[10:20:35] FUN FACT FOR YOU ALL: Next Sunday, I'll be turning 22 years old. [10:49:25] Congratulations to you [10:50:17] Thanks. [10:55:38] 22? [10:56:00] There is no way you're older than me [10:57:01] Believe it or not RhinosF1, but I am. Right now, I'm 21 years old, but will be turning 22 next week. [11:03:58] I was born in 1999, just before 2000 hit. [12:07:05] Age is just a number, maturity is a personal path :p [12:07:30] But I think I'll be honest and say DMM is coming right up behind me. [12:07:44] I would assume you're a bit older than me? [12:07:56] By a year ish from the looks of it. [12:08:34] Although I did hear this "Age is just number" statement before, that can be argued. [12:09:14] The truth of the matter is combination really. People can be deceptively mature at age 16, while some simply may never strike the average adult as especially mature. [12:09:31] On average the early 20s aren't exactly the age of wisdom :p [12:09:36] But obviously many get by. [12:09:45] Yes, that's true. [12:49:25] press F for my Redmi 7A who died a week ago and two repair shops couldn't revive it [12:49:42] I thought Raidrr was older because he likes a mechwarrior games that is prior to current games [12:49:54] I'm having Redmi 9A now [12:51:02] Oh I using Iphone [12:52:13] I had 4s and 5s, both were given away to me by a relative lol [12:52:45] 5s died faster [12:52:57] 4s still working [12:52:58] I grew up in a household with windows 95, dial-up grade internet, brick monitors (and a brick TV) and so on 😛 [12:53:12] Old is in my very DNA, along with exposure to new. [12:53:58] 26 here [12:54:20] It does cut just short of true DOS and retro console exposure, which I've only somewhat looked back to (ie, freedos and virtual dos experiments) [12:55:16] But never having used much of consoles or holding an interest in them (I will say I was turned off early on from a family member who was a console player), I don't feel I've missed much in that direction. PC is very much its own universe. [13:05:33] Windows 95. Me too [13:08:08] 95 is nostalgic tbh, I still have a brick laptop for it [13:08:58] But I'm afraid its power is broken, and I never quite tried to fix it. Project for a rainy day, maybe after that new laptop I got gets inspected for the same issue (busted power and difficult to investigate, doesn't even have a pop-out battery). [13:09:59] Solitary Scoot by k6ka (AKA Czar Hey) https://www.flickr.com/photos/czar_hey/51409547455/, https://www.deviantart.com/k6ka/art/Solitary-Scoot-890188707, https://www.instagram.com/p/CTIZHg4JsZH/ Date Taken: Aug 23, 2021, 2:24:01 PM EST Camera: Nikon D7100 Lens: AF-S DX Nikkor 35mm f/1.8G Shutter Speed: 1/3200 sec Aperture: f/2.8 ISO Speed: 100 Focal Length: 35mm (fixed) Flash: Off, did not fire [13:10:00] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/881526090697412618/DSC_9095_2021-08-23_edit1-2021-08-23.jpg [13:10:00] [url] Solitary Scoot | Shadows are sometimes your only companion. … | Flickr | www.flickr.com [13:10:00] [url] Solitary Scoot by k6ka on DeviantArt | www.deviantart.com [13:10:01] [url] Login • Instagram | www.instagram.com [16:05:51] I hope I can return to Miraheze, but in fanon wikis [16:23:31] Ok [16:29:35] If you were globalled a while back, you might appeal [16:29:40] if you weren't, I don't see why not :p [16:53:58] You might want to ask Void or email the Stewards at stewards@miraheze.org. [17:00:28] I want to appeal [17:01:33] DarkMatterMan's advice applies then, shoot them an email with your case. [17:02:25] As Void was the one who initiated the lock after a checkuser was confirmed that Mickey Mouse was related to the JaccFrost97 and JaccFrost accounts used for vandalism. [17:02:41] I must say I'm more and more interested in seeing additional Stewards, but who knows who that might be [17:04:35] There used to be several Stewards for Miraheze, but 4 of them resigned over the years. This includes, Southparkfan, MacFan4000 (if I can remember correctly), The Pioneer (especially that guy), John (the latest one), and revi (who resigned a few years ago). [17:05:30] I know at one point the numbers took a steep drop, and I'd say the activity of those who remain (understandably and without judgement, given life) leaves a fair bit of room for improvement. [17:05:51] And it would seem Global Sysop title is insufficient to prop up the scope of what falls in their domain. [17:06:17] Both Reception123 and MrJaroslavik have those roles as a global sysop. [17:06:57] In practice from what I've heard and seen its only function is really to counter vandalism/perform global locks, with is hardly representative of what is needed in terms of attention. [17:07:15] MacFan was not a Steward, he was GS iirc [17:07:37] Oh, I guess I was mistaken then. [17:07:38] Well GS used to have even less powers/scope a while ago [17:07:52] I feel like GS does have quite a lot of power and giving any more would basically make it too close to Steward [17:07:59] There is this line, "Global Sysops on Miraheze are users who assist Stewards in supporting the community and working with communities to address issues facing them locally as well as cleaning up vandalism, preventing it when possible and enforcing Miraheze's global policies. " which implies a fair bit more than just counter vandalism, but from what I see that portion is either downplayed or ignored to the point only the CVT [17:08:00] portion is relevant. [17:08:34] Yeah, that was changed in an RfC - before GS (which used to be called CVT which now encompasses both Stewards and GS) only had the authority to intervene in countervandalism [17:08:38] I might advocate for more GS if they had more opportunity in regards to supporting community issue resolutions. [17:09:10] Well GS can do that right now but we can't do things like close/open wikis and all that, and I would still be against allowing us to do so because as I said I don't want GS to be too similar to Steward [17:09:25] @raidarr: I think it would take a while to reach consensus on new GS permissions [17:09:54] It all rounds to the central point, that it seems like there's just a