[02:58:39] [[Special:CentralAuth/LEZZI BIGHELLONI IO VI BANNO TUTTI]] @raidarr Our old friend, the Nonciclopedia LTA has returned. [02:58:39] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/LEZZI_BIGHELLONI_IO_VI_BANNO_TUTTI [02:58:39] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/LEZZI_BIGHELLONI_IO_VI_BANNO_TUTTI [02:58:40] [url] Global account information for LEZZI BIGHELLONI IO VI BANNO TUTTI - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [03:00:37] pre emptively eliminated for UP violation, on top of reasonable suspicion that it is indeed our typical lta [03:00:44] Indeed. [03:00:52] can't act much more tonight I'm afraid [03:01:14] Off to bed? Well, good night to you. [03:01:17] šŸ™‚ [03:01:30] been around rather late as it is [03:02:00] Well, good night to you then. šŸ™‚ I'll be heading off to bed shortly anyway. [03:02:24] > the username literally means "big dolls get lessons ill ban you all" [03:03:00] No kidding. It sounded utterly weak and pathetic for a username. [03:03:18] > yes [10:12:10] dmehus I saw the message you sent to the sock, and ideally, I'd like him to create his own wiki on a wiki farm, so he can write down pages containing stuff he likes and hates (preferably away from our wikis and such and focusing on his own). [10:13:40] I'm willing to give him another chance to be on Miraheze, but the childish behavior (like the false accusations or the trolling) should stop at once, as it should be quite clear that we won't tolerate it whatsoever. [13:13:33] [[Special:CentralAuth/Big -=. ƶils]] @CVT This user has been creating nonsense pages, and has been vandalizing the main page. [13:13:33] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Big_-%3d._%c3%b6ils [13:13:33] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Big_-=._ƶils [13:13:35] [url] Global account information for Big -=. ƶils - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [13:14:03] https://paraverse.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Big_-%3D._%C3%B6ils As shown from their edit history. [13:14:06] [url] User contributions for Big -=. ƶils - Paraverse | paraverse.miraheze.org [13:15:10] blocking locally [13:15:17] Okay, thank you. [13:15:25] $log locally blocked a user on paraversewiki for vandalism [13:15:35] Saved item "locally blocked a user on paraversewiki for vandalism" [13:16:22] Hah, reception beat me [13:16:43] can't let you have them all šŸ˜„ [13:16:52] But frankly there is something weird about that wiki now that I actually look [13:16:56] $log and reverted pages created by said user [13:17:04] Saved item "and reverted pages created by said user" [13:17:05] @raidarr oh? [13:17:29] it's brand new, the admin has a slightly curious name, and I just have a gut feeling that cvt action may have been toopre emptive here [13:17:42] Toopre? [13:18:01] are you suspecting it of being an anarchy / vandalism only wiki? [13:18:13] I do know there have been some rare cases where people just created wikis to do random things like that on them [13:18:16] I'm not sure, going to take a look at the request [13:18:29] good god the queue is full this morning [13:19:04] ok, it was completely out of scope for the wiki request, so cvt action makes sense [13:19:07] I think this may require an investigation into that account, and even the requester, as this is pretty suspicious behavior if you ask me. [13:19:10] don't mind me, I might just be paranoid [13:19:37] it is 100% possible in good faith that the wiki was sniped by spam at the start, and it is condusive to give it a chance and help out the new guy in the assumption he is indeed in order [13:19:51] Okay. [13:21:29] Ok, let me handle the move page issue [13:21:35] it's gotten way more messy than it should be [13:21:38] Alright. You go and do that. [13:26:52] $log cleaned up move page vandalism and mild confusion on [[mh:paraverse|paraversewiki]] [13:26:52] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/paraverse [13:27:00] Saved item "cleaned up move page vandalism and mild confusion on [[mh:paraverse|paraversewiki]]" [13:27:00] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/paraverse [13:27:48] wm-bot: no [13:27:57] I am running http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM-Bot version wikimedia bot v. 2.8.1.0 [libirc v. 1.0.3] my source code is licensed under GPL and located at https://github.com/benapetr/wikimedia-bot I will be very happy if you fix my bugs or implement new features [13:27:57] @help [13:28:12] @interwiki [13:29:50] Permission denied [13:29:50] @configure default-link-wiki miraheze [13:29:50] ah yes, I noticed it really doesn't handle interwiki well [13:29:55] I trust: dmehus!.