[00:43:36] The logo of fandom looks horrible. Is uglier than before [00:52:12] ^ [00:52:16] Fandom is doomed. [00:53:05] At this point, they've won the SEO race, I doubt this'll be prejudicial to them [01:07:46] Yeah no, calling 'doomed' is very nearsighted I'm afraid [01:08:04] It does likely mean that the niche for something like Miraheze will grow, even if they will remain big [13:01:50] i honestly liked the Desktop version more [13:02:29] Thing of the past I'm afraid [13:02:49] Unless there's some large screen bounceback, visitor and mobile first is their target audience with very well measured results [13:02:51] i dont think its possible to Go back to the main desktop without an account [13:03:25] I have to say the yellow coloring is bafflingly poor to me as far as intentions [13:04:11] i wonder if its possible to change [13:05:01] Logged in, easily; logged out, would take an extension or custom tweaks from the browser [13:05:12] Mobile an utter pain in the ass to do either from :p [13:05:32] Fandom will die if they keep this up [13:06:19] but ya know there staff don't give a care what the community thinks of the changes they make. [13:08:38] Frankly I doubt they will. [13:09:01] there staff are pretty rude in general [13:10:07] They make changes with search optimization and 'least common denominator' (currently, random mobile search result traffic) in mind, and for that purposes most of what they do is well advised. Can't say I get the fast food color approach, but other than that there is very little I see that will be a substantial blip in their business model, which is able to effectively bully the verbose, yet smaller and ultimately dependent [13:10:08] core of wiki editors. [13:10:09] they even global block people for not even violating terms of service [13:11:01] Said editors have the unfortunate position of either complying as changes come one at a time or the uphill struggle of building independently from scratch, which lacks a clear start to finish procedure and is either intimidating or becomes so when people realize the manual work of starting from scratch. [13:11:10] unless something really bad will happen to them suddenly, they won't "die", it's a corporation after all [13:11:29] I dislike overly bright coolors @raidarr [13:11:39] true but they need better staff who show respect for edtiors [13:11:43] It takes massive controversy in a fell swoop or a decisive market change to really kill a business even if the active commenting core constantly bashes them. [13:12:37] alot of users did leave because of upc [13:12:39] They could certainly benefit from caring a bit more at the editor level. But alas, often the business attitude is 'what's the least we can do and make it big' [13:12:48] And I never reeally had many run ins with fandom staff [13:13:03] fandom is more in it for the money [13:13:16] VTSF yes, but the staff seemed hlpful enough [13:13:16] I can't say I was smart by trying to discuss a strategic approach with them, only got my project locked out :p [13:13:29] As a business, naturally they are in for profit. [13:13:37] they deleted or locked ur account? [13:13:48] One even deleted my wiki when I asked via "Contact" [13:14:06] Na, I had a project idea that I tried to sell in context of existing work and they redirected my domain to a fairly irrelevant wiki for a game in the same series, but very different approach. [13:14:12] they delete wikis for no good reason @Universal Omega had a similar issue [13:14:34] They already have an understandable bone against duplicate communities, but I think the way they handled my case was born of ignorance. [13:14:43] I asked them o and they had no reaon not to detele it hen asked [13:15:07] The franchise in question is a total mess on Fandom, and I attempted to discuss the matter with them. The conclusion was mainly 'just take it to this one gamepedia wiki and forget about the others' [13:15:14] in my opinion there excuses are straight up bull shit [13:15:26] If I do anything with that one wiki, it would be to take that wiki to Miraheze and rebuild it >.> [13:15:49] I got no exuses, I skeed for the wiki to be deleted and they did it [13:15:55] But obviously that's all an eyes too big for the stomach issue [13:16:56] this is actually funny, consider yourself lucky if you convinced fandom to close wiki per your request [13:17:11] just note if you constantly bug them about something they will eventually threaten to global lock your account [13:17:13] because they usually won't do that [13:17:29] They do it under a certain set of conditions [13:17:55] Mainly, there's not enough community there for it to matter/there's concensus and so it's not much of a loss if it closes [13:18:16] I think I said "I am the only eeditor.... someting esle...." [13:18:18] you lose all your hard work when they delete [13:18:30] its like did all this work for nothing [13:19:21] I had migration on my mind, but reading up how it's usually happens, I pretend that I just grew tired of wikis and didn't tell about migration lol [13:19:45] I think I convenly left out my miraheze wiki [13:19:49] miraheze is great [13:20:10] yeah, liking it so far ... [13:20:23] miraheze gives alot more freedom [13:20:32] Miraheze is a much more open book for project creation [13:20:57] It's not a great supplement for all fandom editors who like it guided, but I dare say it needs to