[01:22:44] I would definitely think so. [02:03:12] while it's been hot as hell in north america and europe... [02:03:25] i'm freezing here [08:24:15] Do Oversighters may make “appear” invisible edits by IPs? I was wondering because We had issues of propaganda by different ips on Nonciclopedia, but they keep changing and writing evading BAN… [08:26:44] I don't understand the question [08:27:34] In short: is it possible to make invisible edits and silent Ips? [08:28:02] To avoid vandalism and propaganda [08:29:29] *Silence xD [08:33:39] Edits aren't invisible [08:34:25] They'll show but you just won't be able to see at least one of username / edit summary / diff [08:34:32] It'll say it's been removed [08:40:59] Okey it was different in Fandom… srry 😉 [08:46:53] A lot has changed since fandom's version [08:47:01] Did revdel exist then? [08:53:59] Two words: Discussions Moderators [08:54:59] I was referring to this [08:55:38] Similar would be fine to manage propaganda [08:55:46] By IPs [08:57:08] Here [08:57:39] Usually made in discussion pages [08:58:00] Like in Nonciclopedia [08:58:08] Command sent from Discord by Executive: [08:58:08] ,) [09:27:57] "invisible edits and silent IPs" Okay but I'm pretty sure neither of those exist. [09:28:15] ...also those would only exacerbate vandalism issues, just on paper. [09:39:22] I think they are powers in the hands of Over [09:39:44] But not used for these reasons [09:39:55] Yep you’re right [09:40:24] But we haven’t so many other options [09:41:23] Command sent from Discord by Executive: [09:41:23] ,) [10:34:01] Oversighter is the level of seeing deleted edits and being able to permanently remove them from edit history, it's not a special thing where you can just invisibly edit stuff without personally appearing in history. [10:34:17] Even when it's done, a deleted edit will show that something was deleted there, it just won't say what. [10:34:55] I may be mixing up the permissions a bit and so am speaking in vague as far as the farthest I've seen MediaWiki personally handle, which is to that level even on Fandom when staff get involved. [10:36:56] No… to make IP edits/mssgg invisible/deleted by default, sorry my eng it is a bit confusing xD [10:37:28] But thx anyway 😉 [10:42:49] Practically, there's nothing that happens on-wiki that cannot be tracked, even deletions can be tracked, Bots edit can be tracked too. There's no way you can be editing and your contributions will be hidden from log, whether IP or whatever. I hope you understand, @Executive [10:43:06] Yep [10:44:20] My kb is broken [10:49:51] kb? [10:51:11] Keyboard [10:52:17] Yeah, I know, was like, hdym your kb is broken [10:52:25] Like spoilt? [10:52:39] Enter key broke [10:57:58] Oh [11:41:15] @raidarr: oversighters can't permenantly remove content [11:41:44] The only way to permenantly remove things is via the db. It's just visible to less people. [11:58:03] Ah, thought the highest levels included actual content deletion. Good to know. [12:13:28] #Me too 0o [14:00:19] https://www.deviantart.com/gillbertheratrattusm/art/OC-Ref-Shari-Pesli-887164326 [14:00:20] [url] [OC Ref] - Shari Pesli by GillberTheRatRattusM on DeviantArt | www.deviantart.com [14:11:48] I studied chem, I thought of you ,) [14:12:17] This is even theoretical xD [14:12:18] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/870307745474150410/image0.jpg [15:16:52] i just discovered someone made a skin more or less based on FandomDesktop [15:16:58] but it's very poorly optimized [15:32:26] Were @Lake [15:34:21] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Evelution [15:34:22] [url] Skin:Evelution - MediaWiki | www.mediawiki.org [15:44:13] Ty [15:46:34] Very poorly optimized? [15:47:04] yes, it seems [15:47:23] What does that mean? [15:47:31] I sort of know 'why', but I do somewhat wonder why it's there >.> [15:47:43] Why? [15:47:54] From a skin offering standpoint I have to wonder 'why' [15:48:04] It is funny that the 'modern' mediawiki skin in no way looks modern, though [15:49:08] Heh [15:52:19] I might end up taking inspiration from Qualitipedia and turning my 'all in one' mech wiki into split wikis for each game instead >.