[02:24:35] [discord] Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. [02:25:01] [discord] @Doug / dmehus Hope you're available tonight to deal with the CU requests I've added here. [03:37:33] @DarkMatterMan4500, okay, will look above [03:41:48] @DarkMatterMan4500 (cc: @raidarr), I don't think Blu-Ray Haas is likely, chiefly because DVD Haas != "Nobh"/"Noah", despite some local administrators insisting they're related, we've not found any evidence this is the case [03:42:00] Agent, can you ping DMM and raidarr for me please? [03:44:51] [discord] @raidarr ^ [03:44:56] [discord] DMM was pinged already [04:24:50] Agent, thanks :) [04:37:07] [discord] Thank you for that range block. hopefully that keeps them quiet for a while [04:38:02] hb1290, thanks. I was going to reach out to you first, but figured you wouldn't mind. It's anon. only, and, hopefully, should have minimal effect on legitimate users. I've created a help page if anyone is affected :) [04:38:51] I will suggest to @raidarr and @Reception123 to limit use of that T-Mobile rangeblock to 30-60 days, at most, and always local only where there is persistent and sustained abuse and disruption [04:43:07] $log Locally soft rangeblocked [[mh:closinglogosgroup:Special:Contributions/2607:FB90::/32|T-Mobile USA IPv6 range]] due to persistent, sustained abuse and disruption, for 30 days. Locally endorsed by local administrator(s) [04:43:07] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/closinglogosgroup:Special:Contributions/2607:FB90::/32 [04:43:13] Saved item "Locally soft rangeblocked [[mh:closinglogosgroup:Special:Contributions/2607:FB90::/32|T-Mobile USA IPv6 range]] due to persistent, sustained abuse and disruption, for 30 days. Locally endorsed by local administrator(s)" [04:43:13] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/closinglogosgroup:Special:Contributions/2607:FB90::/32 [04:43:24] $log Locally soft rangeblocked [[mh:companybumpers:Special:Contributions/2607:FB90::/32|T-Mobile USA IPv6 range]] due to persistent, sustained abuse and disruption, for 30 days. Locally endorsed by local administrator(s) [04:43:24] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/companybumpers:Special:Contributions/2607:FB90::/32 [04:43:31] Saved item "Locally soft rangeblocked [[mh:companybumpers:Special:Contributions/2607:FB90::/32|T-Mobile USA IPv6 range]] due to persistent, sustained abuse and disruption, for 30 days. Locally endorsed by local administrator(s)" [04:43:31] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/companybumpers:Special:Contributions/2607:FB90::/32 [04:45:36] $log Created read whitelisted [[mh:cvt:Advice to T-Mobile IPv6 users|help page]] on [[mh:cvt|cvtwiki]]. [[m:Counter Vandalism Team|CVT]] members [[rfc:2119|should]] use the following block reason, of 30-60 days and ''always'' soft and local: Persistent abuse & disruption. [[mh:cvt:Advice to T-Mobile IPv6 users|T-Mobile soft rangeblock]]. [[m:Counter Vandalism Team|Counter Vandalism Team]] action [04:45:36] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/cvt:Advice_to_T-Mobile_IPv6_users https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/cvt https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Counter_Vandalism_Team https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119 https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/cvt:Advice_to_T-Mobile_IPv6_users https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Counter_Vandalism_Team [04:45:45] Saved item "Created read whitelisted [[mh:cvt:Advice to T-Mobile IPv6 users|help page]] on [[mh:cvt|cvtwiki]]. [[m:Counter Vandalism Team|CVT]] members [[rfc:2119|should]] use the following block reason, of 30-60 days and ''always'' soft and local: Persistent abuse & disruption. [[mh:cvt:Advice to T-Mobile IPv6 users|T-Mobile soft rangeblock]]. [[m:Counter Vandalism Team|Counter Vandalism Team]] action" [04:45:45] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/cvt:Advice_to_T-Mobile_IPv6_users https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/cvt https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Counter_Vandalism_Team