*@miraheze/Dmehus (2admin), .*@miraheze/Void (2admin), .*@miraheze/John (2admin), .*@miraheze/Reception123 (2admin), .*@miraheze/.* (2trusted), [13:29:55] @trusted [13:30:09] Could one of you lovely folks do you what I just did [13:30:13] Reception123: ^ [13:30:20] And maybe make raidarr admin too [13:30:41] raidarr: it does if you set it right [13:30:45] Until I'm more familiar with the bot I probably shouldn't have the right [13:31:07] and yeah, I don't preclude a configuration error, it's just an error that has been happening for a while now [13:32:04] Successfully added raidarr [13:32:04] @trustadd raidarr admin [13:32:11] I trust: dmehus!.*@miraheze/Dmehus (2admin), .*@miraheze/Void (2admin), .*@miraheze/John (2admin), .*@miraheze/Reception123 (2admin), .*@miraheze/.* (2trusted), raidarr (2admin), [13:32:11] @trusted [13:32:23] Reception123: that doesn't feel like the right way [13:32:33] It should be .*@user/raidarr [13:36:29] yeah, that's my 'full' irc name [13:39:33] @userdel raidarr [13:39:35] @useradd .*@user/raidarr [13:39:40] User was deleted from access list [13:39:40] @trustdel raidarr [13:39:42] Wrong number of parameters, go fix it - example @trustadd regex (admin|trusted) [13:39:42] @trustadd .*@user/raidarr [13:39:50] Wrong number of parameters, go fix it - example @trustadd regex (admin|trusted) [13:39:50] @trustadd @user/raidarr [13:40:03] Successfully added .*@user/raidarr [13:40:03] @trustadd .*@user/raidarr admin [13:40:17] @trsuted [13:40:21] I trust: dmehus!.*@miraheze/Dmehus (2admin), .*@miraheze/Void (2admin), .*@miraheze/John (2admin), .*@miraheze/Reception123 (2admin), .*@miraheze/.* (2trusted), .*@user/raidarr (2admin), [13:40:21] @trusted [13:40:25] Yes! [13:40:37] any suggestion for a non-controversial test command just to be sure [14:29:23] [[Special:CentralAuth/Jenijn]] Meanwhile, I noticed just about an hour ago that this user made an Anti-semitic comment that I have removed on the rottenwebsiteswiki: https://rottenwebsites.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log/comments/Jenijn https://rottenwebsites.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=47546 I'd probably warn them myself, but they look like a returning user, like possibly Jabgidge who also wrote [14:29:23] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Jenijn [14:29:24] some rather similar comments, including some of his socks like these examples: https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/w/index.php?action=historysubmit&type=logging&title=Unused&revisiondelete=1&ids%5B83025%5D=1&ids%5B83012%5D=1&ids%5B82985%5D=1&ids%5B82951%5D=1&ids%5B81966%5D=1&ids%5B81964%5D=1&ids%5B81468%5D=1&ids%5B81467%5D=1&ids%5B81466%5D=1&ids%5B81465%5D=1&ids%5B81464%5D=1&ids%5B81423%5D=1&ids%5B81422%5D=1 (Jabgidge) [14:29:24] https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Redirect/logid/86974 (Jeudb) https://awfulmovies.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=75486 (Jhb) https://awfulmovies.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=75573 (Bsh) https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=89483 (Nshs) I have no doubt this is Jabgidge, especially if we count the anti-Semitic comment that was written about Viacom [14:29:25] on the rottenwebsiteswiki. [14:29:25] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Jenijn [14:29:26] [url] All public logs - Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki | terribletvshows.miraheze.org [14:29:26] [url] Comments log - Rotten Websites Wiki | rottenwebsites.miraheze.org [14:29:27] [url] Global account information for Jenijn - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [14:29:28] [url] All public logs - Rotten Websites Wiki | rottenwebsites.miraheze.org [14:29:29] [url] All public logs - Awful Movies Wiki | awfulmovies.miraheze.org [14:29:30] [url] Permission error - Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki | terribletvshows.miraheze.org [14:29:31] [url] All public logs - Awful Movies Wiki | awfulmovies.miraheze.org [14:29:32] [url] All public logs - Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki | terribletvshows.miraheze.org [16:05:42] You are trusted and identified by the name .