[12:19:35] @Agent Why did you entirely delete the demotion affair on the Stewards' Noticeboard, as compared to perhaps closing it or letting it expire naturally? I could see the desire to avoid drama by cancelling out Game2Winter's protest, but in the spirit of being able to handle these things it does seem rather odd that the conversation is removed just after that was posted. [12:20:31] Perhaps it is to remove locally handled affairs on the SN in particular, but I have not seen that one before, especially in other areas. [12:21:06] I saw that too [12:21:25] Discussions in theory should archived not deleted [12:21:32] Doesn't seem right, considering the other stuff that is left on the board. If there is a drama concern it may be taken elsewhere or closed, not pitched. [12:21:56] Let's allow Agent time to reply [12:22:13] I'm holding back on taking the liberty to restore until then, aye [13:46:05] I was thinking about that actually, I've noticed others have removed issues which have been handled locally to avoid cluttering the noticeboard so I took a similar course of action. As I haven't seen those actions be reverted, I thought it was appropriate, especially because of the possible drama that could ensue. [13:46:30] Of course, if it was more appropriate for the thread to remain, then I can revert that and just add the Done template to the bottom [13:46:33] Only Meta admins can do that, not non-admins. [13:47:05] removing threads? I know you can do it in specific cases though I'm not aware completely in what circumstances [13:47:29] Like, if an RfP is [[WP:SNOW]], then you can remove it and tell the user to apply later [13:47:29] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WP:SNOW [13:47:29]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WP:SNOW?action=edit&redlink=1 [13:47:30] [url] WP:SNOW - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [13:47:31] [url] WP:SNOW - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [13:47:38] I'm referring to noticeboards, unless in some non-normal circumstances. [13:49:04] Snow RfPs SHOULD NOT be removed [13:49:13] We do not ever do that [13:49:34] The only time you should remove an RfP is if there's been zero comments [13:49:43] ^ [13:50:30] yeah, if there's comments they should be closed per the https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:User_close_policy [13:50:31] [url] Meta:User close policy - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [13:50:57] if there's no comments and the user has like < 5 edits then it could be more acceptable to remove [13:51:40] This was common back in 2019 if I'm not mistaken when a few new users (at the time) requested advanced permissions too early. [13:51:56] Didn't mean SNOW RfPs, I got confused and actually meant RfPs where there's no reason [13:52:25] I think the bottom line is that it should just stay up and if it really should be removed, let meta management do the deed [13:52:43] alright, noted [13:53:03] Just don't forget that. [13:53:46] Seems like good faith confusion, I'm not worried [13:54:08] It likely is. [13:58:46] Yeah if there's no reason and no comments I'm personally fine with it being removed [14:00:23] In this case a Stewards' Noticeboard affair was removed after local resolution, just after one of the subjects came with a counter statement [14:01:39] No that would not be appropriate, if necessary threads can be closed to prevent further discussion but that should be left to the appropriate people. As a general rule things shouldn't be removed unless they're clear vandalism/spam/etc. [14:02:28] If it's not restored, I can take the liberty to do so now [14:03:12] Ah, he has restored it [14:03:14] I actually didn't notice that until a bit after I removed the thread [14:03:40] you can save your liberty 😉 [14:03:53] God knows I could afford to actually keep it [14:21:22] Reception123 explanation made it clear. Good to know [14:22:27] Indeed, to avoid similar mistakes [19:34:48] they closed the Miraheze Fandom wiki but not the Miraheze Meta Fandom Wiki [19:34:48] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/875462339292454983/unknown.png [19:34:49] lol [19:35:08] now how will I write about the stars Mira and Heze? [19:41:37] lol, why would people create a Miraheze wiki on Fandom? [19:41:43] Though I do wonder what policy it violated [19:42:25] lol, but I honestly don't like people doing this [19:42:34] it creates a negative image for Miraheze [19:43:28] i wonder who made the fake Miraheze Meta [19:43:33] why would someone impersonate Doug [19:43:51] yeah, it doesn't really make sense and indeed if people are impersonating stewards or sysadmins