[00:23:54] if I were French, the last I would vote would be Mélénchon [00:24:30] Macron didn't handle things well during the pandemic [00:24:38] and Le Pen is basically a female Trump [00:26:21] Italy had a populist government (Liga/5 Stelle) but now they have a new pm.... [00:28:36] @Tintle Why would melenchon be lower then le pen [00:29:20] Melenchon I hear is god awful [00:29:30] France needs an overhaul [00:30:21] because of the money he received from his Spanish friend [00:30:30] it's a satellite-party of Podemos [00:30:52] (which, is totally run by Venezuela's chavismo) [00:31:01] Huh [00:31:14] thankfully most French people are not radical leftists [00:31:29] and I don't think Le Pen is gonna be elected president either [00:31:32] Podemos is definitely not ran by Venezuela [00:31:54] seems like Macron is having a whole new term... [00:32:23] Yes and he’ll fuck up france even more [00:33:45] Right wingers typically do that, I prefer centre left parties [00:33:47] though I prefer anything but the criminal chavismo and its extracontinental satellites [00:33:57] Don’t like far left and don’t like communism [00:34:07] I don't know if there's a "centre-left party" in France [00:34:18] @Tintle do you live in France? [00:34:26] No [00:34:32] Oh [00:35:42] but when it comes to Russia or China and its puppet governments, I can talk for sure.. [00:35:49] the problem is, Macron did not handle things well [00:35:58] https://amp.france24.com/en/20130325-melenchon-anti-semitism-france-jews-mascovici-socialist [00:36:00] [url] French far-left leader accused of anti-Semitism | amp.france24.com [00:36:04] and Le Pen is another neocon [00:36:23] tu es francais? [00:36:38] Hmm? [00:36:50] are you French? [00:37:00] Oh no [00:37:05] I’m in the U.K. [00:37:17] England to be precise [00:37:18] what I'm talking about Mélénchon [00:37:21] applies to Corbyn too [00:37:24] same shit [00:37:46] Yes Corbyns very is an anti semite [00:37:54] Scum back should be locked up [00:38:02] Glad we’ve got keir now [00:38:04] plus, Corbyn is married to a Mexican woman that's pretty close to Mexican far-left president [00:38:08] Want corbyn expelled [00:38:48] Have you not seen her tweets 😂 [00:39:03] No, don't even know her name [00:39:08] Occasionally uses Corbyns Twitter account too lol [00:40:03] https://twitter.com/lauraalvarezjc?s=21 [00:40:03] Twitter returned an error: User not found. [00:40:28] Leftists are usually against Jews, because they are against the too Western countries [00:40:37] and Israel supports the EU and the US [00:40:49] so they support hamas, hezbollah (Iran) [00:41:28] well, Sanders is an exception, but it's basically the same pattern [00:41:30] > promoting the honest and decent Leader "Jeremy Corbyn" [00:41:35] what a nice Twitter bio [00:41:41] 😂 [00:41:45] "honest" lol [00:41:48] "decent" [00:41:53] You should have seen them the past year [00:42:26] Some guy went on live tv at the conference to announce he’s in one of the proscribed groups hahaha [00:42:34] He won’t be back again :mirth: [00:43:10] Then the left picked 15 quid an hour out of their arses [00:43:31] All of a sudden keir must back 15 quid an hour! [00:43:41] If he went 15 they’ll demand 20 [00:44:17] Well, Pablo Iglesias (Spain's Podemos founder) gave a lot of money to Corbyn and Mélénchon for their electoral campaigns [00:44:42] Reminder that Claudia was found guilty [00:44:51] obviously they got the money and ideological support from Chávez [00:44:57] Also corbyn and John did a statement 😂 [00:45:03] s/they got/he got [00:45:03] Tintle meant to say: obviously he got the money and ideological support from Chávez [00:45:30] anyway, I don't think the Brits will choose Corbyn either [00:45:42] Corbyns isn’t our leader [00:45:59] He resigned in 2019 after losing 😂 [00:46:07] oh right [00:46:21] didn't know [00:46:29] https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1448339750780391426?s=21 [00:46:29] [Twitter] Rachel Wearmouth (@REWearmouth): Both Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell gave character references in support of Claudia Webbe before the judge gave his verdict https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-suspended-labour-mp-claudia-25207990?