https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119 https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/cvt:Advice_to_T-Mobile_IPv6_users https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Counter_Vandalism_Team [06:25:58] .gj Void-bot [06:25:58] You're doing good work, Void-bot! [06:57:22] Welcome Guest95. If you need to report spam or abuse, please feel free to notify any of the voiced (+v) users, if it contains personal information you can pm them, or email us at cvt [at] miraheze.org [06:58:38] Welcome Camenati. If you need to report spam or abuse, please feel free to notify any of the voiced (+v) users, if it contains personal information you can pm them, or email us at cvt [at] miraheze.org [07:05:50] Camenati: can we help [07:23:21] I forgot I had this tab open. I was simply testing to see if I can get in. Sorry about that. [09:52:52] [discord] @Doug / dmehus That's what I initially thought. [13:16:30] [discord] I think haas and noah are at best uncertain links and shouldn't really be treated as the same, that is, noah indicators should come absolutely first when they appear clearly [13:16:50] [discord] in any case noted on the t-mobile business, which is unfortunate given its reach [14:23:02] [discord] [[Special:CentralAuth/Pmb1226]] Uhhh, there's a vandal vandalizing the `giantesswiki`: https://giantess.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pmb1226 [14:23:02] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Pmb1226 [14:23:03] [discord] [14:23:03] [url] User contributions for Pmb1226 - Giantess Wiki | giantess.miraheze.org [14:23:04] [url] Global account information for Pmb1226 - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [14:27:41] [discord] Can someone on @CVT please handle this one? ^ [15:05:58] $log addressed significant vandalism on [[mh:giantess|giantesswiki]] with reversions, revdels and local block [15:05:58] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/giantess [15:06:06] Saved item "addressed significant vandalism on [[mh:giantess|giantesswiki]] with reversions, revdels and local block" [15:06:06] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/giantess [18:06:08] raidarr: around [18:07:45] [discord] hmm [18:08:02] raidarr: I need you irc side for a PM [18:08:12] Or look at cvt feed [18:08:30] well maybe you don't want to look [18:08:42] [discord] oh, giantess again [18:09:01] Yes [18:09:32] [discord] https://giantess.miraheze.org/w/index.php?oldid=36039&rcid=34883 @raidarr This crap re-appeared again. [18:09:33] [url] Articles and press - Giantess Wiki | giantess.miraheze.org [18:09:40] raidarr: let me know if there's anything we can do to assist [18:09:59] @DarkMatterMan4500: please don't link to the diffs publicly [18:10:05] And delete your discord message [18:10:06] [discord] what I need is a co-investigator to see why semi-established accounts have been going off on giantess today [18:10:17] raidarr: join irc [18:10:22] [discord] the first one was disturbingly established and to me indicates conspiracy of some sort [18:10:27] Note: DO NOT CLICK THAT LINK [18:10:28] on [18:11:07] [discord] RhinosF1 Sorry about that. [18:11:25] [discord] I should have linked the user's global account information instead [18:11:30] [discord] I should have linked the user's global account information instead. (edited) [18:12:10] [discord] I suspect it's the same user we dealt with this morning. [18:12:30] yes [18:12:35] Me + Raidarr are talking [18:13:34] [discord] I deleted the message, although IRC can still see it. [18:15:05] [discord] [[Special:CentralAuth/DelSaraf]] Here's the account in question by the way. [18:15:05] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/DelSaraf [18:15:05] [discord] [18:15:06] [url] Global account information for DelSaraf - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [18:17:18] Here I am on IRC. [18:17:27] $log revdel'd inappropriate content on giantesswiki [18:17:35] Saved item "revdel'd inappropriate content on giantesswiki" [18:18:32] Reception123 Thanks for rev'delling