[00:07:49] Air quality here is terrible [00:34:03] lmao wtf? do you guys hate him that much or smth? [00:40:41] well, some do and that's why an RfC was started [00:40:49] but it was blanked and archived [00:40:54] so 🤷 [01:52:30] i don't even know who that is [01:59:15] Yeah, let's just drop it as we don't want more shit to be rubbed onto the already shat on RfC. [02:34:22] well anyways, I setup CreateWiki and ManageWiki on a test farm after grueling days of work. The MW page for the extensions need to be updated, maybe I'll add better instructions into the guide [02:34:53] but it did require a bunch of SQL hacks because CreateWiki complained that no wiki existed and didn't let me run update.php [02:58:54] and even then, it's still partially broken [10:35:25] Well, I finally got my new phone yesterday. It's a UleFone. [11:06:41] If you can present a bit of evidence for me to fall back on, I can address it personally and defend when it is done. [11:07:03] Even a summary thing that has its own sources would work for corroboration. [11:07:52] It was partisan and for that reason, rather quickly knocked by the meta regulars. So it didn't go far or long and was a case of more internal issue spilling out, which at this point is more visible on the noticeboards. [11:55:16] hypocrisy [11:55:16] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/867374162724126730/Screenshot_20210721_004507.jpg [11:55:30] i won't say the shows perfect but that reason is dumb [12:32:10] Hm, should I use infoboxs for place info? [12:38:44] why not? but I, personally, don't make infobox if there will be less than 3 parameters and no pic, just sticking to plain text on the page [12:41:14] 4 prams [12:45:32] How is that reason dumb? [12:45:56] dosen't mickey mouse clubhouse do the same thing? [12:46:17] and that show is on the opposite wiki [12:53:09] Yes, but I still don't see where in that part. [12:53:39] the first few seconds of the intro do the exact same thing [12:54:02] mickey asks you if you wanna come inside his clubhouse silence well alright [12:54:59] then there's the OH TOODLES stuff and the magik password [12:55:16] in general a good chunk of episodes have at least 3 4th wall breaks [12:58:10] Well, I did just change it. [12:58:21] Meh [13:01:33] the show isn't as bad as..... other shows imo [13:01:55] there are some other bad shows that have yet to get a page [13:02:52] rolie polie ollie is imo worse [13:03:02] if you like it im fine [13:06:13] also on the playhouse disney page they say this: The block had some bad shows like Go Baby (2004), JoJo's Circus, and Happy Monster Band. [13:06:33] i find it weird how jojo of all shows was given a page [13:06:38] and ONLY jojo [13:06:55] since that's the only disney junior show on the wiki [13:09:58] The reason highlights a fairly valid point, which is effectively lazy writing to serve a plot enabling purpose even though you can counter argue on the validity of attempted, if simplistic audience engagement. So there is a point, but I do agree it's fairly weak, especially with the opening statement. [13:10:35] I would rather highlight the laziness of use than '4th wall breaks can be considered annoying' though; anything can be considered annoying and if the 4th wall breaks are instrumental to the show's purpose, then it is not a valid universal bad property. [13:11:05] But I'm only singling out a possible point in the middle of a poory explained one, so don't mind me. [13:11:13] but again, a show on the opposite wiki does the same thing [13:11:50] @raidarr Hi [13:11:56] also from what i mostly seen, a good chunk of people like the show. the only people who hate it are - the miraheze community - gotards [13:11:59] It highlights what I'd consider a critical flaw in the formula, which is that anything can be considered bad or annoying in context. There are valid highlights based on the execution of an idea, but it takes context that is decently thought through to make it happen. [13:12:55] And another issue is how many negative points can just be latched on top of each other without any widespread backing or decent logic to the point, I am personally convinced the reception wikis are nearly impossible to 'fix' without a new formula altogether because in order to survive, they encourage faulty logic and attempting to drown in sometimes plain wrong reasoning. [13:13:10] the show isn't as bad as what people make it out to be. also some very minor problems are addressed and they try to make it look so major it ruins it [13:13:29] i don't hate anyone for hating the show [13:13:30] Plus it takes critical thinking to really assess an audience and its reception as compared to simple transcription of opinions you've heard, or seen in an echo chamber. [13:14:18] I kinda think the RW are a drama sink myself [13:14:47] here's a major thing to take into consideration while making negative pages on nick jr, disney junior or pbs kids shows: at the end of the day, it's still a preschoolers show [13:15:08] a preschoolers show isn't gonna be action packed or shit like that [13:15:20] Fundamentally yes, but I get some weird pleasure about trying to theorize how things could be done right, if the direction was changed. Which I assume is very unlikely, so I mainly just comment and hope a minority of users can see the problems