[00:01:45] PROBLEM - apt on tools2002 is WARNING: APT WARNING: 1 packages available for upgrade (0 critical updates). [04:51:49] PROBLEM - apt on bots2002 is WARNING: APT WARNING: 1 packages available for upgrade (0 critical updates). [17:41:56] PROBLEM - apt on db2002 is WARNING: APT WARNING: 1 packages available for upgrade (0 critical updates). [20:09:52] RhinosF1, for non-directors of FOSSbots, will the requirement be to provide our name, address, e-mail address, to you along with the NDA, and not actual copies if photo ID? [20:12:39] oh nevermind, I see there is a grandfathering clause, but still curious to know for new users not having previously held a Miraheze Limited NDA [20:15:07] RhinosF1, I have a concern as to potential severance impacts under UK legislation by the use of the word 'employee'. I'd suggest changing the language to 'volunteer' [20:15:13] in the Founders Agreement [20:15:24] but I'm not a director, but something to consider [20:18:03] dmehus: where does it say employee [20:18:37] for anyone after September, you'd have to go through ID&V which would include a copy of photo ID [20:18:49] Blame ugochimobi [20:20:19] I'll have a check through the employee ones [20:20:25] A few might need a quick tweak [20:20:45] RhinosF1, in the Founders Agreement [20:20:53] dmehus: yeah I see [20:20:56] I'll tweak it [20:21:07] I don't think it massively changes the effect [20:21:17] and oh, I have concerns if you used Ugochimobi's agreement, per the whole `famepediawiki` fiasco. I would've consulted me or Owen [20:21:38] RhinosF1, it should be fine. Might have to get Ryan and Paul to re-sign the agreement though [20:22:43] I don't see why I should have to provide photo ID, that was one of my objections, aside from lack of clear budget and funding requirements, for declining to serve on the board. [20:23:05] RhinosF1: is ^ negotiable? [20:25:00] Chiefly because Miraheze Limited does not require collection of photo identification to sign an NDA, so I see no reason for FOSSbots Limited to implement that onerous requirement. That also raises a whole spectre of potential compliance issues (i.e., UK ICO) and legal liability issues for FOSSbots Limited, I suspect [20:26:07] dmehus: the agreement isn't signed yet. Voting comes before signing. [20:26:53] And ID collection is to check identity because ugochimobi caused a mess when he lost 2FA and we couldn't verify based on NDA data [20:27:02] What he'd given was misleading [20:27:17] that's what I meant by blame ugochimobi [20:28:06] And the ID&V will likely be done by a third party, we can tweak settings to limit how long it's kept & whether we need to actually see a person's ID photo [20:28:33] it's negotiable whether we have to see your ID and/or whether we do a UK sanctions check [20:28:38] for non-directors [20:28:44] RhinosF1, right, but that shouldn't be a requirement to accept an NDA; that can be a suggested practice [20:28:48] You're still passing ID&V somehow though [20:29:11] dmehus: verifying information is fairly basic. You'd have to pass some form of verification. [20:29:40] Umm.. well, in my case, you can literally verify my personal information at https://www.securities-administrators.ca/ as a former British Columbia Securities Commission licensed person [20:29:42] [url] Homepage - Canadian Securities Administrators | www.securities-administrators.ca [20:30:25] but I don't see why UK sanctions would apply to holding shell access on a VPS hosted by FOSSbots? It's not a requirement that cloud service providers have to do sanctions checks :) [20:30:51] dmehus: that's why I said I'm not bothered if you pass that part [20:31:33] For ID&V, as long as government or regulated body can confirm in English that the you are you, I'm not fussed [20:31:48] RhinosF1, okay, so that part is flexible for some individuals (particularly grandfathered individuals) and alternate methods exist for non-grandfathered individuals? I suspect we'd lose Reception123 otherwise [20:32:44] dmehus: as long as you can prove you are you using something in a language I can check [20:32:46] It's fine [20:33:07] The sanctions bit is mainly only for directors, I may disable that for normal people [20:33:54] It's not me doing ID&V though [20:34:05] So we don't have to keep your ID [20:38:42] ID&V is not finalised yet [21:45:46] [[Access to Information]] on botswiki was edited by RhinosF1 with the following comment: Created page with "DRAFT To access private information, two things must be met: * A valid ID&V check must be completed * A signed NDA must be in effect == ID&V Standard == * We will check the identity Link: [21:45:47] https://wiki.mirahezebots.org/w/index.php?oldid=4806&rcid=1692 [21:53:39] dmehus: have I solved all of your pre voting issues [21:54:03] * RhinosF1 will be awake like half an hour