[01:03:08] Welcome wm-bot72. If you need to report spam or abuse, please feel free to notify any of the voiced (+v) users, if it contains personal information you can pm them, or email us at cvt [at] miraheze.org [03:08:52] [discord] @Doug / dmehus [[Special:CentralAuth/あやらいはから]] [[Special:CentralAuth/糞まみれ]] @Doug These accounts are the ones I am talking about, as I see that they have vandalized pages as well, but the vandalism seems so similar: https://ysmwiki.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=%E7%B3%9E&diff=prev&oldid=142230 (あやらいはから) [03:08:52] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/%e3%81%82%e3%82%84%e3%82%89%e3%81%84%e3%81%af%e3%81%8b%e3%82%89 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/%e7%b3%9e%e3%81%be%e3%81%bf%e3%82%8c [03:08:54] [discord] [03:08:55] [discord] https://ysmwiki.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=%E7%B3%9E&diff=prev&oldid=142880 (糞まみれ) [03:08:56] [discord] [03:08:56] [url] 「糞」の版間の差分 - Ysmwiki | ysmwiki.miraheze.org [03:08:58] [discord] I think it's safe to say an investigation might be needed here if necessary. [03:08:58] [url] 「糞」の版間の差分 - Ysmwiki | ysmwiki.miraheze.org [03:08:59] [discord] [03:09:00] [discord] [03:09:01] [url] Global account information for あやらいはから - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [03:09:01] [url] Global account information for 糞まみれ - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [06:20:27] @DarkMatterManBladeMan4000, looking [06:20:41] I think you should go back to DarkMatterMan4500 on Discord :P [06:20:48] the other name is too long :P [06:22:48] wtf is that wiki anyway? [06:23:09] [[Special:UserRights/Dmehus@ysmwikiwiki]] [06:23:09] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/Dmehus%40ysmwikiwiki [06:32:10] @DarkMatterBladeMan4000, re: `ysmwikiwiki`, this is inconclusive at this point. Evidence of abuse by Japanese wiki users can sometimes be a long, arduous process, usually involving multiple socks so much so that they can't keep it all straight. In short, no action now, but keep me posted on future sock creations [06:50:04] RhinosF1: make sure the cat task is on your 1.38 list [07:13:21] .tell RhinosF1 MirahezeBot sent you this reminder when you were offline, "make sure the cat task is on your 1.38 list" [07:13:21] dmehus: I'll pass that on when RhinosF1 is around. [13:19:26] [discord] dmehus Ah, I see. Thanks for looking anyway. 🙂 [13:43:16] [discord] I have to defer on that as well since I can't see myself being that much more useful on a Japanese based wiki without native translation assistance and clear 'smoking guns' to act on [13:44:03] [discord] I'm going to be posting a draft for an 'adoption procedure' to hopefully clean up the mess of that term, would welcome feedback on it when it's posted, especially for clarity and procedure [13:44:17] [discord] [[Special:CentralAuth/Andyyeung commons]] @raidarr They're back. [13:44:17] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Andyyeung_commons [13:44:18] [discord] [13:44:20] [url] Global account information for Andyyeung commons - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [13:45:27] [discord] cc dmehus for a more effective checkuser op, I believe it is entirely justified, but that I'm not necessarily capable of confidently striking in a way that'll actually cease their issue [13:45:53] [discord] Alright then, @dmehus You mind dealing with this as well? [13:46:09] [discord] In the meantime I wish to let the andyyeung account edit at least once or twice just to get a feel for it before smashing again [13:46:25] Okay. [13:46:34] [discord] Naturally I intend to personally mop whatever comes of that approach [13:49:52] https://anypedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Andyyeung1 raidarr However, this one here, Andyyeung1, has re-created one of the very same thing that was deleted by you on Thursday: https://anypedia.