the inappropriate content. [18:19:27] no problem darkmatterman450 [18:19:59] The only thing I regret doing here was linking it here in public as RhinosF1 pointed that out to me. [18:21:11] darkmatterman450: I'm a bit confused, why? [18:21:31] I personally only saw blatant inappropriate/racist/CoC violating content but there's no rule against reporting that here [18:21:35] Reception123: because users don't need to see them images [18:21:40] Ah, images [18:21:45] I didn't see them, I just mass deleted [18:21:51] ^ Exactly what RhinosF1 said above. [18:22:42] Reception123 You're right. There's no rule saying about reporting it here. That would've been silly. [18:23:21] s/saying about/against [18:23:21] darkmatterman450 meant to say: Reception123 You're right. There's no rule against reporting it here. That would've been silly. [18:40:14] [discord] raidarr So they were the same person eh? [18:40:20] [discord] no [18:40:25] Oh. [18:40:26] [discord] though the agent responsible may have been the same [18:40:52] So you think those 2 accounts were hacked somehow? [18:41:34] [discord] technical evidence makes that very probable to me [18:42:22] And it seems like there's no master to find, is there? :( [18:43:07] [discord] Special attention should be paid now to any more potentially compromised accounts if that’s the case [18:43:23] [discord] That I agree with. πŸ™‚ [18:44:29] [discord] no known master [18:44:37] [discord] it does strike me as very 'ed' vandalism [18:44:52] Something we should **ALL** pay close attention to. [18:45:06] [discord] I'd like to consider an abusefilter, local and/or global for that sort of addition [18:45:24] [discord] Then by all means, go for it. πŸ™‚ [18:45:30] [discord] That would make sense [18:45:32] [discord] I am the worst person to actually make the filters [18:46:05] [discord] but, I do see the need, especially since there were a lot of components to the vandalism I think are globally strikable [18:46:06] [discord] hehe,maybe chrs could help [18:46:14] [discord] I'd very much appreciate chrs's intervention [18:47:09] [discord] But he seems to be logged out on IRC for some days now.. [18:47:56] [discord] He was on a few hours ago I believe [18:48:25] [discord] Either way, it may be possible to just use an existing filter and tweak it a little to look out for any other words [18:51:18] [discord] Oh [19:08:15] o7 John [19:13:28] Hey [21:05:19] what sort of filter are we looking at? [21:05:19] [tell] chrs: 2022-04-26 - 16:46:05UTC tell chrs Hello, Can we talk when you're around? [21:07:45] [discord] @Ugochimobi about this or something else? [21:11:47] [discord] Possible expansion to include more keywords, but also mass blanking/significant content removal, perhaps a more liberal content removal clause where a lot is removed but combining keywords [21:12:58] [discord] so it's possible to block the uploading of files by hash via an abusefilter, which could block low-effort goatse/shock site vandalism [21:14:03] [discord] Yeah, 2 users were suspected of being compromised by someone to upload shocking or gore content that would easily be matched up to those of Encyclopedia Dramatica. [21:14:25] [discord] uh yeah I saw the image title that got spammed [21:14:43] [discord] Oh, forgot about that. Heh hehehe. πŸ˜› [21:16:51] [discord] `action == 'upload' & file_sha1 == 'fa4d4ef5024534bc6ac146d480d9f27f19f0c48b'` should help [21:17:16] [discord] How great is that filter? [21:18:27] [discord] blocks you from uploading goatse [21:19:10] [discord] stupidly easy to get around (if someone understands the filter it's whack-a-mole not worth playing), but it stops you from just grabbing the image from [redacted] and uploading [21:19:30] [discord] it's a good stopguard against default one-offs at least [21:19:58] [discord] technically I could do the same by referring to other such ED files and pretty much hitting that line outright [21:20:04] [discord] since there were several in use/could be used [21:26:22] [discord] ``` [21:26:23] [discord] action == 'upload' & [21:26:24] [discord] equals_to_any(file_sha1, [21:26:26] [discord] 