and attempt to take a more productive direction. [13:15:36] there was a reason why they were banned originally [13:15:44] until someone removed the ban [13:16:55] It is highly essential to consider the intended audience and to assess issues in context of that direction; it is unhelpful to complain about something that can't be validated because it's inappropriate in the first place. But I will say there is validity to holding children's shows accountable to a minimum of common sense as I do believe the average bar for quality has slackened from 'children's thing with adult [13:16:56] principles' to at times completely mindless content. But that enters a highly debatable area, and at that point a reception wiki's duty (in my mind) is to transcribe the arguments, but not tell you how to think. [13:17:34] I would attempt such a wiki myself, but having made and not completed a shell I'm afraid I can't say when or if I'll be able to realize that approach. [13:17:55] i personally don't hate any preschool show (unless the animation is god awful and it actually teaches bad morals like lying is the key) [13:20:18] and not to mention the shows "bad episodes" don't take up every episodes [13:20:40] there is the good episodes [13:20:50] then there's the bad ones [13:22:06] I don't think it should be a matter of like or hate [13:23:38] Formally I think a reception wiki should strive to be accurate to receptions and their arguments, and the line has been irreversibly blurred into semantics as to what is opinion, what is justified, what is 'reception' and so on. Personally I try to avoid ever assessing or taking actions based on a personal dislike, only if there is some proactive goal or a neutral assessment that may or may not validate my opinion. I [13:23:39] distinguish what I personally think of a thing from how the wider world or certain individuals would think, and that is the true proactive attitude in my opinion. Obviously how well I realize it varies. [13:24:28] Obviously the line isn't very far if it's something like "Cuties", but even there you can make an enlightening breakdown of not just what is wrong, but why it is seen that way and what made it worse the way it was presented [13:50:12] https://taerel.com/wiki/index.php/Taerel:Atyal-Lysh_Broadleaf_Forest - does this template look good? [13:50:13] [url] Taerel:Atyal-Lysh Broadleaf Forest - Taerel Wiki | taerel.com [13:52:01] looks nice but the dark grey block - it should be a header or? [13:55:13] Look again, [13:55:20] And that is a header [13:57:20] looks same it seems like my phone always refuses to show your site properly, I'll better be quite on advices 😅 [18:10:53] This is my dog, Enjio. [18:10:53] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/867468686235009025/IMG_20210720_174639_291.jpg [18:11:51] Yes, this channel is for off-topic, so posting this is fine. [18:40:04] Sure [19:15:02] I am thinking of hiring mods for my wiki! https://fakemediacollabwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [19:15:03] [url] Atrocious nonexistent media Wiki | fakemediacollabwiki.miraheze.org [19:16:58] You mean moderators? [19:23:28] @Soda11pro! Ow my eyes [19:24:25] What color should it be then? [19:26:49] Try this: #80fc72# for the side bar [19:29:05] Try this: #81fcb0 and this for the main area: #ccfcdf and see what you think [19:30:21] Try the #ccfcdf for the content area [19:31:53] Try the #ccfcdf for the content area @Soda11pro! [19:32:34] Like this! [19:32:34] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/867489244008153109/unknown.png [19:32:40] Yes and say what you think [19:33:49] ok [19:34:13] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/867489660750004234/unknown.png [19:35:13] it looks good! [19:35:14] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/867489915323678730/unknown.png [19:35:19] Far better [19:36:33] Also I am going to prompte someone to mod! [19:36:33] coloring the tabs and eveything esle is possable as well [19:37:47] Those tabs can be colored, along with many other parts of the skin, makes the skin look good that way [19:38:37] Aslo, see though looks and curved corners are able to be done as well [19:39:04] @Soda11pro! who will you make mod? [19:40:20] circly foes extracter or you! [19:40:28] Ty [19:40:39] In case this Wiki becomes active while I am gone! [19:40:44] You mean CircleyDoesExtracter? [19:40:46] having a few mods to corver timezones is a good idea [19:41:09] yes [19:42:45] Just a nitpick, there is a lot oif rules here to read though [19:43:13] And I belive someone might of been altering your doc @Soda11pro! [19:53:09] I resized that the rules are carryed over form the burning cites wiki! [19:53:53] At the start you don't need loads of rules. Think 4-5 impoant ones [21:19:57] honestly should we add the 45th annual macy's thanksgiving day parade (1971)? [21:20:53] it was more safe than 1997 but it was balloonless [21:28:13] or maybe 1998? like 1971 it was safe but - Garfield, Spider Man, Quik Bunny and Wild Thing were all popped before the start - Wilward Scott (host from 1987 to 1997) left - Balloons like Bart Simpson, Woody Woodpecker, Betty Boop, Olive Oyl, The Pink Panther and The Cat in the Hat were banned (thankfully tcith was banned) - The Newcomers were a little lack luster (Dexter, Wild Thing and Babe)