exist [13:21:37] it just seems to be unwelcoming for fandom users and newbies overall [13:22:04] I crafted couple of infoboxes on templaye mh, let's see if they'll be useful [13:22:09] Well the trick is, Miraheze is not nearly as 'guided' as Fandom; it's the strength and the weakness in the way you have Linux vs Windows. [13:22:24] Both have critical market niches, but the Windows philosophy always has its appeal no matter how stupid it acts at times [13:24:28] But, Miraheze can always improve that approach, I just can't concentrate on any given thing well enough to do it justice [13:28:42] I guess examples of portable infoboxes would be useful too [13:28:59] Fandom Desktop version prior to August 2021 rebranding was better. The blue color was tolerable [13:29:21] Templates Wiki can do quite a lot to ease the transition [13:29:31] Not just storing templates, but actually explaining how to structure things [13:29:37] yup [13:30:02] why cant they like opt-in like how mira and wikipedia does for their skins [13:30:38] They simply don't want to, they refuse to maintain split codebases for compliance and to ease development for their backend [13:30:57] A skin on fandom is much more than a drop-in overlay as it's presented on Miraheze [13:30:58] bruh [13:31:08] At least, that is how they explain it [13:31:15] I still remember the removal of monobook [13:31:17] also was that a complicated way to say they are lazy [13:31:28] I leave the conclusions to others :p [13:31:48] monobook reminds me of bulba! [13:31:49] i have to agree on this statement [13:31:54] they are more in it for the money] [13:32:01] Decked out monobook can be excellent today [13:32:06] although I never liked monoboo lol [13:32:16] eh i think monobook is ok [13:32:19] have a look at wiki.twcenter.net, I think that site does it justice [13:32:24] Granted, terrible on mobile [13:33:02] i mean mobile can have like the mobile skin thingy (forget what uts call) [13:33:18] Mobile integration is a bit dreadful, tbh [13:33:23] I mean, probably said that before, I like the type of layout that puts main content in center of the screen, and that's why I liked wikia in the first place [13:33:28] MediaWiki in general is behind the curve on integration [13:33:39] wow 15 mins we have been going on about Fandumb [13:33:41] wdym [13:33:48] Complaints can go on for years :p [13:33:53] am i the only one who still says it as wikia [13:34:12] i think they mean that mediawiki is a bit slow to integrate new functions [13:34:24] Fandom goes mobile-first, by default MediaWiki is always a bit behind on good mobile looks, defaults for desktop and is generally an uphill battle to do right [13:34:46] fandumb or Wankia [13:34:59] Kinda how Phpbb is perfectly good forum software, but boy is it behind in terms of latest accommodations [13:35:06] And with that I'm off to work life [13:35:24] well, in general I think it's my biggest problem with MediaWiki it's just how slow things are developed [13:35:55] oh [13:36:05] are there still some function needed in media wiki [13:36:12] im not rlly updated with media wiki updates [13:36:33] well, MW just started to support JS ES6 this year, and still not directly into common.js [13:36:42] o [13:36:48] and es5 is like, old [13:37:45] i know it's mostly due to internet explorer legacy support, but would be better if we could switch this, because I personally don't care about supporting outdated browsers [13:38:59] also one of the reasons why firefox is dying [13:39:07] :Angry: [13:39:19] yall new name for wikia is Wankia [13:39:38] @Legroom I use Cosmos so content is in the screen middlee [13:39:44] also, MW on backend still uses some LESS stylings [13:39:50] and LESS is so 2012 [13:40:03] yall i swear Wankia is soo funnie [13:40:18] @Lake I use crome as my OS [13:40:39] ok? [13:41:14] Firefox had a annoying bug that made me change browser [13:41:28] what bug [13:41:51] yall some of the shit on miaheze cracks me up [13:42:29] Don't realllyy rembmber, think it as related to thee firefox menu [13:42:37] Like? [13:42:51] shouldn't say its pretty bad [13:43:35] what are the odds of miraheze knowing that we say their website is bad? [13:43:40] wait [13:43:42] nvm [13:43:49] we are in their discord server [13:43:52] :laughingcryingbutworse: [13:43:59] users sometimes use miraheze to post bad shit [13:44:16] :KannaWhat: [13:44:38] Stewareds might be intrsted if it breaks the TOS [13:45:01] im finding some bad stuff in the feed's but meh looks to been deleted [13:53:34] there was time I used PaleMoon (Firefox fork) :pupCoffeeMH: [13:53:42] I forgot why tho [13:53:55] I think it was when FF changed format of addins [13:54:18] then PM did the same thing later ¯_(ツ)_/¯ [14:07:54] firefox is way too slow to add new things [14:08:27] and still uses prefixes for old css parameters for some reason, like width: -moz-fit-content [14:34:45] What broswer do you use Lake/ [19:38:41] my wiki has Zero entries for /Special:AbuseLog: https://tuscriaturas.miraheze.org/wiki/Especial:RegistroAbusos Meanwhile Miraheze meta has tons and tons of spammers [19:38:44] [url] Registro del filtro antiabusos - Bestiario del Hypogripho | tuscriaturas.miraheze.org [19:38:58] I think my wiki is very unknown then [21:34:40] This thread is a dumpster fire: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:DuchessTheSponge#About_your_message_to_me_on_Crappy_Games_Wiki [21:34:40] [url] User talk:DuchessTheSponge - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [21:34:47] Haven't they been warned before? [21:36:08] I'm sick of this dumpster fire. [21:36:21] If it's local to their pages I wouldn't worry too much, unless its contents raise a wider problem. Which I do think some of the commentary breaches, particularly with the ultimatum of 'leave or I keep the (arguably defamatory) blog about you' + the already expressed problem of threatening to put on a 'list' for bad users [21:36:24] Indeed, they're always going back and forth [21:37:00] Yes, but I think this is getting out of control. [21:37:01] At best it is blightful immaturity from the administrator in that context, at worst potential policy breach. [21:40:33] well, seeing that they're constantly at war with each other (even going so far as making an RfC to lock Bluba globally), I would say that is concerning, especially since it's devolving and might turn uncivil at some point [21:45:45] Urgh [21:46:38] I don't know what the best way to handle that is [21:46:47] I told them to politely wait for a steward [21:47:06] I see, you've tried to mediate but they don't listen [21:47:11] * RhinosF1 also would like to shut down reception wikis [21:47:23] Agent: I really don't know to say [21:47:34] I want to smash both their heads together [21:47:47] even the media reception wikis cause drama [21:48:00] I thought only user reception wikis caused drama [21:48:13] who'd think that an article about a show causes so much drama [21:49:20] @RhinosF1 I'm sick of them fighting like animals. Maybe apply a block to both of them temporarily. [21:49:37] Yeah no, anything that is built around disliking/liking stuff from the outset in strong language is destined for drama. [21:49:43] I tried blocking them [21:49:47] A Meta block would probably cause them to move their discussion to some other wiki [21:50:00] It just made them get more impatient [21:50:01] However, an administration that doesn't perpetuate it with immaturity is a possible step up that should be tried before the wikis themselves go on the block. [21:50:38] Bluba needs a final ultimatum from an authority figure to drop it and move on, the other side should be reviewed by the Stewards/GS to see if further action and/or interference is necessary, done deal. [21:50:57] Maybe both DuchessTheSponge and Blubabluba9990 should both receive warnings for quarreling with each other. [21:51:19] Address it to resolve it, not with an ambiguous 'just stop arguing' that fails to address the seeds of either issue. [21:51:22] I'm going to go with a hard block and leave a note to simply wait for a steward to contact them [21:51:25] Give them a final resolution. [21:51:28] Because it's not going to end [21:51:29] both Duchess and Bluba need a reprimand of some sort, they just don't drop the stick [21:52:36] @RhinosF1 Please do. It's been disruptive for too long now. [21:52:55] Only way it will end is if figures of global authority make it end. [21:53:17] (change visibility) 22:52, 4 August 2021 RhinosF1 talk contribs block blocked Blubabluba9990 talk contribs with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Behaviour not conducive to the desired environment - Please await contact from a Steward regarding your issue. Constantly begging people to do more and more isn't getting anyone anywhere. Email me in a week if no steward has been in [21:53:17] touch.) (unblock | change block) [21:54:04] Good call, hopefully this'll make them wait [21:54:21] Shouldn't DuchessTheSponge receive a warning too @RhinosF1? [21:54:26] I don't think going off on their own user pages is necessarily something to block for, however. On the NBs it's one thing, in the sanctity of user pages it's a bit more of a 'mind your own business' deal. [21:54:28] I don't think a global sysop has the authority to do so, only a Steward [21:54:37] GS' server more for CVT purposes [21:54:40] I mean more in combination leaning steward personally [21:54:46] serves* [21:54:55] (change visibility) 22:54, 4 August 2021 RhinosF1 talk contribs block blocked DuchessTheSponge talk contribs with an expiration time of 1 month (account creation disabled) (Aggregating a situation) (unblock | change block) [21:54:57] I guess I do keep thinking about GS in terms of their other expressed duty, which goes beyond just CVT [21:55:24] It's more to force them to actually let someone adjudicate [21:55:45] We're moving nowhere because they want stop and let someone look into it [21:56:10] Can certainly see that sentiment, and it's very true [21:56:13] Hopefully they don't move their drama onto a different wiki [21:56:38] If Bluba is not blocked on 'The New Reception Wiki', that would likely be the next battleground [21:56:53] Elsewhere I vaguely remember one more place, but it is obscure [21:56:54] yeah, most likely [21:57:49] they're blocked from The New Reception Wiki [21:59:49] Bluba's CentralAuth lookup is quite the novel: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Blubabluba9990 [21:59:52] [url] Global account information for Blubabluba9990 - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [22:01:54] Overwhelmingly the reception wikis, not really elsewhere [22:02:24] I'm off to sleep [22:02:26] A couple locations I know are where a QP admin persuaded a local co-Bcrat to demote and then block him. [22:02:30] dmehus: see PM