[10:42:12] Reedy: hopefully this is a quick one: https://packagist.org/packages/mediawiki/core says the package is abandoned, but I was pondering actually installing MW with a composer.json - is the notice accurate? [11:09:14] I imagine package is marked that way because using it is definitely not officially supported nor encouraged by mediawiki devs [11:22:24] yeah I guess, I'll find some other way to do it I think [11:23:10] I wanted a good way to get Renovate to grok the MediaWiki version we're using so we can follow releases more easily; currently I'm using a git submodule which is awful [11:31:23] There is the debian package as well which is maintained by a few people in here [11:34:51] bootc: fyi, it used to be possible to install MediaWiki *extensions* via composer, but that’s now somewhere between “deprecated” and “totally non-functional” as far as I know https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249573 [11:34:59] I haven’t even heard of installing mediawiki itself via composer tbh [11:35:08] but I would assume it’s similarly unsupported [11:35:25] maybe that task (or the RFC https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T467) has some more useful information for you… [11:36:42] yeah, fair enough, thanks [11:53:50] I don't think installing extensions via composer was ever not deprecated. However its still very much functional [11:53:58] As people still do it [11:54:20] It is a bit of a culture clash i think. The SemanticMediaWiki crowd absolutely loves composer [11:55:43] MW core folks more tend to think composer should be used to managed mediawiki dependencies, but extensions are not dependencies, if anything, MW is a dependency of the extension, but then what is your root project, and the whole dependency model becomes very messy [11:56:21] I'm generalizing a bit here, obviously there are lot of differences of opinions [16:59:41] Hello friends, I ran into a problem today that my wiki (1.39) is randomly becoming very slow to load, I have been manually testing it and found sometime it can take more than 10 seconds to load, it used to only take 1-2 seconds. this seems happening randomly during the day, sometime when I try it works perfectly fine, but then say after 5mins I [16:59:41] come back and try again, it becomes slow again (tried different browser and different computer, same problem)... Could it be a database problem? [17:06:08] it also feels that the more I refresh the page, the slower it becomes, sometime the first 10 or so refreshes is good, then it becomes very slow (taking 10+ seconds to load) in following refreshes... [17:28:20] Guest27: could be some cache expiring or job queue if it is not configured to run separately... or something completely different [17:39:20] good point, let me check job queue first [17:42:39] just did php showJobs.php and it is showing 0 jobs..