*@miraheze/.* [16:05:42] @whoami [16:05:50] raidarr: that ^ [16:06:41] You are admin and identified by the name .*@user/raidarr [16:06:41] @whoami [16:06:53] sounds about right [16:07:28] except the part where '@who' is taken by the irc relay as a ping to a user :p [17:25:44] Congratulations @raidarr. You are now a Steward. [17:42:00] Thank you [17:43:06] I'll be relying on you just as much as I rely on dmehus. So, essentially, it's an equal 50/50 [17:43:57] hides [17:44:06] seeya on weekends [17:45:03] Rest assured that you, Doug, John and Void have just the equal amount of rights as any other Steward. [17:45:12] And I'm guessing that last part was likely a joke. [17:46:53] any other stewards would be testwiki, shoutwiki or wikimedia foundation :p be interesting to compare sometime [17:47:07] I'll bet. [18:38:06] [[Special:CentralAuth/Rootdeep]] @raidarr This user has been pretty malicious using what appears to be sockpuppet accounts. They've vandalized a page, with the following diffs below: https://polcompball.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Liberalism&diff=prev&oldid=159864 (Rootdeep) https://polcompball.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Liberalism&diff=prev&oldid=164261 (Bncfjgchhctgj) (This account even admits it in the edit [18:38:06] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Rootdeep [18:38:07] summary) https://polcompball.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Liberalism&diff=prev&oldid=165952 https://polcompball.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Liberalism&diff=next&oldid=165953 https://polcompball.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Liberalism&diff=prev&oldid=165964 (Sdgjhtydjndt) They all appear to be suspicious. [18:38:07] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Rootdeep [18:38:08] [url] Difference between revisions of "Liberalism" - Polcompball Wiki | polcompball.miraheze.org [18:38:09] [url] Difference between revisions of "Liberalism" - Polcompball Wiki | polcompball.miraheze.org [18:38:09] [url] Global account information for Rootdeep - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [18:38:09] [url] Difference between revisions of "Liberalism" - Polcompball Wiki | polcompball.miraheze.org [18:38:11] [url] Difference between revisions of "Liberalism" - Polcompball Wiki | polcompball.miraheze.org [18:38:12] [url] Difference between revisions of "Liberalism" - Polcompball Wiki | polcompball.miraheze.org [18:38:42] Since now that you're a brand new Steward. [18:44:20] Noted for further review likely in the evening [18:44:58] Okay. I know it's the first time for you using the CheckUser tools, but I'm sure you'll get the hang of it. šŸ™‚ [18:46:14] If it's as deep as it seems here there will be multiple steps in investigating, verifying and busting [18:47:43] raidarr: ping me across your personal email when you get the chance and I'll get you added to the stewards list. Also feel free to ping me if you need any support otherwise [18:55:26] @raidarr You're on fire today. [18:56:19] good thing there's snow on the ground [20:08:11] https://anypedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Andyyeung4 @Stewards Looks like the Andyyeung group strikes again with patent nonsense pages that don't exactly belong on a few wikis. [20:08:12] [url] User contributions for Andyyeung4 - Anypedia | anypedia.miraheze.org [20:11:07] I could have at the least pinged CVT anyway. [20:12:58] But in all seriousness, is anybody from @CVT around to delete some blatant nonsense on that wiki from that account? [20:14:53] Deleted [20:15:47] Thank you. And it's pretty much the same person as Andyyeung2 who inserted the exact same nonsense on Meta the other day. [20:20:05] OMG RAIDARR