[04:33:28] Hey everyone, I've just tried to upgrade from 1.37.0 to 1.39.5 (yes I know, well out of date). I did the upgrade but I get an error now when loading the pages: "Fatal exception of type "mysqli_sql_exception"" [05:39:15] OK I did a bit more digging, I can upgrade to 1.38.7 but if I go from there to 1.39.5 I get the issue again. [06:18:35] OK going from 1.38.7 to 1.39.0 and then increment .1 each time works fine.. Not sure why it fails with the other jump. [08:40:35] KombuchaKip: If there are issues with the installing the debian package, i'm sure the team would live some tasks raised in phabricator about it:) https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1694/ [14:39:14] Respected Sir and Mam , I am new to open source contribution and I am really interested in contributing to Wikimedia . Can anyone please guide me from where should I start ? [14:42:28] !start | Avinesh [14:42:28] Avinesh: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker [14:47:52] We should update wm-bot to link to https://developer.wikimedia.org/ instead of that confusing wikipage [14:57:15] eh, that requires a "trusted user" according to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wm-bot . Looking at the user list I guess that's only Reedy on this channel? :-/ Would be cool to tell wm-bot that !start is https://developer.wikimedia.org/ (or whatever is required) [14:59:49] Vulpix andre Thanku Sir [15:00:41] Avinesh, sure (PS: I might not be a "sir" :) [15:00:58] (see also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_Developers#Communication_tips ) [15:43:23] I trust: petan!.*@2a01:430:224::180 (2admin), [15:43:23] @trusted [15:48:38] eh :-/ [15:51:43] I trust: petan!.*@2a01:430:224::180 (2admin), .*@wikimedia/BDavis-WMF (2admin), [15:51:43] @trusted [15:52:47] !start is https://developer.wikimedia.org/ [15:52:47] This key already exists - remove it, if you want to change it [15:53:09] !start del [15:53:10] Successfully removed start [15:53:12] !start is https://developer.wikimedia.org/ [15:53:12] Key was added [15:53:19] !start | andre [15:53:19] andre: https://developer.wikimedia.org/ [15:53:26] andre: better? [15:54:13] bd808: <3 !!! [15:56:44] Successfully added .*@wikimedia/reedy [15:56:44] @trustadd .*@wikimedia/reedy admin [15:58:11] Successfully added .*@wikipedia/Legoktm [15:58:11] @trustadd .*@wikipedia/Legoktm admin [15:59:47] Successfully added .*@wikipedia/AntiCompositeNumber [15:59:47] @trustadd .*@wikipedia/AntiCompositeNumber admin [16:01:09] Successfully added .*@user/timstarling [16:01:09] @trustadd .*@user/timstarling admin [16:01:32] Hopefully that's enough folks to keep the bot updated for a while. [16:06:13] Successfully added .*@user/andre [16:06:13] @trustadd .*@user/andre trusted [16:06:26] thank yoU! [16:07:03] andre: everyone thinks you are a bot already, so :) [16:07:11] heh [16:07:27] could not parse the last command [16:31:06] finally, robotic beings rule the world. the humans are dead [19:02:44] tbh not sure if linking to developer.wikimedia.org actually makes sense in the context of #mediawiki [19:03:15] because if you follow through the chain of clicks to find mediawiki contributions, it... takes you to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker anyway [19:03:23] so if that page sucks, we should fix it [19:32:11] moonmoon: You assume that people ask about MediaWiki. They do not. [19:32:23] See above: "contributing to Wikimedia", not MediaWiki. [19:32:37] developer.wikimedia.org also covers MediaWiki, so it's the best place to link to. [19:32:56] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker does not "suck". It's just an extremely specific page that people often did not ask for. [19:35:04] Most folks don't know https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Differences_between_Wikipedia,_Wikimedia,_MediaWiki,_and_wiki anyway so #mediawiki is a good channel to start with as it looks pretty much like #wikimedia [19:37:32] vast majority of the questions in here are properly mediawiki-related but *shrug* [19:46:32] Personally I don't think any of the newcomer onboarding for mediawiki is really that great [19:47:44] I wouldn't go as far as "suck", but i think it doesn't actually cover the right skills to actually become a succesful mediawiki developer [19:48:10] I'd prefer more example tutorial type projects [19:49:18] While there's a bunch i do like about developers.wikimedia.org, it does seem kind of a weird choice for this channel, as the mediawiki content is burried very deep in it [19:50:47] Like lets say you don't care at all about Wikimedia (Many MediaWiki users don't after all). To get to content about mediawiki development from developers.wikimedia.org, you have to click on "Contribute to Wikimedia open source" -> "contribute by topic" -> "mediawiki" [19:51:58] If someone shows up here, with a question like - "I want to write an extension to customize MediaWiki for a wiki I run about a video game" - the developers.wikimedia.org would be a pretty bad link as they have to click on a bunch of links describing things they don't want to do in order to get relavent information [19:53:02] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker has some bizare choices on it [19:54:05] The reccomended way to become a MediaWiki hacker is to *checks notes* contribute to a firefox extension about sign language, or a c++ app for reading wikipedia offline [19:55:23] Like if someone actually wants to contribute to mediawiki, 95% of the information on How to become a MediaWiki hacker are irrelavent or things I wouldn't point a new contributor at [19:57:32] e.g. I wouldn't suggest reading the mysql manual as a starting point [19:57:54] It may very well have useful info, but generally not first task info [19:58:30] * bawolff inb4 someone tells me that its a wiki and I should {{sofixit}} or help out if i feel that way instead of complaining :) [19:59:40] And to be clear, its not like i'm objecting to kiwix being featured prominently. If they have mentoring resources that's great. MediaWiki core certainly doesn't do a great job at mentoring. Its just trying to cover all possibilities that someone might be interested means that people specificly intrested in mediawiki don't have a lot to go on [19:59:42] it's not a wiki, it's a static site generator [19:59:51] you should! and I'd gladly help, except...I think we both have been around a bit "too" long to write super duper useful "newcomer" info ;-) [20:00:01] AntiComposite: lol, its a git repo then :P [20:00:17] But actually i was referring to the mw.org How to become a hacker page [20:01:27] I mean, it also doesn't help I have some unpopular opinions about mw development that many other developers (very reasonably) disagree with [20:01:50] Why use git-review when you could just memorize git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master. It just rolls off the tounge ;) [20:01:58] And don't even get me started about vagrant :) [20:10:46] dunno what git-review was supposed to do but in practise it turned out to be quite a blocker for quite a many git newbies -- I, too, struggled with it quite a lot whereas "git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master" was a game-changer [20:11:17] And really if it is hard to remember, you can just make a git alias for it [20:12:53] .bash_history ftw ;) [20:14:39] I was working on a project hosted on github, and found myself accidentally typing git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master [20:18:06] just move everything back to E:CodeReview >.> <.< [20:25:28] unironically yes :DD [22:32:59] I made a script named 2gerrit years ago for that