[02:14:30] Everyone getting nitro because of epic games? [02:14:33] Wow wow. [13:44:15] Morning. [13:57:58] I wish I did :WAH: [15:42:40] by the way, there's one thing that I'm definitely happy with the new wordmark settings: it's an actual instead of background-image [15:51:50] Man, I gotta say, I find a lot of the design choices for new vector to be questionable at best. The funny part is it probably wouldn't feel so bad if they didn't set a max width on the page content. [15:56:05] personally I find it disgusting [16:11:13] Are you talking about the new vector design? I think the legacy is still used on Wikipedia. [16:11:35] yeah it's the new one [16:11:47] And on Miraheze Meta. [16:11:49] I disabled it globally over on wikimedia a while ago and haven't worried about it [16:11:51] same here [16:24:20] @Void > Man, I gotta say, I find a lot of the design choices for new vector to be questionable at best. The funny part is it probably wouldn't feel so bad if they didn't set a max width on the page content. [16:24:20] :100: yeah. The worst part with New Vector is, at least on Wikimedia's Outreach wiki, it doesn't remember your preference across sessions when you've set Legacy Vector as your preference [16:24:55] chrs, wow, disgusting is a bit harsh, but I don't disagree. I'd say it's wholly underwhelming and unappealing [16:25:17] I wouldn't call it disgusting, I'd probably call it a masterpiece. [16:25:23] really? [16:25:27] dmehus: perhaps, but I really dislike the max width [16:25:40] @Doug Talking to me? [16:25:42] chrs, yeah...that's not great either [16:25:47] DarkMatterMan4500, yes :) [16:25:54] Yes. [16:26:12] what do you love about it, DarkMatterMan4500? [16:26:23] what are the top three things that make it "a masterpiece"? [16:26:24] it feels like it's wikiapedia not new vector [16:26:33] chrs, yes! [16:26:44] I didn't mean it in a good way, I should've clarified that it was a masterpiece in a not-so-good way. [16:26:50] oh [16:27:12] * dmehus has never heard of a masterpiece being a negative thing, but I can see it, I guess [16:27:26] A masterpiece of rubbish, essentially? [16:27:41] Yes. [16:27:45] ah [16:30:29] Also, for the past few days, I've been noticing random spam-bots with the name "Comment" for whatever reason, creating cross-wiki accounts, and on a similar note, R4356th has been having similar spam-bot problems on his wiki as well. [16:31:51] updates todo list [16:32:17] you could use an abusefilter to block/tag the usernames if you wanted [16:32:21] So you're going out and squashing them now? Okay then, sounds good to me. [16:32:40] actually the title blacklist would probably work since they're so formulaic [16:33:13] I personally don't notice the difference. Wikipedia looks the same as legacy vector to me. When the new vector is enabled the only difference I see is they added some toggle feature to the side menu, as well changing the logo to a horizontal one rather than a square. I wonder if they actually improved the core issues with Vector, like the lack of ability to easily modify the colours without having to change [16:33:14] like 100 classes in CSS. [16:34:51] Whenever I've worked on a custom website (not related to MediaWiki), setting a document root with colour variables is the first thing I do in the CSS. That way, I can just change those colours in one spot without having to change it elsewhere. Why Vector does not do that is a mystery to me. [16:36:53] Wikipedia actually tried to work on an official dark mode for Vector at some point, but apparently gave up. I wonder if it has to do with how tedious modifying the skin is, or if bureaucracy/excessive standardization got in the way of the design. [16:39:06] The bureaucracy on Wikipedia/Wikimedia has long since surpassed a Kafkaesque nightmare, so knowing the true reasoning behind many of their decisions is very difficult. [16:40:01] eh not really [17:02:56] @DarkMatterMan4500, I'll try and take a look at the spambots later today, but please do not keep reposting the same thing multiple times across multiple channels and platforms. Thanks. :) [17:03:36] @chrs, yeah I'm thinking we could deploy that abuse filter globally, tbh [17:04:58] @Doug Sorry. [17:17:02] No problem. :) [17:19:00] dmehus: speaking of that abuse filter, it caught one bot back in may and then they just stopped [17:25:22] chrs, oh, hrm. I've seen it still catching spambots lately on other wikis? [17:26:02] yeah they seem to have just stopped targeting it [17:33:53] oh, you mean your wiki? [17:34:11] yeah [17:34:27] as I've seen instances on `testwiki` lately, but yeah it's reduced, hence why we should probably look at deploying globally [17:35:13] I'd also like to enable StopForumSpam as a default or global extension and set up the StopForumSpam blacklist of IPs to be downloaded and updated on a weekly basis on a cron [17:35:18] I think that would also help [17:35:37] sounds like it could help [17:37:10] yeah that's quite a few hits on testwiki [17:37:56] dmehus: is there any proof of its effect? [17:40:02] Should be in graylog so might be worth checking [17:40:15] If it's having an impact then it's worth investing in [17:41:39] Hmmmm, I wonder if the StopForumSpam would block out IPs, but to my knowledge, it could be more effective if used with careful timing. [17:44:56] It's just a list of IPs to block automatically [17:45:25] And a lot of hit detection points from there as well. [17:53:49] Okay, I made it in here. [17:56:34] RhinosF1, hrm? I think you're misunderstanding. Right now, as far as I'm aware, the StopForumSpam IP blacklist is not updated, so needs to be updated as they do update the IP blacklist regularly [17:57:18] I'd say probably 60-80% of spambots use some identified StopForumSpam IP according to proxychecker [17:57:35] Well then, I'd say they should've been updated when the update happened yesterday. [17:57:45] yeah [17:57:50] I should file a task actually [17:57:54] I've been putting it off [17:58:11] Well then, you go right ahead and do that. [18:03:26] dmehus: oh it's not updated no [18:03:30] But that's a helpful stat [19:51:25] RhinosF1, yeah it's just an anecdotal stat based on my collective observations of recent global blocks in the last three months or so, and is approximate [19:51:40] I'll file a task later, should I triage as normal or low? [20:56:55] dmehus: normal [20:57:04] Anecdotal fine [20:57:08] It's just so we know [20:58:39] RhinosF1, ack, thanks :) [21:03:51] it's always funny to think the world cup is way more popular than the olympics [21:05:47] Lake, heh [22:00:08] Should a Pokemon Miraheze wiki be created? [22:00:39] There's actually already multiple Pokemon wikis on there. [22:00:54] Okay. [23:12:23] No offense to British people [23:12:24] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/853773828462346270/image0.jpg