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Anypedia_identifier&oldid=915 [13:49:52] However, I think dmehus should take a deeper dive into this group. [13:49:54] [url] User contributions for Andyyeung1 - Anypedia | anypedia.miraheze.org [13:49:55] [url] Anypedia identifier - Anypedia | anypedia.miraheze.org [13:50:37] [discord] Suffices to lock that account then, clearly 'purposes of appeals' is not getting the point through; I defer to doug if he wishes to make more substantive contact though [13:52:14] [discord] have to say, not sure why it was blocked locally on the website wiki or the youtuber wiki [13:52:34] [discord] if there is no contribution nor a probability of contributing there (he strikes elsewhere), it seems redundant [13:52:49] [discord] Because one of the Andyyeung groups went on the `rottenwebsiteswiki` where one of them were locked. [13:52:58] [discord] Went on, but did they edit? [13:53:07] [discord] Let me find it. [13:53:15] [discord] If so, I can see it [13:53:25] [discord] And if you're finding it I'll assume that's a yes [13:53:45] [discord] https://rottenwebsites.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Andyyeung6 Yes, they have. [13:53:53] [url] User contributions for Andyyeung6 - Rotten Websites Wiki | rottenwebsites.miraheze.org [13:54:10] [discord] it feels like a familiar face, I just can't say which one [13:54:22] [discord] https://rottenwebsites.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=47681 I originally blocked this user for 2 weeks for inserting nonsense/gibberish into pages. [13:54:24] [url] All public logs - Rotten Websites Wiki | rottenwebsites.miraheze.org [13:54:26] [discord] My suspicions are purely speculative [19:29:28] RhinosF1, re: open proxy blocks, if CVT is active on Meta Wiki, please leave any web host/open proxy blocks, as you don't know what duration we're going to be blocking locally on-wiki. This requires a separate log action to modify your local block. Thanks. :) [19:30:00] We most need your activity in an MWE capacity anyway, if at all possible :) [19:30:18] dmehus: local admins should be free to act [19:31:08] RhinosF1, yes, but this open proxies are typically blocked globally; thus, requires a separate log action to update your local block to match the global [19:31:29] If you want to be active in a global CVT capacity, I'd suggest you run for Global Sysop :) [19:32:21] also global blocks aren't effective on Meta Wiki, hence why CVT needs to block locally on Meta Wiki, because it's the central coordination wiki, essentially [19:32:31] dmehus: yeah but whether I block as evading a ban [19:32:36] Or proxy use [19:33:32] RhinosF1, well, you can see that I am active, and Raidarr is active. Reception123 is also active, though moreso in SRE capacity as he's pulling single MWE duty for the MWE team [19:33:39] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User%20talk:Dmehus&diff=prev&oldid=238136 Looks like a clear block evasion here. [19:33:43] [url] Difference between revisions of "User talk:Dmehus" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [19:34:04] thanks DMM [19:34:16] And it's a proxy. [19:34:29] [discord] You're welcome dmehus. [19:35:19] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User%20talk:RhinosF1&diff=prev&oldid=238138 And the IP is attacking RhinosF1's talk page now. [19:35:21] [url] Difference between revisions of "User talk:RhinosF1" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [19:36:36] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User%20talk:Dmehus&diff=prev&oldid=238140 And again, still reposting the same message. -_- [19:36:39] [url] Difference between revisions of "User talk:Dmehus" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [19:46:53] dmehus: can we lower protection to accounts [19:47:02] Only ips have been an issue [19:50:38] we could also consider some rate limits [19:50:47] If anons spam user talk [19:55:41] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/223.112.146.106 They're at it again. [19:55:43] [url] User contributions for 223.112.146.106 - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [19:56:33] [discord] It appears to be YellowFrogger [19:56:39] [discord] Most unfortunate that he's resorting to that [19:56:48] If dmehus is fine with it, I can create a tool to block automatically if they spam more than 1 user