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar | 70 RTs | 201 ♥s | Posted: 2021-10-13 - 17:28:00UTC [00:46:37] We now have Keir starmer [00:46:47] you mean the Labour party? [00:46:47] Who’s taking on the left [00:46:51] His wife is Jewish [00:46:52] Yeh [00:47:00] Corbynites are real scum bags [00:47:12] Made some nasty comments about his wife at the confidence [00:47:16] Anti Semitic remarks [00:47:18] Corbyn wanted to turn the UK to a new Argentina [00:47:45] s/to/into [00:47:46] Tintle meant to say: Corbyn wanted into turn the UK to a new Argentina [00:47:51] nooo [00:47:56] s/to a new/into a new [00:47:56] Tintle meant to say: Corbyn wanted into turn the UK into a new Argentina [00:48:04] s/into turn/to turn [00:48:14] Not sure what that means [00:48:27] Corbyns 2019 manifesto was a wishing list [00:48:42] post keynesianism, populism, peronismo... [00:48:49] Starmer has increased his grip over the party too [00:49:03] Leadership rules changed to prevent another corbynite [00:49:09] basically the same shit Bernie Sanders wants for the USA [00:49:25] although there are lots of Bernielovers on irc [00:49:44] I liked Bernie sanders [00:50:07] Wasn’t anti Semitic at least lol [00:50:19] Medicare for all? Green new deal? printing lots of bills and coins? noooo [00:50:26] But his Bernie’s fan account are [00:50:32] I support Medicare for all [00:50:33] the US would be ruined, ruined I tell you! [00:50:40] Just like here with our nhs [00:50:46] and I don't support public healthcare [00:51:17] The us wouldn’t be ruined tho with Medicare for all [00:51:21] there's a video about his proposals in visualpolitik [00:51:30] It’s literally expensive to have healthcare there [00:51:56] it's not cheap in Europe, you are paying it by taxes [00:52:07] It is cheap tho [00:52:20] Your not paying 100k in taxes [00:52:30] but anyway, that's not his dangerous proposal [00:52:52] s/dangerous/most dangerous [00:52:52] Tintle meant to say: but anyway, that's not his most dangerous proposal [00:52:58] I’m Europe they use insurance based but much better then the us [00:53:05] And more highly regulated [00:53:17] i don't think i would be alive without public healthcare [00:53:21] at least in my country [00:53:28] In the U.K. we have a tax called the national insurance which partially funds the nhs [00:53:36] This [00:53:43] public healthcare is not sustainable [00:53:55] How so [00:54:16] how many covid-19 deaths did you have in Spain, UK, Italy, France? [00:54:17] Private healthcare isn’t sustainable [00:54:36] In the U.K.? That was due to Boris incompetence lol [00:54:38] how many covid-19 deaths did you have in Taiwan, Japan, South Korea? [00:54:41] there you go [00:55:05] I wouldn't blame BoJo or any other pm... well maybe all of them [00:55:14] It's not about the people who run it [00:55:18] it's the system [00:55:22] Government made a deal with private health hospitals and rarely did they use them [00:55:24] then there's the US, with more cases than all of these combined [00:55:29] ^ [00:55:46] Lake: you're Brazilian aren't you? [00:55:56] yes unfortunately [00:56:36] Bolsonaro is doing everything to get the corrupt and megalomaniac guy Lula da Silva back in charge :( [00:57:02] and he will be a new ally for Maduro [00:57:18] I don't think Bolsonaro will get elected for another term [00:57:25] Lol [00:57:33] Imagine supporting bolsonaro [00:57:48] What do you want me to do in a ballotage Lula vs Bolsonaro? [00:57:54] Not everyone left wing are the same [00:57:57] I would vote for Bolsonaro... sadly [00:57:58] I think he was elected because the government of Dilma (remember her?) was very saturated [00:58:19] he was elected because the Brazilians had enough with the corrupt left-wing governments [00:58:21] I would vote Lula over bolsonaro [00:58:22] Lava jato [00:58:30] Odebrecht [00:58:31] Though tbf I know little about Lula lol [00:59:00] Lula used to be very close to Chávez, and is a well-known supporter of Maduro's dictatorship [00:59:12] And so he brought his own corrupt government that is even more corrupt [00:59:17] Bolsonaro is trump [00:59:20] if Brazilians want to become a new Peru, or a new Argentina... go for it [00:59:34] i wouldn't vote for bolsonaro Lula is definitely corrupt, it's a fact, but I do feel he's a less lunatic [00:59:46] I very much doubt Brazil’s will become new Argentina [01:00:05] Isn’t Lula a former president [01:00:16] and Lula will change the Constitution to stay in power [01:00:21] yes, he was president in the early 2000s to 2010 [01:00:27] No he won’t [01:00:29] which is even more dangerous [01:00:34] That’s what bolsonaro is trying [01:00:35] yes, he'll do that [01:01:02] you can stop a neocon... but it's too hard to stop a radical leftist in Latin America [01:01:07] the biggest fact of his popularity is that he grew the country a lot, but it kinda left a lot of debt to his successor, Dilma [01:01:10] Peruvians did not understand that [01:01:13] which gave her a bad fame [01:01:33] @Lake because socialism does not work anywhere! that's just it! [01:01:42] he wasted all the money [01:01:55] and was very corrupt too [01:02:04] 🤔 indeed but his government was nowhere near socialist? [01:02:12] "nowhere" [01:02:13] dude [01:02:21] look at his pics with Cristina, Chávez [01:02:31] Evo, Correa... they all support him [01:02:37] i mean, in this sense, even Obama would be socialist, lol [01:02:44] 😂 [01:02:45] No... [01:02:59] socdems are not socialists at all [01:03:04] Biden is socialist /s [01:03:11] socdem, not socialist [01:03:12] Yes it is [01:03:17] It is [01:03:29] Bernie Sanders and AOC are both socialists [01:03:35] > Social democracy is a