that's definitely a bad image for us [19:44:21] It's also very pathetic. [19:44:35] surprised the fake Meta is still up [19:44:42] https://meta.fandom.com [19:44:42] [url] Miraheze Wiki | Fandom | meta.fandom.com [19:46:38] it will probably be gone soon [20:10:29] This whole thing is funny to me [20:10:48] lol yeah, not much we can do other than laugh [20:10:49] The "Doug from Miraheze" is just crazy [20:16:49] @Agent how fast the closed Miraheze Fandom [20:17:42] There's essentially nothing on that meta fandom wiki [20:27:30] and neither was there anything on the Miraheze Fandom Wiki [20:27:44] like 2 days after it was reported [20:28:33] So what are the odds that a manjaro using gnome desktop will work perfectly on a new windows laptop [20:29:15] Doug from Miraheze is disabled [20:29:18] pretty good odds I'd say [20:29:28] RhinosF1: yeah, they got banned [20:29:33] which is good [20:29:34] For some reason I've always had bad luck with manjaro in particular [20:29:44] I've never tried Manjaro, how is it? [20:30:02] Fandom usually takes much longer than that [20:30:12] In theory quite excellent, but when I try to use it things simply don't happen until I replace it with a -buntu derivative [20:30:27] Guess they're attent to these requests because of the Polandball migrations [20:31:12] I'm so used to Debian utilities that using any distro other than Debian/Ubuntu is a learning curve [20:31:32] The one clean time I got out of it for a more extended test, it offered nothing at the experience level that a debian-type distro cannot [20:31:58] 🥱 amateur, try Linux from Scratch [20:32:02] lol [20:32:20] If I decide to go vaguely from scratch, it may be using stock Arch [20:32:39] But before then I have a DE and file manager concept to explore first, and who knows if I ever manage that much [20:33:52] I tried building Linux from scratch and nearly succeeded but then it literally wouldn't boot after 3 reboots :(( [20:33:54] idk why [20:34:00] maybe a misconfiguration in the initd [20:34:08] Yeah, I tend not to have enough patience or attention to detail to do scratch justice [20:34:42] Imagine trying to build Linux from Scratch and you end up accidentally building a Debian clone [20:35:06] I'm vaguely interested in working with assorted tweaked kernels for features and support at some point, but the more that falls to me, the less likely it will ever get done [20:35:30] building the kernel is fun, takes like a year to do it but it's fun [20:35:31] On the other hand I tend to be dissatisfied with the usual linux suite of defaults and default behavior, particularly from linux-built file managers [20:36:02] I mean, you can always replace the file manager or compile your own and tweak it [20:36:15] I do intend to create my own, but that is entirely its own can of worms. [20:37:42] I've been meaning to switch file managers for a while but I never get it done [20:37:56] I don't like Nautilus that much [20:39:22] I once tried out Dolphin and it ended up installing KDE and breaking my DM [20:39:27] so that was fun to fix [20:39:56] Yeah, I really don't care for dolphin at all. [20:40:21] I settle with Nautilus, as I must. There was one more I tried with a tiny snappy name that had a bit of a retro windows aesthetic, didn't catch on too long as it had some integration problems. [20:40:22] Dolphin is meh [20:40:52] not revolutionary [20:41:16] Bottom line what I envison from a file manager is a bastardization of windows explorer with both 10 and og windows principles, my personal flavor in workflow and the desire for something that goes out of its way for cross integration [20:41:42] Sadly I spent many years in a windows-dominated paradigm and ended up with certain procedures I could only ever do on Windows. [20:41:46] if only Windows supported ext4 [20:42:05] I've grown used to Windows Explorer and I think I'd get a lot more done in it if I could access my Linux drives [20:42:15] More or less what I envision is a blending of principles beyond just a version of ubuntu with Windows icon placements. [20:43:00] So if there was a code-person supporter to help build such a file manager I'd be very down for it, but alas. [20:44:01] yeah, closest thing you can do to using Explorer is applying a theme, replacing the icons [20:44:19] A lot of it is that cross integration I was mentioning [20:44:51] Plus certain workflows where I have a small handful of keypresses and shortcuts that just work, which I find rather difficult to achieve in an equivalent linux situation [20:45:24] Linux is still a bit too caught between blobby button UI jobs and straight console, not so much a workflow designed to be in between