talk page [19:56:50] [discord] Like, what is with YellowFrogger today? [19:57:07] They doing normal too [19:57:13] We can try rate limit IPs [19:57:15] [discord] He's becoming the new Lawrence-Prairies at this point. [19:58:33] dmehus, Reception123: should we rate limit IPs [20:01:01] [discord] We can't make an RfC against YellowFrogger, as that would be too much for this case. [20:01:42] [discord] I know none of you guys really suggested it, but then again, I hope YellowFrogger can change his behavior. [20:05:22] [discord] I do hope too [20:05:43] dmehus: let's not do protect site, I can limit IP edits to like 1 every 2 minutes [20:06:22] I'd rather do a rate limit as an emergency than hard stop [20:07:02] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Community%20Wishlist%20for%202022/Add%20double%20sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=238157 Jesus Christ. [20:07:04] [url] Difference between revisions of "Community Wishlist for 2022/Add double sandbox" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [20:09:14] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/189.20.85.170 Will an admin please block this annoyance now? [20:09:16] [url] User contributions for 189.20.85.170 - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [20:11:05] dmehus: can I go ahead and deploy rate limits [20:11:12] It might help until at my PC [20:11:27] I have an idea that should help us reject edits [20:12:52] [discord] Moderation tool? Hmmm, that could be a problem. [20:15:20] dmehus: there's now DBQueryError's when trying to edit the AN [20:15:42] currently filling a ticket but it looks like moderation did that [20:16:19] chrs: we're working on emergency measures [20:16:27] dmehus: did you ask a bureaucrat before making an extension change on Meta? [20:16:48] JohnLewis: no he didn't and I have better ideas [20:17:33] tbh the moderation extension is way too major of a change to be made unilaterally [20:17:43] Indeed, I have reverted it [20:18:37] JohnLewis: are you able to run puppet while I create an anti vandalism hook [20:18:47] To push an ip rate limit [20:19:11] [discord] Dmehus, I don't think the moderation tool for Meta was a good idea to enable for said wiki. [20:20:35] RhinosF1: run puppet on all mw*? [20:20:49] JohnLewis: just take [20:20:51] Task [20:20:57] also quite a lot of the vandalism should be able to be caught via an edit filter [20:20:57] task, okay will do [20:22:31] [discord] https://commons.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Spathiphyllum&diff=prev&oldid=14067&diffmode=source Oh please, YellowFrogger is doing it again. [20:22:34] [url] Difference between revisions of "Spathiphyllum" - Miraheze Commons | commons.miraheze.org [20:22:50] working on it [20:23:20] RhinosF1: already running apparently [20:23:32] JohnLewis: ty [20:23:39] [discord] https://commons.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:wqeg7jdtr7a54wnc And he won't stop bothering Doug. [20:23:41] [url] DataDump for my wiki, please on User talk:Dmehus | commons.miraheze.org [20:24:33] there back on meta [20:24:39] *they're [20:25:39] [discord] More IPs to block, RhinosF1, or dmehus, or whoever is active now. [20:27:13] We're rate limiting IPs to slow it down [20:27:20] Working on something to limit it [20:27:32] Alright. :) [20:28:16] [discord] Thanks @MrJaroslavik for handling it. [20:32:21] [discord] Oh, there someone doing things on Meta without bureaucrat approval again? [20:32:48] [discord] Yes, but that's already been taken care of. [20:34:25] [discord] That won't erase that action... [20:35:25] could one of the commonswiki admins give me rollback there? [20:35:58] [discord] True, but the least they should've done was ask first, but then again, this was because YellowFrogger resorted to vandalism, sockpuppetry and abuse. [20:36:39] chrs: urgent or? [20:36:45] Trying to fight meta currently [20:36:56] yf is also going on commonswiki [20:36:59] Ok [20:37:00] [discord] He stopped [20:37:05] [discord] and has been globally blocked on that IP [20:37:13] [discord] I'm watching Commons right now too [20:37:20] @Owen: can we authorise