> [15:52:42] Original wiki as meta hub and general information/directory and subwikis for each game's contents. [15:53:04] Ok [15:53:19] Think that would be alright by MH standards, hopefully. [15:53:32] Could you maint it? [15:53:53] Not sure what maint means in this context. [15:54:30] Maintain i suppose [15:55:08] I don't know if TBP skips letters on purpose or if the keyboard has more letters broken [15:55:47] Mainly I'm not sure I like the prospect of doing up to a good 5 wikis of work for something that could theoretically be done in one, but I suppose given individual games have too many individual details it would be simpler to grow them independently. [15:56:15] I think you could make ome wiki and put the other games in different namespaces. Is ten time more work to have different wikis in terms of categories, templates, etc [15:57:26] And you can set the namespaces as searchable like content namespace [15:58:01] The only downside i see is that you need to write the name of the namespace as a preffic every time [15:58:06] Namespace is possible, but not good from an SEO and general design perspective. [15:58:30] At that point I'd rather do proper category work and other planning while still preserving page name integrity as the idea is now. [15:58:38] For example: "Mechwarrior3: Vehicles". Instead of "Vehicles". [15:59:23] At that point to preserve the split and naming integrity I'd prefer to splinter mediawiki installations, to be honest. [15:59:44] If people can stay in the same wiki that could be great. But i have read you that they are cliquish and clannish [16:00:40] Part of the problem is really aesthetic control + naming conventions + each game really having a lot of similarities and content overlaps. but also most areas overlapping in critical ways. [16:00:55] If you want to make a common ground, making different wikis is not a common ground. Or at least i don't know how that could be common [16:00:57] Ideally I'd probably have a domain structure and interconnected search in the way of another installation hosted independently that I know of. [16:01:26] But to fully realize that I'd probably have to go fully independent in domain, which is possible, but a large part of what I wanted to avoid in coming to miraheze in the first place. [16:01:56] Interwiki search is very doable and would be the cleanest end-user experience for what I imagine, but I'm not sure how many elements of that I can achieve on MH. [16:02:03] I like the concept "All in one". Is the thing i'm trying to do with my wiki [16:02:14] I like it in theory as well; in execution, hm. [16:24:16] Styling namespaces For example, to set the background color of pages in a particular namespace (and its associated talk namespace) you can add the following code to your common.css: .ns-3000 #content, .ns-3001 #content { background-color: #f3f3ff; } .ns-3000 div.thumb, .ns-3001 div.thumb { border-color: #f3f3ff; } where 3000 is the namespace's index and #f3f3ff is the color you want as its background [16:24:17] color. [16:24:37] From: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces#Styling_namespaces [16:24:38] [url] Manual:Using custom namespaces - MediaWiki | www.mediawiki.org [16:25:06] Looks like I can theme my wiki per namespace [16:32:11] A primary drive for me is reader usability, and while it's not a massive one, building on namespaces is a cost to general internet usefulness on a few small quirks that do build up. [16:35:46] It would be a pian to move all pages now [16:39:47] May be able to use this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:NamespaceDupes.php to move pages [16:39:48] [url] Manual:namespaceDupes.php - MediaWiki | www.mediawiki.org [16:40:06] Yes, I think so.. [16:41:32] Use a database query To move all pages "Bar:Some page" into namespace 3000, make the following database query: UPDATE page SET page_title = REPLACE(page_title, 'Bar:', ''), page_namespace = 3000 WHERE page_title LIKE 'Bar:%' AND page_namespace=0 [16:41:42] Would be the other way [18:08:48] Parappa the Rapper [20:41:29] but yes, Steward is such a hard word to translate [20:42:16] the stew [20:42:52] steward. Yes. I think is spanish is "delegado" [20:43:20] the advantage is that is not confused with an admin or with a sysadmin [20:43:52] in