IS A STEWARD [20:20:28] Yep. [20:20:39] Didn't Doug or someone take a look at Andy recently [20:21:07] Yeah, and they were left with a warning, but suffice it to say, they continued it on other wikis. [20:22:22] Me and dmehus both warned the user to stop, but they proceeded to create new accounts to continue the disruption on different wikis. [20:23:36] I'm considering the merits of CU, especially if there is evidence of multiple account creation as you suggest [20:23:48] unless you meant just the fact he joined another wiki [20:27:06] I'm referencing both the former and the latter: https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User:Andyyeung2&oldid=236572 (Andyyeung2) And now, to compare it to the other Andyyeung group accounts across the platform, per se this: https://rottenwebsites.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Dark_Web&diff=prev&oldid=56062 (Andyyeung6) https://anypedia.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=1071 [20:27:06] https://anypedia.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=1072 (Andyyeung4) Not sure if this suffices a check, but these accounts need to stop with this disruptive nonsense. [20:27:08] [url] User:Andyyeung2 - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [20:27:09] [url] All public logs - Anypedia | anypedia.miraheze.org [20:27:11] [url] Difference between revisions of "Dark Web" - Rotten Websites Wiki | rottenwebsites.miraheze.org [20:27:13] [url] All public logs - Anypedia | anypedia.miraheze.org [20:28:26] https://abysmaltiktokvideos.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log/Andyyeung6 Also this might be useful. [20:28:28] [url] All public logs - Appalling TikToks Wiki | abysmaltiktokvideos.miraheze.org [20:54:34] [[Special:CentralAuth/Andyyeung5]] https://anypedia.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Edit_miraheze&oldid=877 They're back at it again by re-creating this nonsense again. @raidarr Now, I think this might be the time to really investigate at this time (unless if you have something to ass). [20:54:34] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Andyyeung5 [20:54:36] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Andyyeung5 [20:54:37] [url] Edit miraheze - Anypedia | anypedia.miraheze.org [20:54:38] [url] Global account information for Andyyeung5 - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [20:55:02] I accidentally wrote "ass" instead of "add", so ignore the accidental typo, for those on IRC. [20:57:59] .mhca Andyyeung1 [20:57:59] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Andyyeung1 [20:58:08] This is getting ridiculous at this point. [21:08:38] https://anypedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Andyyeung5 @CVT You around for cleanup, again? [21:08:41] [url] User contributions for Andyyeung5 - Anypedia | anypedia.miraheze.org [21:13:19] Didn't he cause a mess on meta [21:13:34] RhinosF1, yes, that one. [21:13:46] The user is becoming such a pest to multiple wikis. [21:14:04] If he's a pest on meta [21:14:09] I have a hammer [21:14:56] And I'm in desperate need of raidarr's help, as he just became a Steward. We need to stop the Andyyeung group from causing anymore damage. [21:16:14] raidarr, You could just use the Checkuser tool on [[Special:Userrights/Raidarr@loginwiki]] as well. [21:16:14] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Userrights/Raidarr%40loginwiki [21:16:36] Just a note that I've seen Stewards do this. [21:23:18] raidarr: I'm very surprised the adoption page move worked [21:23:26] It failed server side [21:24:47] I'd poked around a bit and had the impression there was nothing to preclude its success, so I just gave it a go [21:25:00] Guess that helped since I might not have done it if I knew it had failed >.