ToU action and SRE to take some mitigations [20:37:29] [discord] That's because JohnLewis globally blocked the ranges he used. [20:37:36] ugh why do I have this feeling he's going to be IP hopping like crazy [20:37:55] RhinosF1 Are you sure Trust & Safety should get involved at this time? [20:38:05] darkmatterman450: yes [20:38:06] [discord] RhinosF1: The new relay doesn't ping users on Discord [20:38:11] chrs: what's your account [20:38:46] @Owen#9698 You getting all of this? [20:38:55] [discord] still didn't ping [20:39:02] Well, shit. Thought I'd give it a go. [20:39:06] RhinosF1, didn't you merge the commit? [20:39:15] [discord] @Owen ^ [20:39:22] dmehus: it's merged [20:39:25] :24 [20:39:29] [discord] Thank you @MrJaroslavik. [20:39:33] I'm seeing if we can do more [20:39:39] for what it's worth, I'm fine with your commit, but I don't see what other action you need to take as SRE? [20:39:45] Not just with my I'm an admin so I'm doing it [20:40:04] JohnLewis: thoughts on RhinosF1's request? [20:40:13] dmehus Try not to change extensions, as that could possibly screw us up. [20:40:45] request for SRE to do things? As before, CVT should make such requests and it should only be made when CVT are simple incapable of handling it. [20:40:46] There's tools we have that can auto whack IPs if I can find a decent hook [20:41:06] I have made a block, and so far, it seems effective, so as a CVT member, I'm not making that request [20:41:36] RhinosF1: Arcversin [20:41:44] Yeah, ideally, SRE should've asked CVT before merging RhinosF1's commit, but I would've been fine with that [20:41:46] Ok [20:41:52] dmehus: I'm a local admin [20:41:56] [discord] T&S don't authorise ToU actions for others. Any reports can be made through email and T&S will review and handle as they seem appropriate once the evidence is presented. [20:41:57] I haven't seen YellowFrogger make any threats or make any suggestions of him violating the Terms of Use. [20:42:38] @Owen, agreed, I don't think there's any need for the Trust and Safety team to be involved here [20:42:53] Oh my [20:43:01] [discord] Once more, the new relay does not ping users on Discord [20:43:14] @Agent, oh [20:43:24] [discord] dmehus You did it again. [20:43:36] yeah the MirahezeBots team migrated from reactiflux to mhbridge [20:43:42] Maybe just force of habit [20:44:18] DarkMatterBladeMan4000, if the pings don't relay, then it doesn't matter either way and what Hypercane said ^ :) [20:44:25] dmehus: we should be able to reject IPs with no edit summary if abuse filter doesn't let you [20:44:59] I am disappointed in YellowFrogger for his recent behavior. The comments he made about getting "revenge" on Miraheze got me ticked off. [20:45:02] [discord] I think I have rights on commons so if anything just hollar [20:45:07] You rate-limited the IPs on metawiki [20:45:15] so that should be sufficient [20:45:41] For now, I think we can consider this case resolved. [20:46:00] Well, for the disruption that was made by YellowFrogger. [20:46:01] He was doing decent for a while then it just did a 180 pretty quickly [20:46:26] yeah this surprised me [20:47:16] [discord] Im a crat on commonswiki so if anything else happens lmk [20:47:52] dmehus: he's hitting commmonswiki too [20:48:01] Can you try a global abuse filter [20:49:40] sure [20:49:49] let me look at the commonswiki edits [20:51:00] dmehus: see -botlogs [20:51:43] Vandalism looks very generic, so I'm not certain that an abuse filter would be effective, as he'll just change tactics in what he says, unless you have a specific suggestion. [20:52:04] [discord] Frankly, I see no way to do an AF [20:52:08] [discord] in this situation [20:52:15] Also seems to only be affecting commonswiki and metawiki so any abuse filters could be added to both wikis locally [20:52:52] dmehus: I'm fine with just the 2 wikis [20:52:53] dmehus Shouldn't you send YellowFrogger a message on his Meta talk page, or would that not be necessary? [20:53:04] See botlogs for my thoughts on what's best [20:53:05] [discord] No point [20:53:10] darkmatterman450, the latter :) [20:53:17] I'm not going to discuss too many