[04:10:18] I think I found a can of spam here: [[Special:Contributions/As Travelling2208]]... [04:10:18] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/As_Travelling2208 [04:10:24]

[04:19:16] I'm not exactly sure, thats an odd one [04:19:38] it looks like spam but isnt exactly advertising anything or anything like that, just talks about tourism [04:19:46] so idk [04:21:27] I don't know either. I struck me as odd while checking the feeds. [04:27:46] Yeah, I'm not sure what I wanna do there lol [04:28:34] Me either, lol. [04:31:37] We can leave this be if they don't cause anything bad, I guess. Just wanted to report on something sus, but this one is indeed not sus. Just... odd. [04:40:18] I mean it is sus, but idk its not really doing anything idk [04:47:15] I guess we can leave it be, right now. [10:52:59] considering they're only attached to meta and login, have 1 global edit, and have no log actions on meta, I'm inclined to delete just based on duck principle [13:11:12] if it reads like spam without a link, this is a common effort by bots to pass early detection filters to add a link later [13:11:27] if the brand is already specified their job could already be considered done even if not optimally [13:12:04] it is slammed as a spam-only reference [13:12:43] I would like to see if eventually a reference for spam tells can be made, I am thinking mostly based on cvt wiki but it is an abuse category that seems unlikely to train itself into being a pita out of our open information [15:58:12] cvt wiki sounds good to stop spammers from using the information, but meta admins don't have the ability to see cvt wiki [15:58:54] as far as I can tell that would only affect harej and zppix so might not be that bad [16:11:25] Harej can get access through dint of TS rights, though I think it'd be worth expanding CVTwiki remit to include meta admins and TS inherently [16:13:30] ts I consider ex officio members anyway [16:14:07] I think previously I was fuzzy on that but I'll plant the stake more certainly now on TS having at least audit visibility and right to comment on both wikicreators and cvt [16:14:42] more broadly I am agreeable to if you see it you can comment if it is natural to your role including tech if they have something to add, though they'd not be obliged to [16:15:28] for meta admins, I am agreeable, and perhaps to wiki creators as of the current crew. In the past I would not have said so but I do not have distinct trust issues with wiki creators now and as the process will look like going forward [16:16:10] this would bring things largely in line with the prevailing access thinking for mcr as well [16:16:54] raidarr: agree on TS being ex-officio members of CVTwiki. arguably Directors too, but that is a Meta only group [16:17:29] board also sounds good to me [16:17:48] access to the wikis is individually assigned anyway unless global visibility is built in [16:18:02] true [16:19:11] Do Directors still have the ability to perform T&S actions in the absence of a T&S Responder as they did with Miraheze Limited? [16:20:09] if so, it may be worth amending their Meta group to have access to `userrights`. granted, it's usually not necessary, though, given the current T&S team complement [16:35:06] That is not a director function currently, no [16:37:34] (though if it's an emergency and all other lines have fallen, the board has quite broad declarative powers to just declare a temp hat if needed.) [16:39:56] that's good [16:49:25] its more likely a steward will come across something that has to be dealt with absolutely now, do that, and then ts picks up the followup. A rare occasion in any case [17:15:52] We have pretty broad availability across our volunteering roles now so I imagine there's always someone who can help (maybe with a bit of team work) [17:19:50] agreed [20:27:28] I think having Meta admins could be beneficial as we do see a gambit of LTAs and it would be nice to be able to coordinate what we see with CVT as well [20:36:31] I'm similarly aligned, Meta admins have a clear rationale. [20:37:16] WRs don't have as clear-cut a case, but for those who are CVT aspirants or just interested, I suppose that'd be fine on a case-by-case basis. [20:37:40] It's not NDA-bound content, anyway [20:54:22] agreed with ^ though I'd also note that technically the Counter Vandalism Team includes non-global permissioned community volunteers who perform counter vandalism activities across wikis, too [21:49:36] it was never really agreed upon because the line was too messy but I've thought of cvt being open to select unroled helpers as well [21:50:04] otherwise my thinking for wiki creator is prolific wiki creators who have cause to watch for or record certain types of shenanigans which definitely occur in the request process [22:03:24] raidarr: that's generally my view as well. of course, if someone takes it upon themselves to be an unroled CVT member and their work is, well, not meeting the acceptable standards, presumably it would be stewards who would take them aside and kindly ask them to cease their cross-wiki counter-vandalism work until they have completed some training and meet the required standard [22:11:03] essentially the main bar we use for that is to not present yourself in a position where you can take an action if you actually can't, and not to represent the platform either if that's not your (likely elected) capability [22:11:35] other cases haven't come up much, yet [22:18:59] raidarr: yeah, for sure, essentially all unroled unofficial CVT volunteers can do is `undo` obvious vandalism