> [21:25:54] It worked so \o/ [21:26:15] Our servers are doing better than I expect [21:31:44] [[Special:CentralAuth/Andyyeung winner]] And they're back. The IPs they're using should get globally blocked so they can't create any new accounts, and the sleepers should also be checked too. [21:31:44] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Andyyeung_winner [21:31:54] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Andyyeung_winner [21:31:56] [url] Global account information for Andyyeung winner - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [21:40:01] $log purged disruptive, but content similar edits on a variety of Miraheze wikis taht were made under an Andyyeung (*) named alias [21:40:17] ^ and demonstrated my ability to type is buggy as ever [21:40:19] Saved item "purged disruptive, but content similar edits on a variety of Miraheze wikis taht were made under an Andyyeung (*) named alias" [21:41:53] Doug will probably be needed for a more thorough check if he feels the need, as I found nothing particularly enlightening about this 'andy' fellow [21:51:31] Thanks for taking charge as well. I also didn't expect you to globally block the IP for 2 weeks, but I think dmehus can handle the rest if he wishes to. [21:51:49] [[Special:CentralAuth/STRONZI VI SPAKKO FANCULIZZATEVI]] And this account has returned. [21:51:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/STRONZI_VI_SPAKKO_FANCULIZZATEVI [21:51:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/STRONZI_VI_SPAKKO_FANCULIZZATEVI [21:51:53] [url] Global account information for STRONZI VI SPAKKO FANCULIZZATEVI - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [21:52:39] This case I wish to defer significant investigation as it appears to be local to one wiki, has been resolved locally and appears to have been largely left alone since that time, although I do feel inclined to look at the alts for multiple account abuse paired with vandalism-only intentions [21:53:00] If I go for them it's likely I'll leave a notice on the primary account's talk page as well [22:02:31] Sounds fair. [22:36:40] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Stewards%27%20noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=237194 Uhhh, what the fuck? [22:36:55] [url] Difference between revisions of "Stewards' noticeboard" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [22:38:42] Donā€™t necessarily see anything wrong with that [22:38:58] May be off-scope [22:38:59] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Stewards%27%20noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=237196 Okay, this person needs to be blocked as their edit is pretty much an attempted trolling stunt. [22:39:09] [url] Difference between revisions of "Stewards' noticeboard" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [22:39:16] It's pretty much a trolling stunt. [22:40:36] Itā€™s likely that itā€™s a troll, but it could be a genuine request, either from a child, or from some new to the English language judging from the grammar. [22:41:05] Except, they didn't give out a reason, thus the reason why I reverted it. [22:42:03] I donā€™t necessarily see a reason to revert [22:42:04] If they post it a third time, leave it [22:42:20] Alright, I'm assuming you'll give the guy a look? [22:43:00] Because we definitely don't want a repeat of yesterday's incident where I was pretty much provoked. [22:43:19] Nowhere near sufficient evidence for a lock, and frankly yesterday was a case where you should have walked away well before it got to that point [22:43:31] I will respond to it should he post it again [22:44:18] Iā€™m nowhere near the position of a steward, but I think a lock or CU would not be needed. [22:44:42] I didn't say the user should be locked at the moment. I mean, it does sound like a returning editor, but there's not enough evidence to conclude that at this time. [22:45:11] So why would you post it to CVT? [22:45:13] You said you were assuming I would give him a lock, specifying no particular moment but usually implying imminently [22:45:26] For now the best course is to leave him be until more can be deduced [22:45:31] I said a look, not a lock. [22:46:46] I actually said for the guy to be looked at, not get locked that early without anything strong to hold it up. [22:47:40] Ah, I did misinterpret what you said as a lock, my apologies. [22:48:00] Locking someone without evidence would be pretty silly. [22:48:02] As for a look I don't believe it's sufficient for CU at this time either, though. [22:48:10] Ah, that's fine. [22:48:29] No other edits or indeed details aside from appearing out