[04:12:36] <DirtyVicar>	 Hello, I am trying to help set up a wiki, and we are verifying email addresses before allowing posting, how do I edit the page Special:CreateAccount to tell the user they must verify?
[04:26:36] <DirtyVicar>	 Hello?\
[04:39:41] <DirtyVicar>	 Ah, nevermind, I found &uselang=qqx and fixed it.
[04:45:41] <DirtyVicar>	 I have a different problem, the wiki often redirects me (and others) to the http: page instead of the https: page
[05:12:09] <DirtyVicar>	 it seems like it always happens when I log in
[05:24:02] <DirtyVicar>	 and the wiki redirects me back to the page i was on
[05:59:44] <DirtyVicar>	 but it's the http instead of the https
[07:49:52] <DirtyVicar>	 is there anyone here besides me?
[07:52:24] <gromit>	 DirtyVicar: yes
[07:52:33] <DirtyVicar>	 cool, hi!
[07:53:15] <DirtyVicar>	 it's been about 2 decades since I last irc'd  perhaps three
[07:53:27] <gromit>	 DirtyVicar: did you set $wgServer or $wgProto properly? 
[07:53:50] <DirtyVicar>	 huh, I thinkso , let me go check. brb
[07:55:55] <DirtyVicar>	 Yup, that was proball iy, it was set to http instead of https because I set up the wiki before I set up the certificate.
[07:58:45] <DirtyVicar>	 yup, that fixed it. Thanks a ton!
[07:58:51] <DirtyVicar>	 you in the US?
[08:03:10] <gromit>	 DirtyVicar: \o/ great we got it fixed
[08:03:33] <gromit>	 DirtyVicar: no in Germany
[08:03:52] <DirtyVicar>	 I am trying to attract people familiar with the wiki operations to americaneedscommonsense.org  --   A wiki meant to bring US citizens together to come to a consensus and  tell the politicians what the PEOPLE want instead of what the donor class wants.
[08:04:29] <DirtyVicar>	 Germany, cool ! I am planning to visit germany for next year's vacation
[08:05:12] <DirtyVicar>	 Thanks again for your help
[08:05:41] <DirtyVicar>	 If I can buy you a beer on my visit, I would like that.
[08:32:37] <DirtyVicar>	 gnite! see you tomorrow
[12:23:56] <xtex>	 How long can a refresh token (from OAuth API) remain useable after access token is expired?
[12:48:23] <Lucas_WMDE>	 xtex: if you’re talking about OAuth 2, AFAIK the refresh tokens are valid basically indefinitely
[12:49:18] <xtex>	 Lucas_WMDE: but why https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OAuth#Configuration says the default value of wgOAuth2RefreshTokenTTL is one minute?
[12:50:35] <Lucas_WMDE>	 huh, that’s interesting
[12:50:46] <Lucas_WMDE>	 apparently in production we set it to 365 days (rather than “infinity” as I thought) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/operations/mediawiki-config/+/a63aefe9eb/wmf-config/CommonSettings.php#3608
[12:50:54] <Lucas_WMDE>	 I don’t know why the default is so extremely short
[12:51:42] <xtex>	 ops
[12:53:13] <Lucas_WMDE>	 looking at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/OAuth/+/544919?tab=comments it looks like it was initially hard-coded to one month and then made configurable
[12:54:37] <Lucas_WMDE>	 was added in PS21 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/OAuth/+/544919/20..21/extension.json
[12:55:29] <Lucas_WMDE>	 maybe someone wanted to be extra cautious while OAuth 2 was still new, at least for wikis that didn’t need it anyway
[12:55:36] <Lucas_WMDE>	 and that’s why it was only increased in Wikimedia production?
[12:55:37] <Lucas_WMDE>	 idk
[12:55:47] <Lucas_WMDE>	 I feel like there’s a good chance the default could be raised, at least
[12:55:56] <Lucas_WMDE>	 but I don’t know who would be able to review that change (I wouldn’t feel comfortable to merge it)
[21:18:33] <RhinosF1>	 Amir1: can you review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/Ie39b3330c3afffa670545413b943e5fcb6d24cf7 's backports