[00:19:36] That was rather awkward. [00:36:40] What? the bots? [00:45:02] No, the entire conversation you had during midnight. [00:48:06] this conversation here? is related to bots according to a user's complaint in SN [01:05:10] Yeah, pretty much. [01:08:26] I don't understand what you're trying to say here [02:27:38] Well, let's just drop it anyway. [02:44:07] See, this conversation is indeed rather awkward [02:45:56] And I am quite annoyed that SuperSoul has been refusing to listen to why we banned articles on real people and/or users on our local RfC. It was ultimately decided that we, as local administrators of the Qualitipedia Network ban articles on said people and/or users. I think it's best for SuperSoul to read our Qualitipedia policy that we have locally first. [02:46:18] At this point SuperSoul in my opinion is best left unfed [02:46:37] He's been informed of or exposed to everything he needs to know [02:46:57] Yeah, hence the reason why I think we should stop interacting with the user, as it would only fuel the fire even more. [02:46:59] And has more or less gone off about the ignorance/stupidity of Miraheze in spite of having that context [02:47:12] Glad we're in agreement [04:19:38] I know it's good to drop that, but which of my conversations are you referring to as "weird" and why? It would be great to explain this to me. I really didn't understand. [19:36:02] https://publictestwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=20273 @RhinosF1 I'm confused as to why this user was blocked for abuse of rights. [19:36:04] [url] All public logs - TestWiki | publictestwiki.com [19:37:02] @DarkMatterMan4500: the block they made [19:37:49] https://publictestwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=20269 @RhinosF1 Oh, you mean this? Yeah, that block they made on YellowFrogger was definitely uncalled for. [19:37:51] [url] All public logs - TestWiki | publictestwiki.com [19:38:15] yes [19:39:40] It's true YellowFrogger has done some questionable things recently within the span of a month, but that user shouldn't have blocked him on the testwiki for such a ridiculous reason. [19:41:02] that account is an hour old [19:42:10] There's some funny business going on here. [19:43:21] that's why they blocked [19:44:24] don't independents wikis have their own policies though? [19:44:37] i'm a local consul [19:44:45] oh ok [19:45:10] Yeah, but the Public Test Wiki is a different story, as it is governed with Miraheze Meta. [19:45:22] yeah got it at first [19:45:23] no it's not [19:45:48] it's a semi-official independant wiki [19:46:03] Oh yeah, that's right. [19:49:36] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Agent_Isai&diff=prev&oldid=230071&diffmode=source Hmmm, this is odd. [19:49:38] [url] Difference between revisions of "User talk:Agent Isai" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [19:55:56] ptw runs on its own, but is administratively connected to meta [19:56:50] Best comparison I can make for lmpuny is that they work like non-qp reception wikis work to qp central; share management, culture, design but not under the control of qp [19:58:30] I strongly believe that user is "The zone" [19:58:36] Based on their mannerisms and wiki request [19:58:43] Also pattern of speech [20:00:02] @Agent You and @YellowFrogger did make a good point about that. But I'm not sure what @Void or @Doug will say about this though. [20:01:43] They confirmed they are: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/22454#mw-section-comments [20:01:45] [url] Wiki requests queue - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [20:03:00] If they are in fact 'the zone', it would be up to them to appropriately cu and verify [20:03:03] So they have confessed. If The zone went onto the Public Test Wiki, then that account would be blocked instantly. [20:03:07] oh [20:03:16] raidarr: if they confirmed can you lock [20:04:06] Yeah, they admitted [20:04:26] :) [20:04:55] [[Special:MultiLock]] To make it easy, here's this. [20:04:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:MultiLock [20:04:55]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:MultiLock [20:04:56] [url] Permission error - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [20:05:32] This is quickly getting a bit odd, I'm not seeing The zone with global account actions on them [20:06:16] He's bizarre, but I'm not sure what the jurisdictional grounds are to lock for association exactly [20:09:50] "The zone" isn't locked either so that's that. If The zone is ALT anti ladybug team too, perhaps that might be an edge case of a User accounts policy violation but a Steward would need to lock then [20:10:33] Maybe @Void could check them