'fa4d4ef5024534bc6ac146d480d9f27f19f0c48b' /* comment here */ [21:26:27] [discord] ) [21:26:28] [discord] ``` [21:26:30] [discord] would be a more general structure [21:29:33] [discord] for outright mass blanking, there's the wikipedia filter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/3 which can be set up with a rate limit [21:40:39] [discord] yeah, a hit on pure mass blanking sounds particularly useful [21:47:52] [discord] then there's the usual stuff to deal with mass-adding of specific words (i.e. slurs/sexual things) [22:18:49] [discord] I have bad news [22:19:09] [discord] Noah somehow managed to circumvent the T-Mobile block on the CLG Wiki https://closinglogosgroup.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Thegoat_is_on_the_loose [22:19:12] [url] User:Thegoat is on the loose - CLG Wiki | closinglogosgroup.miraheze.org [22:19:23] [discord] noah is proficient in the use of proxies [22:19:27] [discord] those are not so easy to wipe en masse [22:21:17] [discord] oh wait a minute, there's more in that range than doug knew about [22:21:53] [discord] cc @Doug/dmehus or @Orduin if available; ipv6 t-mobile needs coverage as well [22:22:05] [discord] cc @Doug/dmehus or @Orduin if available; ipv6 t-mobile needs (local) coverage as well (edited) [22:23:13] [discord] another remedy we can test locally though: above abusefilter set to harshly smack anyone coming out and blanking in that manner [22:23:31] [discord] Almost immediately after that account got globalled... https://closinglogosgroup.miraheze.org/wiki/User:NYC_Subway [22:23:33] [url] User:NYC Subway - CLG Wiki | closinglogosgroup.miraheze.org [22:24:28] [discord] We already have an AF for page blanking but it's set to "log only" [22:25:00] [discord] Good idea [22:25:07] [discord] well, lets set it to 'kill them' >.> [22:25:34] [discord] it doesn't actually seem to be very accurate anyway [22:25:45] [discord] there are flagrant blanks and it doesn't seem to match them at all [22:25:46] [discord] @raidarr If you're up to nuke the entire T-Mobile IPv6 range then you could via Special:MassGlobalBlock [22:26:12] [discord] if these users are autoconfirmed then it doesn't affect them [22:27:00] [discord] I don't think it was ever a mass *global* block, just a local one [22:27:12] [discord] or did I misunderstand the scope [22:27:30] [discord] ah, I forgot it's only a local block [22:27:48] [discord] we need a Special:MassLocalBlock now [22:28:04] [discord] the wiki might benefit from wikipedia's slimmer anti-blank mechanism [22:28:21] [discord] I've been trying to slow this kid's blanking and profanity-laced vandalism down by repeatedly undoing and redoing a small edit I make to pages he's targeting to try to lock him out of being able to edit the page until the admins or stewards take action, but this kid has been ***RELENTLESS*** and it's getting so exhausting [22:28:25] [discord] seems to work? [22:28:33] [discord] @raidarr ^ [22:28:37] [url] Abuse filter log - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [22:29:31] [discord] Seems this wiki has a lot of unnoticed spam: https://thestarsareright.org/wiki/Special:AllPages [22:29:32] [url] All pages - The Stars Are Right | thestarsareright.org [22:30:39] [discord] could be done via a script if needed [22:32:23] [discord] Seems this wiki has a lot of unnoticed spam: https://thestarsareright.org/wiki/Special:AllPages [22:32:24] [discord] (I noticed on the list of wikis that it has thousands of users but only a few pages - possible dormant spammers?) (edited) [22:32:25] [url] All pages - The Stars Are Right | thestarsareright.org [22:34:23] [discord] If anything, this filter should be fully enabled [22:34:24] [discord] I've set up the global anti-blank filter to put a hard stop in the activity, doesn't yet do much like auto block [22:34:41] [discord] seems to be working [22:34:44] [discord] set it up locally I should say [22:35:32] [discord] And they found a way to bypass that [22:35:37] [discord] lovely [22:37:40] [discord] i've got some ideas on how to stop that [22:37:51] [discord] [[Special:CentralAuth/User