00:59:39] <bawolff>	 eww, is it?
[00:59:51] <Izno[m]>	 not totally certain
[01:00:00] <bawolff>	 Historically it was used for wikipedia zero
[01:00:14] <bawolff>	 Its also very tied up with kartographer and some of the mapping stuff
[01:01:18] <legoktm>	 I think GrowthExperiments is using its own JSON config system
[01:01:26] <legoktm>	 JsonConfig is mostly for tabular data on Commons still
[01:03:33] <bawolff>	 Also sometimes its used for a custom translation system for scribunto templates
[04:52:55] <GSoc-enthusiast>	 Wikimedia has many projects
[04:52:56] <GSoc-enthusiast>	 can anyone tell which projects have higher chances to come up this year.
[04:55:23] <GSoc-enthusiast>	 Also on phabaricator there are 2-3 issues with gsoc-2023 tag, Are these those projects which wikimedia going to submit this year
[04:57:36] <GSoc-enthusiast>	 is this correct place to ask this questions
[06:02:29] <bawolff>	 GSoc-enthusiast-: This is certainly an ok place to ask
[06:02:54] <bawolff>	 As in, its definitely on-topic
[06:03:11] <bawolff>	 I don't knoe if you'll actually get answers though here. You might have better luck on zulip
[06:03:52] <GSoc-enthusiast->	 okk then I will ask these on zulip
[06:03:53] <GSoc-enthusiast->	 thanks
[06:03:58] <bawolff>	 GSoc-enthusiast-: Generally speaking I think they look more at the candidate then the specific project (As long as the project has someone willing to mentor, and it looks doable)
[06:04:35] <bawolff>	 GSoc-enthusiast-: That is, I would reccomend focusing more on finding something you are really excited about (Well still making sure that someone is willing to mentor, and its not unreasonably hard)
[06:04:59] <bawolff>	 As i think being really excited about the topic of your project probably counts more than what the project actually is
[06:05:19] <bawolff>	 But take that with salt, as I am not an organizer, and its been like a decade since i participated in gsoc
[06:06:19] <GSoc-enthusiast->	 so i should start solving good first issue i found interesting
[06:06:20] <GSoc-enthusiast->	 right??
[06:07:16] <bawolff>	 GSoc-enthusiast-: yes. getting code comitted is probably one of the best things you can do
[06:07:30] <bawolff>	 Also it lets you explore different projects and see if anything is interesting
[06:07:59] <bawolff>	 But also, it allows potential mentors to see your work and get to know you, which is always a good thing
[06:08:31] <GSoc-enthusiast->	 okk thanks a lot for this helpful advice :)
[06:09:24] <bawolff>	 GSoc-enthusiast-: good luck :)
[07:02:09] <taylan>	 I seem to remember having to make sure that the <noinclude> tag starts immediately where the template code ends, so as to prevent extraneous line breaks from being added to the page using the template.  did this change in recent MW versions such that I can safely use some line breaks after the end of the actual template code?
[07:21:47] <Archimedes1560[m>	 I don't think so, not really
[07:21:47] <Archimedes1560[m>	 You can always use `<!--
[07:21:47] <Archimedes1560[m>	 -->` comments for that though
[08:18:29] <tgr_>	 Line breaks get swallowed in parserfunction arguments in some situations. Not generally at the end of templates, AFAIK.
[11:52:17] <Pradnya>	 Hey
[11:52:38] <Pradnya>	 While setting up mediawiki, which branch shall I clone?
[11:54:55] <Reedy>	 Probably master, but it depends what you're actually doing...
[11:55:21] <Reedy>	 master for dev,  a release branch for a production wiki (or fixing issues only on release branches)
[11:59:15] <Pradnya>	 Reedy okay thank you, I'll go through the list of pending issues and then check
[12:22:50] <Pradnya10>	 Can I get the list of issues?
[12:34:50] <Pradnya>	 Hey could you send the list where I can contribute
[12:38:11] <Reedy>	 !phabricator
[12:38:11] <wm-bot>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/
[12:39:04] <Pradnya>	 Thank you
[14:43:20] <Guest94>	 Hi, I'm using MW 1.39 but getting the following error when using Visual Editor "Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404)" any help?
[14:44:11] <Guest94>	 Apache Version 2.4.55
[14:44:12] <Guest94>	 PHP Version 7.4.33
[15:01:56] <Guest94>	 Hi, anyone aware of this bug?
[15:11:31] <Yaron>	 Hi - can anyone explain why this patch is failing validation? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/WatchAnalytics/+/883522
[15:21:26] <Guest2>	 Hi, I have an Issue regarding xdebug on my mediawiki instance in docker.
[15:21:57] <Guest2>	 (Sorry accidantily hit enter before hand the rest of my message comes shortly)
[15:28:46] <Guest2>	 My Mediawiki runs on a Ubuntu VM inside a docker container. I tried using XDebug with VSCode from my local machine (it is already connected via SSH for remote development). I set up XDebug according to this site: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Docker/Configuration_recipes/Xdebug_config_for_VS_Code But no matter what BP I set keep getting
[15:28:47] <Guest2>	 ignored. Maybe someone knows what I forgot?