abuse mechanisms in public [20:53:26] RhinosF1, looking [20:53:32] [discord] I'm in communication with him [20:53:38] [discord] He has promised to stop for now [20:53:47] [discord] Oh yeah, good point. I guess there's not much we can do for now. [20:54:07] [discord] dmehus: Also see PMs whenever you have time [20:54:12] [discord] regarding this [20:54:34] [discord] I've said this once, but I'll say it again: Consider this YellowFrogger case resolved, for now. [20:54:46] Agent, will do [20:56:11] dmehus, Also you might want to give the Andyyeung group a look, as I've reported a bunch of them here a few days ago, and today as well. [20:58:45] darkmatterman450, that has already been looked into, no? [20:59:26] [discord] They were, but raidarr mentioned earlier that they have returned for more. [20:59:50] [discord] [[Special:CentralAuth/Andyyeung commons]] Here's this example. [20:59:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Andyyeung_commons [20:59:51] [discord] [20:59:54] [url] Global account information for Andyyeung commons - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [21:00:49] https://anypedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Andyyeung1 Also, is it possible to just nuke the nonsense this account made, prior to being locked by raidarr? [21:00:51] [url] User contributions for Andyyeung1 - Anypedia | anypedia.miraheze.org [21:01:59] an admin could Special:Nuke it [21:02:21] chrs One problem: None of them are active right now. [21:03:57] And there's only one admin, but they haven't been active on that wiki for 15 days now. [21:04:08] A long term continuing solution is being performed. While totally inappropriate for YellowFrogger to resort to vandalism and abuse just to obtain dumps, I'm quite confident when he has his data dumps, the problem will abate [21:04:57] really? [21:05:12] Yes. [21:05:17] Im not convinced he will [21:05:18] I'm not inclined to see vandalism as a serious request for data dumps [21:05:30] more as just another rant that gets copypasted [21:05:36] He wouldn't need dumps if he wasn't already trolling [21:06:57] And dmehus, just the other day, Void actually discovered that Dancing Stickman and TheFlamingDude98 were indeed confirmed to each other, but he also found another account that was on the same range as those 2: TheSpaceJamLord. Suffice it to say, I'm afraid the solution will have to be cut off for the time being until the ban evasion stops. [21:07:13] RhinosF1, he may not stop socking, but he will almost certainly stop the IP vandalism and nonsense [21:07:29] which is my more immediate concern [21:07:33] Until he wants to rant again [21:09:02] He's going to risk getting community-banned if he keeps this crap up. [21:09:19] darkmatterman450, that's obvious, but no, that's not quite right. My solution is to unlock the user's main account so we can direct any sock creations to the main account [21:09:28] darkmatterman450, that would be totally inappropriate [21:10:23] Which one for the totally inappropriate part? [21:10:41] WG8686 [21:10:54] if you meant YellowFrogger, that would be beyond useless [21:11:20] We already have the appropriate tools to lock any socks and block any open proxies :) [21:11:30] nice [21:12:09] Yes, I meant WG8686, as Void did lock all 3 accounts, and globally blocked the range they used. So unless, he stops, he's more than likely to keep locking the accounts, unless WG8686 gets his account unlocked with the conditional restriction. [21:13:00] darkmatterman450, the latter is what I'm talking about :) [21:13:38] I mean, he did say that he wouldn't be opposed to the unlock, but did make a note that the user appeared to be refusing to get the message. [21:20:37] The socks would not be unlocked, but I'll talk it over with Void [21:20:56] I meant the main account, not the socks. [21:23:47] dmehus: respond in -botlogs [21:23:55] To be honest, I'm pretty concerned about unlocking the main account. [21:28:44] [discord] WG doesn't seem to have been receptive to the olive branch [21:29:18] [discord] I do have to concur that I'm a bit baffled by the enabling of Moderation [21:31:48] Exactly