out, if he's up for it? :/ [20:10:47] Aside from the use of multiple accounts for strange behavior there's not much I think I could action here [20:11:01] And the strange behavior itself I do think is more the field of Steward discretion [20:11:02] As they haven't engaged in any vandalism, I concur [20:11:32] One of them did engage in abusive behavior on the Public Test Wiki which got their rights revoked. [20:13:26] (i.e https://publictestwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=20269) In this example, One of the accounts did block @YellowFrogger for such a ridiculous and trivial reason like "acting like a granny's. [20:13:28] [url] All public logs - TestWiki | publictestwiki.com [20:14:54] Then we do have the domino effect from the Rn001 Projects (or whatever their username is) causing disruption on some pages. That's quite odd. [20:15:23] Well yes but since they're an actual person and have engaged in non-vandalistic discussion on Meta, I don't think they can be locked for being a "spam-only/vandalism-only" account. Sanctions on one wiki don't always equal global sanctions so, assuming good faith, they'd probably be let off with a warning at most. [20:15:41] Having issues on one wiki inherently is not grounds for a lock [20:15:53] I agree. I think ALT anti ladybug team, Rn 001 wiki making, The zone and the newest user are all related [20:15:55] Right, I think that might be the best option at this time. [20:16:00] It's if the issue is prolific, blockable disruption across multiple wiki that is the key [20:16:23] The alt, rn, and zone line of accounts I do think is worth investigation [20:17:35] You think? This is definitely odd and (probably deceptive) behavior as I've been seeing this go on for a while now. [20:18:00] Deceptive, perhaps [20:18:03] I'll ask them if they are [20:21:06] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anpang&diff=prev&oldid=230085&diffmode=source This user just proceeded to ask this question to Anpang, but this is odd coming from someone who was blocked on the Public Test Wiki for their abusive use of their Sysop right. [20:21:08] [url] Difference between revisions of "User talk:Anpang" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [20:21:52] It's consistent with the style of questioning the user has employed so far. [20:22:20] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Agent_Isai&diff=prev&oldid=230089&diffmode=source YellowFrogger even pointed this out. [20:22:23] [url] Difference between revisions of "User talk:Agent Isai" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [20:22:53] @Stewards Care to look at what we have uncovered so far? [20:23:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Agent_Isai&diff=prev&oldid=230090&diffmode=source They admitted it. [20:23:25] [url] Difference between revisions of "User talk:Agent Isai" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [20:24:18] I would probably recommend here that a Steward plant a stake in the issue by asking about the association between all four of usual style asking for confirmation, noting the bizarre behavior and warning against it as potentially disruptive, particularly with a note to stay on one account and putting a pin in the various things they've done as an official warning [20:27:15] They admitted they're all 3 suspected accounts: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/22454#mw-section-comments [20:27:16] [url] Wiki requests queue - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [20:27:20] I think either Void or JohnLewis could take a crack at looking at it. [20:28:42] Or maybe dmehus / @Doug. [21:06:19] https://publictestwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%20talk:Octahedron%20foundation&diff=prev&oldid=40828 @RhinosF1 They're still persisting on using the "It's just one mistake" excuse to try to justify their disruptive behavior. [21:06:26] [url] Difference between revisions of "User talk:Octahedron foundation" - TestWiki | publictestwiki.com [21:24:13] @YellowFrogger I do suggest not getting into it with reversions on Agent's talk page, especially without a summary for rationale as it leaves a reasonable window to revert the undo. [21:31:55] @DarkMatterMan4500 This guy is definitely a fake Rn project 001 wiki account. Besides that it reverts the edits I reverted to it. ALT Anti Lady bug, Rn 0001, The zone, and now this guy: all the same person (besides he must be a troll) [21:32:43] There's no doubt he is the same user behaviorally. [21:32:57] Yes, or rather, it doesn't even fuel it, he looks like a troll that wants attention (plus he reverses my edits too). [21:33:20] yes, even the writing is similar [21:33:46] It definitely merits a