political, social and economic philosophy within the socialist tradition. [01:04:52] Bernie and AOC are right wingers by U.K. standards [01:05:04] I hope Brazilians learn from what people did in Peru, full of hate to the corrupt right-wing candidate [01:05:34] they voted for a terrorist with a hat for president... that's basically all I can tell you... [01:05:39] i'm not very aware of what happened in Peru [01:05:47] (i live more close to argentina and uruguay) [01:07:15] but it's where I live, and I can tell you that it's like if people voted for Lula just because crazy "nordestinos" and anti-bolso didn't want Bolsonaro to become president [01:07:25] well that's what happened to Peru [01:07:37] and Chile will probably vote for the radical left too [01:07:55] I would just like a candidate that would throw that putin-like party out of the government [01:07:59] Uruguay? they have a nice president heh [01:08:06] love how he handled the pandemic [01:08:18] Which is "putin-like"? [01:08:42] Putin supports all those radical leftists for Latin America (that includes Brazil) [01:08:47] it's a party called (P)MDB, I say "putin-like" because they essentially will support anyone that will give them power [01:08:57] either left or right, kinda like Putin himself [01:09:07] Because his main goal is to destroy the EU and the US [01:09:17] Putin is a neo-fascist dictator [01:09:29] neither right nor left-wing [01:10:16] Oh Peru [01:10:22] Don’t like the president [01:10:27] Social conservative [01:10:33] Dilma's vice president was from this party, and he supported her and all [01:10:36] we have a terrorist in charge, dude [01:10:40] But compared to the other person [01:10:43] Who is a fascist [01:10:46] when he got the opportunity, he voted in favor of her impeachmentr [01:10:53] so he became the president, wonderful [01:11:17] How is he a terrorist [01:11:19] Brazil is a nice country... please don't commit a mistake that you could never amend of [01:11:27] What [01:11:34] Lula has been president before [01:11:52] He’s not suddenly going to become so far left he’s just bolsonaro but left wing [01:11:53] I like how things have been handled in Chile [01:12:01] oh I forgot "Brasil 2014", "Rio 2016" [01:12:05] one president was more or less left wing, the other was more or less right wing [01:12:15] then this process for some time [01:12:26] Wasn’t that when the government was overthrown [01:12:30] Lake: but the radical left wing wants to take it over [01:12:41] What is radical left even [01:12:46] they've been brainwashed to vote for a new Constitution [01:12:52] it's terrible [01:12:53] 😂 [01:13:22] it was in 2016 yes, she was impeached, then Michel Temer (the vice president) became the president until 2018 [01:13:35] and in 2019 Bolsonaro got elected [01:13:38] Oh I thought it was a he [01:13:41] Ohhh Brazil [01:13:42] I like Lasso too, he's applying nice liberal policies [01:13:45] Yeh I remember that [01:13:49] (Ecuador) [01:14:17] tbh my favorite leaders right now have to be Jacinda Ardern from NZ, and Tsai Ing-wen from Taiwan [01:14:25] current Chilean president is a coward [01:14:35] I like Tsai [01:15:29] Taiwan can give many lessons to all of our countries... if these only let them... [01:16:15] I like jacinda too [01:16:38] don't know much about Jacinda... people say nice comments about her though [01:16:39] one thing that I particularly dislike about a lot of left-wing parties here is that a lot of them support China for whatever reason [01:16:50] both China and Russia. [01:16:56] Geopolitics... that is [01:17:00] then I learned recently that the Communist Party of Japan is anti-China [01:17:02] funny [01:17:26] Hate China simping parties [01:17:32] Lol, just because the Japanese used to be an empire and they invaded China [01:17:41] Young labour met up with the Cuban ambassador lol [01:17:49] Literally corbynites back Cuba [01:18:04] I’m a part of young labour automatically [01:18:11] Just want it dismantled [01:18:20] the oldest socialist dictatorship in the Americas... [01:19:45] um, well [01:19:58] too much chatting for tonight [01:21:02] paladox: Google "Shining Path" and we'll talk about it later in life [01:21:32] > The Communist Party of Peru [01:21:45] Don’t worry we have China simping parties here [01:21:53] it's kinda weird how there's no radical parties here in Brazil [01:22:00] Just look at the communist party of gb 😂 [01:24:03] Conservatives party here are concealing a report about the Russians [02:57:25] paladox, I agree on what type. I'm personally not in favour of MMP. I would go with STV or, my personal preference is for a majoritarian system, as in France (preferential ballot/run-off system). I know that's not technically PR, but it's better than FPTP [02:58:10] @Reception123, yeah, I don't like FPTP at all [03:02:04] > A coalition represents a greater portion of the population [03:02:04] ^ :thistbh: [03:07:48] > I support the U.K. going federal [03:07:48]