[00:22:09] XML is more readable for SEO purposes I think. [00:22:25] Since fandom is now creating json schemas from it using AI. [00:23:14] Can't you do the same thing post-parse [00:23:27] Not sure. [00:24:09] I think In google knowledge box things PI information shows more clearly. [00:24:20] And also In SERPS. [00:25:09] (Tbf seems Wikipedia infoboxes do too. [00:25:16] * do too.) [00:33:18] Wait it's not the same as parser xml output [00:33:18] It's just a bunch of `` and `` tags... almost like `| data =` and `| label =` [01:09:20] How do I show certain elements for certain groups, e.g. I want to show ConfirmAccount information for Bureaucrats in the sidebar, or topmost navigation header [01:12:16] Or are there gadgets for this [01:49:28] "How do I show certain elements..." <- mcint [[MediaWiki:Group-bureaucrat.css]] etc [01:49:52] Ah the bot [01:49:59] s/[[//, s/]]// [01:50:31] s/[[/```/, s/]]/```/ [05:24:21] tyty Archimedes1560[m [11:22:02] I notice a lot of people doing styling in html mixing the style attribute with other properties. Its like they use both instead of one or the other. For example, [11:22:06] bgcolor="grey" style="color:white;" [11:22:13] instead of just doing [11:22:18] style="background:grey; color:white;" [11:22:31] Keeping it consistent. Wouldn't it be better practice to do it all in the style attribute instead of hopping in and out of the style tag ? Or even better keep styling completely separate from the structure [11:33:18] Styling should be done with classes and css. Never in-line styling. [11:35:11] I knew I wasn't crazy thinking it was bad practice, it just make sense. Thanks for confirming :) [11:41:17] I do know some html attributes don't have css equivalent like `colspan`, so I see cases why they do it to avoid writing extra code in css. But I agree it should be completely separate from the structure [13:18:17] One last question. Is there a way for me to call css out of a namespace ? I kinda don't wanna use MediaWiki:Common.css, and no extensions if possible [13:19:18] I tried the tag but it just outputs the plain text [13:20:16] you can with this extension: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles [13:20:53] Yeah I was wondering if its possible without extensions though [13:25:14] Given that there is an extension for it, I'm guessing its not as easy to do without it. [13:30:50] Try "impossible". You cannot use style or link tags in wikitext. [13:31:20] In base MediaWiki [13:31:55] 👀 [13:33:14] Welp looks like I'm using Common.css then. I hate depending on extensions...I'll just comment out the sections in the file to keep it structured [13:33:46] Hi Base! [13:34:16] Hi :) [20:45:59] afternoon folks [20:47:21] I'm having trouble getting the install to connect to MySQL. Have verified the root PW multiple times, but some of my reading tells me maybe there's a MySQL PHP issue? The username and password are spot on. [20:48:45] mysql is running, I can log in with the credentials on the command line just fine. Oddness. [20:48:55] any suggestions? [20:52:43] bueller? [20:53:26] well what's the error message [20:53:40] Cannot access the database: :real_connect(): (HY000/1698): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'. [20:53:41] Check the host, username and password and try again. If using "localhost" as the database host, try using "127.0.0.1" instead (or vice versa). [20:53:52] did you try that suggestion [20:53:57] I've tried switching it to 127.. but it does not improve [20:54:09] check mysql error logs [20:54:10] mysql log shows no activity. [20:55:02] sure it's the right mysql instance? [20:55:26] (that is, maybe you're running 2 instances or something and PHP is trying to connect to some other one) [20:55:51] thanks for the clarifying info... standby [20:56:09] ps indicates only one mysql running [20:56:18] k [20:56:48] does the user php is running as have access to write to the mysql socket file (usually something like /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock but I came up with that from memory) [20:56:59] checking [21:00:47] all the files except one in /var/lib/mysql are owned by mysql.mysql. Netstat tells me that /var/run/mysqlx.sock and mysqld.sock are also owned mysql.mysql. (I admit, we're getting deeper than my normal understanding... so I'm trying my best. Thanks) [21:05:21] from command line you may connecting through the socket. I'm not sure if putting "localhost" as the host would actually connect through the socket, though [21:06:02] from command line, I'm not entering any host... simply mysql -u root -p [21:06:23] I'm on my localhost (linode virtual host, connected via ssh) [21:06:26] yeah, that usually means it connects through the socket [21:07:21] use the -h modifier (-h localhost) to specify the host from command line and see if you see the same error message [21:07:35] thanks, standby. [21:14:51] So, in the mediawiki install interface, I added the -h localhost and saw no change. On command line, I logged in with mysql -u root -h localhost -p and saw no change there (was able to access) [21:19:31] I'd also take this as a solution - A linux image on linode that will package install mediawiki 1.39. This is an advance ubuntu image and it, by default, installs mysql instead of mariasql. I really like package management instead