[15:28:47] <Guest2>	 Here is my launch.json: https://dpaste.org/vnkVS#L4,7,11
[15:28:48] <Guest2>	 Here is my .env file: https://dpaste.org/N7UDo
[15:32:03] <Guest2>	 oh and and something I want to ask, because maybe thats the problem: with the PathMapping: I'm not sure if this is correct. The path of my docker container is /etc/mediawiki  so I'm not sure I got that right
[15:32:49] <moonmoon>	 Yaron: I'd try doing a recheck in case it was some weird issue where selenium hung, given that most of the errors were timeouts
[15:51:02] <Guest85>	 Hi, I was here yesterday asking for a way to run a script when the page is safed. After your suggestion of using the Hook "PageSaveComplete" I tried using this, but unfortunatly it seems like the Hook does run when updating a page. Since this is the first Hook I'm implementing in my extension, I'm not quite sure I did it right, maybe someone can
[15:51:02] <Guest85>	 see an Issue?
[15:51:03] <Guest85>	 Here is my code:
[15:51:03] <Guest85>	 - extension.json: https://dpaste.org/qrU6p
[15:51:04] <Guest85>	 - LocationDataHooks.php: https://dpaste.org/ZDJgq
[15:56:25] <moonmoon>	 Guest85: is your extension loaded? Check Special:Version
[16:05:44] <Guest85>	 Hi, yes my extension is loaded, it's mostly a REST-API for additional metadata, so there was no Hook needed so far
[16:13:55] <moonmoon>	 Guest85: could be an error in your hook then. At the very least, WikiPage::getTitle returns a Title object most likely, not a string. Check your php error logs
[16:26:19] <Guest85>	 Ohh I see, that makes sense. I have to be honest, I don't know where to find those error logs
[16:55:40] <Guest85>	 I mean if you do mean the Log of the Debug-Toolbar, there is no error
[17:02:04] <Guest85>	 I did try to use the function "getFullText()" of the Title object, which according to the documentation returns a string value of the title, but it still seems to do nothing. If you could tell me, where I can find the PHP error logs, that woul be great:)
[17:40:54] <Guest85>	 Sorry, but I gotta go now, it's pretty late here. I will check the Chat Log tomorrow if someone is asking, otherwise, I will ask again tomorrow
[17:41:19] <Guest85>	 *with asking I of course mean answering my question.
[18:35:11] <Yaron>	 moonmoon: sorry for the long delay. I ran "recheck", but the same problem is still there: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/WatchAnalytics/+/883522
[18:35:51] <Yaron>	 It seems to involve Selenium timing out. Is there any way to increase the timeout?
[18:39:22] <b4531826[m]>	 I've been locked from my Wikimedia account despite doing nothing wrong. Does this mean that the Wikimedia account system is broken?
[18:44:18] <b4531826[m]>	 I've been locked from my Wikimedia account despite doing nothing wrong. Does this mean that the Wikimedia account system is broken?
[18:54:32] <RhinosF1>	 b4531826[m]: what’s your username
[19:52:01] <b4531826[m]>	 My username is B4531826.
[19:53:14] <Izno>	 MediaWiki software is operating as expected.
[21:42:18] <b4531826[m]>	 <Izno> "MediaWiki software is operating..." <- So why is my account locked?
[21:43:06] <Izno>	 Your account was being used for vandalism across wikis.
[21:44:23] <b4531826[m]>	 Izno: It actually was not. Did you look at my contributions?
[21:44:36] <Izno>	 Arguing with me in this channel isn't going to get you anywhere.
[21:44:40] <Izno>	 So.
[21:44:47] <b4531826[m]>	 RhinosF1: 
[21:44:49] <b4531826[m]>	 Izno: Why?
[21:44:54] <Izno>	 It's offtopic.
[21:45:08] <Izno>	 And I'm not interested in arguing with you on the point.
[21:47:16] <b4531826[m]>	 appservice: Ban Inzo!
[21:47:53] <Izno>	 smh can't spell my name right
[21:48:11] <b4531826[m]>	 s/Inzo/Izno/
[21:48:20] <b4531826[m]>	 Izno: I fixed it.
[21:48:27] <Izno>	 oh good
[21:50:27] <b4531826[m]>	 appservice: If you can, please unlock my Wikimedia account.
[21:53:05] <taylan>	 There seem to be some entries in the upload log which I can't mark as patrolled.  I think it's because another file was moved on top of them after an untrusted editor originally uploaded the file.  Anyone familiar with this issue?
[21:53:34] <RhinosF1>	 !ops b4531826[m]
[21:56:08] <RhinosF1>	 Thanks p858snake
[22:39:58] <Tamzin>	 ooh we're banning Izno?
[23:12:22] <taylan>	 anyone want to look over https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/TitleKey/+/886172 ?  it's a trivial fix...
[23:13:25] <zabe>	 +2'ed
[23:14:59] <Izno>	 Tamzin, D:
[23:18:20] <taylan>	 is it normal that I got literally 23 consecutive emails from the build system? :D  I think it sent out a few duplicates...
[23:18:58] <taylan>	 and it's still going...
[23:19:06] <taylan>	 I hope it's not stuck in a loop and destroys my inbox :D
[23:19:12] <zabe>	 I cherry picked the change to 3 release branches, so you get the same kind of mails 4 times
[23:19:33] <Izno>	 which is pretty close to the number of comments made by jenkins-bot
[23:19:37] <Izno>	 if you multiply by 4
[23:20:29] <taylan>	 ah ok, better too much info than too little I guess :D
[23:21:20] <Izno>	 I would guess there's some way to ask Gerrit to send you a digest
[23:21:24] <Izno>	 in prefs
[23:21:31] <Izno>	 rather than one email a comment or similar