is good]] [22:37:51] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/User_is_good [22:37:52] [discord] [22:37:52] [url] Global account information for User is good - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [22:37:54] [discord] hmm [22:38:22] [discord] seems like doug actually issued a block against the ipv6 range that is in question [22:38:28] [discord] so now I'll have to backtrack [22:39:08] [discord] for the moment, i'd suggest taking the check `new_size/(old_size + 1) < 0.1` from the wikipedia filter [22:39:57] [discord] ach, now I'm just not reading, it *is* another range [22:40:07] [discord] I'll just have to figure out how big it is and strike accordingly I guess [22:40:18] [discord] user is now spamming [22:40:48] [discord] it's painful to see that he hasn't given up [22:41:51] [discord] ^ This [22:42:56] [discord] hardblocked 'till I figure out a bit more about the involved range [22:43:19] [discord] ahh the wonders of tmobile [22:45:36] [discord] Thank you for globalling the accounts and hardblocking their range raidarr! 😁 [22:47:05] [discord] doesn't look like there was a rangeblock, only a specific IP [22:47:19] [discord] Thank you for globalling the accounts and hardblocking their ip raidarr! 😁 (edited) [22:47:20] [discord] which is odd since autoblock should catch that [22:48:25] [discord] I hardblocked the one [22:48:34] [discord] dmehus struck one range, but there's many more in increment [22:48:43] [discord] I'll go ahead and wipe out a few now [22:50:11] Greetings, this is Camenati. There is a user by the name of NYC Subway who is blanking pages on the CLG Wiki. [22:50:30] [discord] Done ^ [22:50:34] [discord] [22:50:35] [url] User:Void/massGBlock.js - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [22:50:50] [discord] (does both btw) [22:50:57] [discord] o [22:51:03] [discord] TIL [22:51:09] [discord] I defer to Void if he's aware of a more finessed way to handle t-mobile than what I'm doing, which is basically blowing away x.x.(everythingafter)/32 that is connected to it incrementally [22:52:17] [discord] apparently t-mobile also has an abuse reporting service I might take them up on [22:52:32] [discord] https://plazmaburst.miraheze.org/wiki/SITUS_SLOT_ONLINE_TERPERCAYA_SLOT_ONLINE_TERLENGKAP_2021 - Spam made by https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Alexaclient [22:52:33] [discord] https://plazmaburst.miraheze.org/wiki/Situs_judi_slot_online_gampang_menang - Spam made by https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Reskrimpolr [22:52:34] [url] Situs judi slot online gampang menang - Plazma Burst Official Wiki | plazmaburst.miraheze.org [22:52:34] [discord] https://plazmaburst.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Agen38pokerjudi - Spam in a SocialProfile page [22:52:35] [url] Global account information for Reskrimpolr - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [22:52:36] [discord] https://closinglogosgroup.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Dominoqq, https://rottenwebsites.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Dominoqq, https://mrlove.wiki/wiki/User:Dominoqq- Spam in SocialProfile page [22:52:37] [discord] https://thestarsareright.org/wiki/Special:AllPages - Mass spam that requires various deletions [22:52:37] [url] SITUS SLOT ONLINE TERPERCAYA SLOT ONLINE TERLENGKAP 2021 - Plazma Burst Official Wiki | plazmaburst.miraheze.org [22:52:38] [url] User:Agen38pokerjudi - Plazma Burst Official Wiki | plazmaburst.miraheze.org [22:52:39] [url] User:Dominoqq - CLG Wiki | closinglogosgroup.miraheze.org [22:52:40] [url] All pages - The Stars Are Right | thestarsareright.org [22:52:40] [discord] we've lots of spam [22:52:41] [url] Global account information for Alexaclient - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [22:52:42] [url] User:Dominoqq - Rotten Websites Wiki | rottenwebsites.miraheze.org [22:52:44] [url] User:Dominoqq- - Mr. Love Wiki | mrlove.wiki [22:52:58] [discord] damn [22:53:24] [discord] it seems these bots are becoming aware of CentralAuth and global accounts [22:54:05] [discord] I'm going to look like a tyrant with all the locks and cus I've been doing today [22:56:36] [discord] https://plazmaburst.