of tarballs... but I'm open to ideas on distros that linode can roll for me. [21:24:03] well, you can't use -h modifiers on the MediaWiki installer, because the data entry field where it asks for a server *is* the -h modifier [21:24:51] adding -h there should give you a different error message, though [21:27:22] The error message (Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost') indicates MediaWiki is able to reach mysql server, since the error message comes from mysql itself. However, access is denied [21:28:41] Vulpix: the PHP mysql extension uses the socket if you specify 'localhost' but uses TCP if you specify '127.0.0.1' (hence that suggestion on the mediawiki installer) [21:28:53] but yeah this is a bit weird if it works from cli but not from PHP [21:29:47] elemental_2005: are you typing in the password or copy/pasting it? If copy/paste, check for spurious spaces in the front or back [21:29:58] (awoo) [21:38:08] tinsts [21:39:43] spurious input... took a quick break... will look at the copy pasta thing... I had it work with copy paste before, when MariaDB was in (an older debian) but with mysql (newer ubuntu), it's failing... but I'll look into that... thanks. [21:47:25] So, I was using copy paste, but as you indicate, there may be issues. I've changed that mysql root password to be less intense (less special characters) and definitive so I'm sure I'm typing it correctly. The mediawiki script continues to fail.... error... [21:47:31] Cannot access the database: :real_connect(): (HY000/1698): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'. [21:47:32] Check the host, username and password and try again. If using "localhost" as the database host, try using "127.0.0.1" instead (or vice versa). [21:47:39] both localhost and 127.0.0.1 [21:52:00] from some searching, it seems the root issue is the use of root. Seems that at least in some distros, by default there is an additional access check where you need to be root in order to log into mysql as root [21:52:00] !!! Enjoy the most profitable financial market (crypto market ) as you get 100% profit...and you can also make up to $100k or more in 3days send me a private message and ask me HOW using telegram @Vincentkadar [21:52:40] so, seems the solution is "create a non-root mysql user and make use of that" [21:52:54] legoktm, look like you have some spam on your end [21:53:09] Izno: I just banned them [21:53:22] ok, I will also spam Skizzerz next time. ;) [21:54:06] it's... unfortunately rather common, lot of spambots on matrix right now [21:54:18] sure [21:54:28] just didn't know who else to spam in the case of spam [21:54:58] moonmoon - non intuitive for sure.... since teh help says "Enter the username that will be used to connect to the database during the installation process. This is not the username of the MediaWiki account; this is the username for your database." - which is.... frustrating. And since I was able to make it happen with the debian image as [21:54:59] root@mysql and not in the ubuntu root@mysql looks so #$^^ing annoying.... ;) I'm going to dump back to an older debian version and try to do mediawiki from source instead. I just wanted 1.39 to use the extensions... [21:55:32] elemental_2005: not a mediawiki thing, it's a mysql thing. Perhaps just on ubuntu, maybe on other distros [21:56:01] the underlying reason is that you really shouldn't be putting your mysql root password in config files or as the main user that's using the db from a webapp [21:56:22] if mysql root is compromised it can do a *lot* of damage [21:56:38] thanks moonmoon. I appreciate it. Just as an aging admin, I prefer to run with packages and package managers - in the idea that upgrades should be package based. Want to build something that will upgrade easily as distros move forward. [21:57:05] And yes, I feel ya on mysql root user.... but none of my machines are multi user, so that helps. But sure, is not totally secure [21:57:25] at least linode is pretty quick about just rebuilding. ;) [21:57:36] well it's more that say you get the ability to run arbitrary SQL as an attacker. With root I can escalate that into writing files on-disk [21:58:05] which then gives me persistent access or the ability to execute arbitrary programs (as opposed to just queries), which could lead to a more thorough compromise [23:06:25] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserGroups [23:06:36] anyone knows why this extensions doesnt acually apply anything [23:09:03] and it doesnt apply anything' [23:37:48] wow... so put a new image in place, reinstalled... put mediawiki in /var/www/html... and it complained about three PHP modules to install. So I installed them. And it still says I need to install them - is there a PHP command for "hey, I just installed modules, can you look and see that I installed them" ? command? [23:39:11] php -m shows them as installed. [23:41:34] okay, apache2 reload does that. continuing forward! :) [23:44:39] making progress. installed a debian 11 image.... told apt-get to install wikimedia - but then installed all but wikimedia dependencies. Then grabbed the tarball of wikimedia, installed that and am chasing a few smaller dependencies. Maybe this is the way [23:45:06] The environment has been checked. You can install MediaWiki. [23:45:08] woohoo!