[04:20:15] I really can't believe that SMW includes a 15 kb logo in the footer of every page as an inline base64 encoded data url [04:20:28] This is so silly [04:20:38] The logo is probably bigger than the entire rest of the page [05:39:11] In a way, i feel like https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T301044 is just begging for someone to show up and tell me I'm wrong and that's not the way things work [05:45:29] bawolff: yes, restbase is deprecated and theoretically on its way out [05:45:49] your post is a pretty good summary on how to get stuff deployed [05:46:13] The part i was really unclear about is if that's just rest restbase or node.js microservices in general [05:46:26] just restbase, node.js services are here to stay [05:46:47] I never actually understood what restbase did anyways [05:47:15] it was the monolith to destroy the other monoliths with :) [05:47:37] that said, we also have (a) PHP service, so you're not absolutely tied to nodejs anymore [05:48:07] oh and Python services too [05:48:10] no rust? [05:51:33] not yet afaik ._. [05:51:44] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T301044#8719651 *cough* huggle *cough* [05:52:24] huggle is functionally a gadget [05:52:46] and users opt into it accordingly [05:52:49] > Most people who have done it have had friends in high places at WMF to get advice about who to talk to and who to poke. [05:52:49] dunno about "high places", but you really need a deployer who knows what they're doing to push it across the line [05:53:13] re: Rust, just a few hours ago, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T281219#8726273 :p [05:53:57] Izno[m]: mre of a example, of the many things that get deployed on cloud and then hang for dear life when people disappear [05:54:13] ah [05:55:10] legoktm: I was more trying to get at, someone well respected [05:55:24] I didn't mean in the sense of having a manager on your side [05:56:00] Maybe I'll reword that [05:56:07] ah yeah. high places in the technocracy, not bureaucracy :) [05:57:47] What good is a bureaucratic friend when the c-levels turn over every 6 months ;) [06:00:15] I think the real benefit of pure mediawiki extension is once those things are deployed they tend to have a lot of inertia, and people fix them unasked [06:00:27] unloved microservices slowly wither away [06:01:01] hey, the new CTO hasn't turned over in at least 6 months! [06:01:47] anyway, the specific effort highlighted in that task is going to have some rough going; MDWiki is in the shitter on en.wp [06:02:06] started essentially because Doc James didn't want to play ball with the rules on en.wp [06:02:20] Ah, i was wondering if that was the case [06:02:43] because i visited MDWiki, and it had big, I'm taking my ball and going home, energy [06:03:12] that particular effort (cool data views) looks nice, but could be done today with `` and some CSVs on Commons [06:03:21] in the Data namespace [06:04:03] so, you might also suggest that there is a viable existing alternative and to ask why that is insufficient 😉 [06:04:04] Personally I think is a bit of a failed solution... It seems to complex for anyone to use [06:04:19] But yeah i agree it takes a lot of wind out of this things usecase [06:04:44] I do generally agree with your 'who didn't tell you how things work' energy [06:08:34] This whole thing also feels a bit like, we are going to make a thing without talking to anyone, then its going to get rejected, and then we're going to complain its unfair how all this work was wasted [06:08:51] Which to be fair has worked for other groups in the past (Hello gwtoolset) [06:09:33] there might be complaints, but not talking to anyone might in other words be framed as "be bold" 😉 [06:09:46] which is definitely a classic DJ MO which is what got him separated [06:09:56] arbcom case and everything [06:11:01] true, there is a time to be bold. If you're being bold though, its best you know what you're doing [06:53:50] Hi, anyone aware of Cognitive Process Designer extension? [06:54:38] I installed this extension but getting error while saving diagram. I'm running a private website for my students and was interested to use this extension but for some reason it's not working. [06:55:32] When I hit the save button after creating a diagram I'm getting "Failed posting diagram elements to wiki" pop error. [06:58:14] My students can upload images in .svg format and the image folder has 755 permission. [07:06:42] Or at least can someone please tell how I can get the exact information on this error.