bit too much on the Steward menu and not enough chefs to take care of it in a timely manner , to use a food analogy. [17:10:26] That's definitely true, no one is denying that part [17:10:31] Too much work, too few stewards [17:10:32] I can only hope that the need to establish absolute trust does not come at the ability to perform actions because it is invariably seen that nobody can agree or be trusted enough, with standards theoretically reaching into the clouds. [17:11:27] Yeah, that's the issue it does take time to trust someone enough for them to become Steward. Personally I think it's not a bad idea for someone to be a candidate for GS first so they have less power and can demonstrate from that role whether they would be an adequate Steward or not [17:11:58] but being a Steward is definitely not easy and it does require a certain amount of qualities like being patient, being good at conflict resolution, being impartial, being able to read consensus, etc. [17:12:00] I would like to think GS is a valuable stepping stone, but in practice the execution of powers seems unnecessary compared to the tasks that are truly needed. [17:12:33] And of course even now it seems there is no candidate sufficiently agreeable for it anyways, though I can think of a couple possible candidates. [17:12:42] Well an idea that was floated around at some point was to create a new group that would be able to help Stewards with more administrative tasks like Dormancy Policy, adoption requests and those kind of things [17:13:19] It does seem like there's at least the informal ability for a user to look at a wiki, see a common reason why the request would fail and then act on it in the request so the Stewards don't have to do that first step as often. [17:14:05] yeah definitely, a Steward doesn't necessarily have to decline a request if there's something that clearly makes it invalid like it's a private wiki or (an obvious one!) it's not even closed in the first place [17:15:25] From what I understand also there's a touch more urgency than even Stewards to get more Sysadmins, which unfortunately I wouldn't be able to help with [17:15:40] A fledgeling grasp on domain management probably isn't enough to handle a wiki farm >.> [17:15:53] Well right now that situation is definitely better with John and Paladox having returned [17:16:28] But yeah, basically around here we've always been in a situation when there's way more work than there are people to do it - both sysadmins and stewards [17:16:47] Very much I'd imagine, having read John's exit pointers I did not expect to see a return under short notice. [17:16:50] I don't think I can confidently say there was a period when there was little to do but many people, except towards the beginning of Miraheze [17:17:30] Any particular reason you haven't gone for it yourself? Lack of time or such? [17:18:18] Yes, you've got it. I would've probably ran at some point to help out but unfortunately I've got too much to do as a sysadmin to be able to effectively function as a steward as well [17:18:40] and of course I've got IRL stuff as well [17:18:47] Ah yes, I imagine the sysadmin bit in particular would do it [17:19:14] Why not just try and make your work as balanced as possible? [17:19:25] Easy to say, less to do. [17:19:56] I do feel like Reception would make a fine showing of himself given his current activity levels, but adding yet another job to it might have a critical tax as far as stress/extra to consider [17:20:20] I mean I could try but I think I've got a pretty good feel right now as Global Sysop, I help around as much as I can but if I wasn't sysadmin I could do more [17:21:11] If there was a situation where there were many sysadmins and few Stewards, I would likely run as then other sysadmins could do some of the work that I currently do but while the SRE department isn't doing terrible these days in terms of sysadmins I couldn't see myself doing less work and doing Steward work instead [17:21:13] I mean, you've got the rest of the day to look into whatever needs to be done beforehand. [17:21:57] Well yes but on top of SRE things (right now I'm both EM and DSRE) I do also have things IRL so unfortunately I really don't think I'd have time to add in Steward to the mix, at least not right now [17:22:40] Hmmm, makes sense. [17:25:06] Yeah, it's not ideal 😦 it would be great if we could get more volunteers to help out and eventually take on some of these roles [17:25:43] https://thehorriblemusicandsongswikia.miraheze.org/w/index.php?diff=41990&oldid=41972&rcid=13528 Also, I've been noticing an all-out edit war with 3 people. [17:25:44] [url] Difference between revisions of "Grateful" - The Horrible Music and Songs Wikia | thehorriblemusicandsongswikia.miraheze.org [17:25:54] Not to mention I'd rather see a happy sysop/global sysop than a steward/sysadmin who's steadily burning out from responsibility. [17:27:04] That's very true yeah, burnout is definitely not something we want [17:27:16] I definitely always encourage people to take a break if they feel like they're doing too much [17:27:39] I'm guessing you're not an admin on that wiki? [17:27:47] No, I'm not. [17:27:47] Looks like the admins there are pretty dead [17:28:22] Not to mention insults, and homophobia are added in the mix. [17:28:22] The one guy has logged in on the 22nd, still not reliable for quick resolution [17:28:41] Another was last on the 3rd and the third admin's been awol since feb [17:29:08] Where? [17:29:16] https://thehorriblemusicandsongswikia.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers/sysop [17:29:17] [url] User list - The Horrible Music and Songs Wikia | thehorriblemusicandsongswikia.miraheze.org [17:29:26] Oh. [17:30:13] I'll have a look, though yeah clearly some CoC violations there too [19:29:17] @Doug Thanks for stepping in today to resolve that ridiculous issue. [21:22:31] What happened now? [21:22:56] Just wait patiently. [21:23:08] I was just asking what happened [21:23:15] Not begging to be unblocked [21:23:17] But fine [22:00:06] He means as far as thanking Doug I assume. [22:01:27] It was.