of nowhere on the tv show wikis, which is incredibly suspicious to me. [22:48:37] I donā€™t see a reason for a look at either, unless you meant following the users contributions. [22:48:40] You think? [22:48:56] It is likely a returning actor, but I wish to avoid setting a precedent for further action on that until there is more to show. [22:49:03] Yeah, the edits on Meta sounds pretty suspicious, almost as if they knew about our wikis in the first place. [22:49:08] I do think if it is a return of WG, doug's olive branch is compromised. [22:49:30] They obviously know and are some form of returning critic, only question I wonder is if it is WG in specific or another. [22:49:36] What do you mean by olive branch? [22:49:37] QP is pretty common amongst Miraheze [22:49:40] And that is speculative, which is what mainly stays my hand. [22:50:14] Doug made an invitation for WG to cease multiple account abuse and basically reconcile with the platform. [22:50:47] If you suspect that it's WG8686, then maybe checking them out would probably do some good, unless if it's unrelated. It's your choice whether not you want to give that "StarWars" account a check or not. [22:50:48] But in this case if it is WG or some other actor I couldn't quite say. The reception wikis have managed to acquire many enemies. [22:50:55] Yeah, true. [22:51:19] I am not comfortable acting on my suspicion, which is part WG as a familiar suspect for such posts and part 'other', the 'other' being inconclusive. [22:51:24] This is exactly why we don't want WG8686 around, as all he ever did was cause a bunch of mayhem over the course of 2 years. [22:52:02] If it is indeed WG after further investigation/consultation, I think we'll have moved from multiple account abuse into willful long term abuse especially given the period of time such activities have taken place. [22:53:07] Yeah, because if this continues, then WG8686 should get the boot from this wikifarm if this is how he is going to behave around here. I'm not taking a chance of having him around if this is what it comes to. [22:54:03] He's certainly been booted already, it's just a matter of the lifeline he's been extended by Stewards. [22:54:24] I'm quite happy to humor communication, but then, all preceding activity hasn't exactly been useful communication. [22:54:44] Certainly not the 'StarWars' figure, though I will humor a response if there is more to say. [22:54:58] We will tell fairly quickly what the intentions are from there. [22:55:13] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWN6FGII9q4 He did make this video about 2 years ago saying that he quit Miraheze. If he really wanted to leave, then he definitely shouldn' [22:55:14] [YouTube] āØWhy I Quit Mirahezeā© | 33s | Channel: āØNidokingā© | 2,461 views | 2020-02-29 - 01:43:02 [22:56:33] It would probably be for the manipulative effect, which has not worked at all. [22:56:53] The video is quite amusing tbh [22:56:54] Yeah, I think that's how he pulled it off. [22:57:23] Windows Movie Maker vibes [22:57:25] the moment someone conflates void acting in a cvt capacity as an admin local to the wikis, any chance of authoritative dialogue is off [22:57:44] And it's a shame as I think I've put myself out pretty far in terms of soaking up critique for the wikis. [22:58:08] And the funny thing is, that video was made on the same day that his main account and his sock, FlyingMan98 was banned: February 29th, 2020. [22:58:36] Part of why the ongoing efforts to reform them must continue, however. Only if they improve from within will they be able to exist without the weary eyes of Miraheze global operatives. [22:59:10] Yes, but ideally, it's better off he creates his own wiki, and writing some ideas down on said wiki. [23:00:09] He doesn't need to create an entirely new wiki for that. [23:00:27] I'll take reasonable critique right in a QP central blog as long as its civil. [23:01:10] Yeah, that sounds like a better idea. I will be placing WG8686 under some certain restrictions, to minimize the chance of him being disruptive. [23:02:06] We can consider restrictions if he takes up the Steward-level offer first. [23:05:59] But I swear if he blows that up, then that's it.