closer inspection and a message about it, but ideally from the top for a cleaner discussion. I notice even as it is, that is a key issue with dispute resolution; conversation including inputs from many muddies the points. [21:34:01] What did he revert aside from your reversion of him? [21:36:56] My edits (which I reverted from him, following Dmehus' example) as he doesn't seem to be wanting help, he's wanting people to waste time with him. He wants to know the list of wiki creators in [[User talk:Anpang]], so I reverted his edit and he reverted my edit again. [21:36:56] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Anpang [21:36:57]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Anpang [21:36:58] [url] User talk:Anpang - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [21:37:22] This is a matter I would leave to a meta admin, then. [21:37:23] Command sent from Discord by DarkMatterMan4500: [21:37:24] .tell dmehus to give Rn projects 001 wiki, ALT Anti Ladybug, The zone and Octahedron foundation a look when he comes online and sees this going down. [21:37:24] MH-Discord: I'll pass that on when dmehus is around. [21:37:50] Although I am inclined to possibly leave a message on his profile on my own accord about the various accounts and activity. It'll need to be constructed carefully if I do. [21:38:26] To those who are going to tell me that this will only work if I'm on IRC, well, I'm at my grandma's house right now. [21:38:49] Yes, I'm inclined to ask for a checkuser of these accounts with the help of @dmehus, maybe [21:41:24] It would be to verify an unconfirmed link or to establish connection with lta/other account behavior, as the connection between them is quite clear [21:54:18] Exactly, including the writing style (in putting the words together with the signature). Unfortunately, he's been using multiple accounts (to fool around, because he never determines he's an Alt), and he still goes on the wiki creators/non-wiki creators talk pages with repetitive questions. Dmehus had already warned him about this. [22:02:39] Indeed, it's deceptive behavior. [22:09:39] They admitted they're all connected btw [22:09:42] On the wiki request [22:10:09] I asked and they confirmed that they are the person behind ALT anti ladybug team, Rn 001 wiki making, and The zone [22:10:12] Yeah, so a CU would only function to see if there are other unknown/less obvious aliases [22:10:17] yeah [22:12:22] Where did they say it on? [22:12:49] Oh, guess I didn't read that part. [22:13:45] This is why @Doug should investigate this strange case of abuse with those accounts intentionally causing disruption. [23:34:57] [[Special:CentralAuth/PNY10004]] A brand new account immediately started creating these: https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?diff=230118 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Diff/230117 Either they are a returning editor, or someone else. I thought it was strange for this editor to also trigger the abuse filters: https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=PNY10004 [23:34:57] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/PNY10004 [23:34:58]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/PNY10004 [23:34:59] [url] Difference between revisions of "Module:LuaCall" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [23:35:02] [url] Difference between revisions of "Template:Invoke" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [23:35:02] [url] Global account information for PNY10004 - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [23:35:03] [url] Abuse filter log - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [23:36:44] I also don't want to [[w:WP:BITE]] a newcomer (if they are one) for creating these templates, but I think the template and the module they've created looked alright to me. [23:36:44] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:BITE [23:42:35] Yes, I figured it out. I've already asked about the reasons for these templates that don't seem to be necessary. And it's weird. [23:43:12] It's another bit of bizarre behavior [23:43:33] What they created has little apparent function, but seems to me might exist to try and appeal a block [23:44:07] In addition, I had fix their terrible grammar in order to make it so it's inline with our policies (I say "our" because we're a community). [23:45:37] Good convention in other words. [23:45:46] It's nice that they decided to create a couple of things, but I thought it was odd. [23:46:06] Creation is as much a question of purpose in the design as it is the act of creating, if that makes sense. [23:46:13] In other words if it doesn't add anything, it's worth inquiry. [23:46:24] Good point.