portuguese, "delegado" usually refers to police chiefs, lol [20:44:05] (or if it's used as a verb, it means "delegate") [20:44:17] Then stewards are the ones who counter vandalism? [20:44:51] Steward comes from stig ("house") + ward ("guardian"), what if we coined a term merging those two words in our own native languages [20:45:13] Casaguarda in Spanish? [20:45:19] Casiguardian? [20:45:21] Who level up the game. Ethymology 😄 👍 [20:45:44] I mean, welcome in romance languages is a calque of the German Welcome [20:46:03] WMF seem to leave it as Stewards in in Spanish [20:46:04] "House-guardian" seems like something I would type [20:46:05] sorry for the typos 😅 [20:46:06] Hence in Spanish = bien ("well") + venido ("come") = welcome [20:46:19] let us brainstorm 🧠 [20:46:29] What do you mean by that? [20:47:00] That following the policy of WMF we should keep it as Steward too. In a foreign tongue [20:47:03] Well, that's my recommendation for translations, but don't let me get in the way of creativity :) (source: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Group-steward/es) [20:47:04] [url] MediaWiki:Group-steward/es - Meta | meta.wikimedia.org [20:47:28] "House-guardian" [20:47:31] tbh the most difficult thing to me is to translate pronouns, lol [20:47:51] Guardian de la casa sounds very long [20:48:00] Meh [20:48:09] I wouldn't translate Steward [20:48:12] Hence why we merge it to form Casaguarda or something [20:48:18] It's too big of a rabbit hole [20:48:22] because these things technically don't have gender, and masculine would be the neutral by default, but some words simply don't seem to "fit" that [20:48:31] I'm going to add it to Wiktionary and then say it's a word [20:48:34] /s [20:48:41] That would be easier [20:49:21] I think steward in a wiki is not something that guards the entrance of the wiki, or that it guards the structure of the wiki, so the meaning is not kept. Is a different profession [20:49:28] Come on everyone, transalte Steward into your languages using House guardian as a base! [20:49:34] lol [20:49:37] transalte? [20:49:49] I think 🤔 the word steward doesn't have a specific translation or maybe it's hard, If it's translated in Spanish the same word might mean another thing in Portuguese [20:49:51] translate* [20:50:10] Not really, we're making up words lol [20:50:27] At least this ain't Teletubby land or some shit lol [20:50:31] Kae'harrth [Taerel tyle conlang]. House-guardian [my typing style] [20:51:40] Innkeeper [20:51:56] Ok, i have to go, bye [20:52:04] 👋 [20:53:32] "manages-the-wiki" "cleans-the-streets" "helps-the-users" Steward fanstay names [20:53:59] fanstay? [20:55:22] Wiki-keepers, spammer-banners, account-lockers, people-helpers, rule-makers [steward names] [20:55:37] Have a good night rest 🇲 🇮 🇷 🇦 🇭 🇪 🇿 🇪 [20:55:37] @Ugochimobi Too many emojis. [20:55:48] Hehe 😋 [20:55:57] Steward does have particular colloquial meaning on Miraheze, so preserving its structure through translations (including in spanish) would probably be reasonable over trying a more literal but less iconic replacement [20:56:26] you're telling me Casaguarda does not retain it's meaning?! [20:56:31] I usually keep some terms in the original [20:56:34] a casawhatada [20:56:34] are you even bilingual?! [20:56:42] house guardians must be translated [20:56:47] the ones I translate are the ones that look similar [20:56:47] it's a must [20:56:52] I'm barely literate in English, I don't even try with other languages [20:56:54] :red_angry_face: [20:56:59] /s btw [20:57:04] At most I can somewhat understand a spot of German [20:57:11] like, Administrator -> Administrador [20:57:16] or User -> Usuário [20:57:37] well, who knows, maybe one day a term for Steward will be coined in other languages [20:57:41] 🤷‍♂️ [20:57:46] maybe not [20:59:15] True [21:01:16] ?? [21:01:54] All things start by usage [21:01:59] Let Miraheze make the difference :p [21:03:45] maybe if we get support from the Stewards House guardians, it'll happen [22:24:40] I don't steward do the same functions that house guardians do [23:32:06] what, i can't shitpost here [23:42:14] It still counts as trolling either way. [23:42:29] aww, that's no fun [23:43:40] Please consider finding something else to do.