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Sparta7 [22:56:36] [discord] https://plazmaburst.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Sovur [22:56:38] [discord] https://plazmaburst.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Sparaa7 [22:56:38] [url] User:Sovur - Plazma Burst Official Wiki | plazmaburst.miraheze.org [22:56:38] [url] User:Sparta7 - Plazma Burst Official Wiki | plazmaburst.miraheze.org [22:56:39] [discord] https://plazmaburst.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Keuntungan_Bisa_di_Peroleh_Dengan_Bermain_Judi_Slot_Online_QQOWL [22:56:40] [url] User:Sparaa7 - Plazma Burst Official Wiki | plazmaburst.miraheze.org [22:56:40] [discord] https://plazmaburst.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Slotgame77 [22:56:41] [url] User:Keuntungan Bisa di Peroleh Dengan Bermain Judi Slot Online QQOWL - Plazma Burst Official Wiki | plazmaburst.miraheze.org [22:56:42] [discord] https://plazmaburst.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Segelan [22:56:42] [url] User:Slotgame77 - Plazma Burst Official Wiki | plazmaburst.miraheze.org [22:56:43] [discord] https://plazmaburst.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Stefany88 [22:56:43] [url] User:Segelan - Plazma Burst Official Wiki | plazmaburst.miraheze.org [22:56:44] [discord] SocialProfile spam ^ [22:56:44] [url] User:Stefany88 - Plazma Burst Official Wiki | plazmaburst.miraheze.org [22:57:07] [discord] oh dear [22:57:17] [discord] I'm going to need to use more finesse for this aren't I [22:57:21] [discord] https://crappygames.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Qquoonum - SocialProfile spam [22:57:23] [url] User:Qquoonum - Crappy Games Wiki | crappygames.miraheze.org [22:57:27] [discord] i believe it would actually be a /28 in this case [22:57:45] [discord] hm, I was just mimicking what doug did with the 90 and incrementing to 91, 92... [22:57:55] [discord] well the whois tool says it's a /28 range [22:58:22] [discord] I'm going to have to discuss with someone far more authoritative before going much further on that, then [22:58:47] [discord] (for the record: https://whois.toolforge.org/gateway.py?lookup=true&ip=2607%3Afb91%3A132b%3A1be6%3Ad166%3A5e20%3Ade33%3A7a6c) [22:58:48] [url] Whois Gateway - 2607:fb91:132b:1be6:d166:5e20:de33:7a6c | whois.toolforge.org [22:59:13] [discord] hmm, is SocialProfile compatible with AbuseFilter (probably not)? [22:59:21] [discord] I'm finding a lot of spam [22:59:32] [discord] i'll check [22:59:54] [discord] doesn't look like it [23:00:16] [discord] given the absolute mess I'm going to go ahead and wait for an aggregate list to be formed and submitted before going after spam, and in the meantime see if anyone checks the abuse@ email for t-mobile [23:01:25] [discord] GoDaddy sure doesn't [23:01:33] [discord] haven't heard back on any abuse report [23:01:56] [discord] GoDaddy has proxies? [23:02:33] [discord] GoDaddy is a web host and thus subject to the No open proxies policy [23:04:06] [discord] Yeah, GoDaddy's hopeless [23:04:37] [discord] And is also a laughable choice for proxy uses. [23:04:57] [discord] A proxy is a proxy πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ [23:05:06] [discord] Indeed, if it works... [23:05:43] [discord] Special:Log/globalauth reminds me of 1984 \:P [23:10:03] [discord] @raidarr Why didn't you globally block those IPs anyway? [23:10:22] [discord] globally blocking a major service provider is not yet a step we are willing to take [23:10:29] [discord] you'll need to get past both myself and doug on that [23:10:49] [discord] for now I've already sent an abuse report to t-mobile, we'll see if they read their mail. Long shot, but eh [23:11:00] [discord] seemed to work when I emailed about the blogger thing to them [23:11:22] [discord] bad phrasing, when I reported a blog to blogger, so maybe I'll get lucky [23:31:17] [discord] Which blogger? SobySobea's or Noah's?