what I was interpreting to dmehus here. I do understand he was trying his hardest, but he didn't seem to want to get the message. [21:34:38] [discord] And I was also puzzled with the Moderation extension being enabled for Meta. [21:35:30] [discord] I don't see how you got 'didn't want to get the message' when I don't see that he replied to the message and proceeded to discuss other things above. It wasn't a bad faith action and I wouldn't be too stressed over it, but for future reference I do agree that enabling Moderation was not necessary and it would have been ideal to clear the matter with a Meta bureaucrat; I believe that a non-bureaucrat Steward should onl [21:35:58] [discord] If there's disagreement on that line it can certainly be discussed further on the AN and if dmehus does disagree with ^, then it warrants discussion until the line is clear [21:36:50] [discord] What I meant by this was in reference of the continued ban evasion that this user has been doing for about 2 years. [21:37:08] [discord] Ah, then I apologize for the misinterpretation [21:37:59] [discord] I think if there's continued evidence of abuse after the olive branch was extended, we should consider any future action on WG as action on a long term abuser since the issue is clearly long term and multiple attempts at reasonable discussion have been made but not taken [21:38:33] [discord] Yes, I would probably think the same thing. [21:45:34] if he comes back, use https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/56 [21:45:35] [url] Editing abuse filter - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [21:45:37] [discord] Are you sure this RfC had to be deleted? [21:45:37] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/443926951292567562/945073733591244871/Screenshot_20220220_224447.jpg [21:45:53] Steward note applies to CVT too [21:49:46] [discord] I mean, wiki administrators *can* already rename groups by changing MediaWiki:Group- so I would say that would be out of scope [21:59:53] [discord] But why delete it without some comment, for example on user talk? (and please do not argue with WP:BOLD) [22:03:02] [discord] I don't think this was a case of WP:BOLD at all. I agree a comment should've been left on the user's talk advising them of how to rename groups. [22:03:26] [discord] I'd think leaving a comment to the end user would be reasonable if a deletion was enacted and it wasn't something like vandalism [22:04:08] [discord] Especially since it seems like he's looking for help with making a change to group names [22:04:15] yeah it's probably someone who just needs help on there wiki [22:04:17] [discord] In fact if that's not on someone's plate I can do so [22:04:29] [discord] Go ahead I'd say [22:06:11] [discord] This was not an incentive for anyone to do so, but a criticism of who "rudely" deleted the page. [22:07:03] [discord] I agree it was worth calling, I just think the next step is following up with something productive to the end user [22:14:59] Anyone can feel free to assist by reaching out to the user and guiding them to [[community noticeboard]], or offering to answer any questions at their user talk page :) [22:14:59] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/community_noticeboard [22:15:17] I personally just haven't had a chance to do that yet :) [22:17:00] [discord] But you had to delete it few mins after creation... [22:18:15] It's not an appropriate use of an RFC. The user just has a question about how to customize local group names [22:18:22] so I'll message them on their talk page [22:19:41] [discord] I've got a message prepared I can post in a very short bit [22:21:55] [discord] posted, dmehus [22:24:15] [discord] oh no [22:24:19] [discord] we overlapped dmehus :p [22:25:00] raidarr, yeah heh, oh well, they're both helpful [22:25:06] lol [22:26:12] [discord] incidentally dmehus, new updates on the discord group area [22:32:35] raidarr, looking [22:32:40] I have to catch up on that [23:34:37] [discord] ? [23:39:12] [discord] LTA [23:39:24] [discord] see [[Requests_for_Comment/Community_imposed_ban_on_User:Lawrence-Prairies]] [23:39:24]