[07:30:09] 🙃 [07:30:09] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/913330700097294376/IMG_20211125_102947.jpg [07:31:02] imagine being an admin and bossed by a fandom moderator who isn't even an admin of your wiki [07:31:25] yes, they corrected "kid" outta the comment lol [07:31:51] comments aren't spammy too [07:33:02] The contrast on that theme hurts my brain also. [07:33:25] oh, that's theme is a mess, idk what to do w/ it [07:33:55] anyway, I'm this 🤏 close from locally blocking this kid [07:34:01] heheheheh [07:34:41] I'm trying to persuade founder (who got blocked on first account and isn't active rn) to migrate to mh [07:35:49] gonna fix all the mess, and this kid will be left there all by himself lol the SEO might be a problem tho [07:38:40] blocking the kid might be risky cus fandom staff, but can I report them? 🤔 [13:10:49] The fandom mod looks immature, straight up. [13:10:59] I'd be concerned if that user was moderating a platform of mine. [13:11:09] Once in a while, when I feel like it :p [13:11:37] I never got to making videos, which I've intended to do on occasion. Never got the setup finished, nor do I have a focus as youtube channels typically have. [13:22:39] literally nobody asked fandom staff for a moderator, the kid does edit articles and makes templates (although not very nicely), but I see this as global rights abuse [13:26:58] Just use miraheze lol [13:30:43] Fandom mods will go wherever, particularly if a report is made [13:31:22] They outright do not consider global power abuse and accountability in the way Miraheze does, different worlds really (as is already obvious with how liberally they use CheckUser). [13:32:01] thus why I'm telling the founder to consider miving to mh [13:32:22] 👍 thanks for the publicity! [13:32:41] @Legroom feel free to link them to https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Comparing_Miraheze_to_Fandom if they seem interested [13:32:42] [url] Comparing Miraheze to Fandom - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [13:33:52] That comparison page could still use work tbh [13:35:23] Yeah, it can use some improvement but it does give someone a basic idea of the main differences [13:40:08] Basic, and biased. Not that we're not obliged to a little bias of our own in the writing, but letting the facts strictly stand for themselves in balanced presentation strikes me better on principle. [13:40:39] It is not an outright bias (as much as before anyway), but a tonal one. Unimportant to most people I'm sure, but idk, I'm weird that way when considering the image of a page like that in the bigger picture. [13:42:31] we are friends, I already told him all the good stuff lol he's just busy [13:45:16] Yeah that would be fine to make it less biased, though I think it can be expected that a wiki farm is going to be biased towards itself in either case and not expected to provide a completely neutral article [13:45:34] but yeah, I'm not opposed to making it more neutral in order to allow users to make their own decision as to which they prefer [13:45:44] I don't think we need to overstate things and be biased in order to allow someone to see which is best :P [13:57:01] Of course it can be expected that we would be biased, I'm just speaking from the philosophy if we should be :p [13:59:24] There are some very limited reasons why I'd almost encourage someone to give Fandom a good look, but I think the practical facts speak for themselves why Miraheze would generally be optimal. I do think addressing as neutral as possible also gives us an opportunity to see what we can do better; for example, the initial learning curve I believe is much higher than just throwing a wiki together on Fandom. On Miraheze [13:59:24] it's seen as much more of an investment for you to learn and work with, while Fandom pretty much holds your hand in almost every respect and strips choices just enough that some people may prefer to be guided. This isn't to say Miraheze should have mechanisms to just hold people's hand in the way Fandom does, but I think it shows room for improvement so barebones novices start off with a better shot. [14:00:30] You also start off with less functions out of the box on Miraheze and have to learn more to 'catch up' technically, and the information to do so is sufficiently scattered that I can understand when someone gets confused. For example, the immediate idea of 'oh, I have to do templates from scratch... how about import from wikipedia' [15:40:44] Ponder, guides [15:41:39] "How to make an infobox" "How to import pages" "How to style a wiki" even [18:22:22] hehe, I actually sort of revamped the page but I guess my bias seeped in :P [18:22:52] I do mean subtle, there isn't anything I'd consider overt [18:24:42] > https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Comparing_Miraheze_to_Fandom&oldid=189614 > https://www.fandom.com is filled with clickbait articles centered around fan theories and the entertainment industry. [18:24:43] [url] Comparing Miraheze to Fandom - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [18:24:44] > Advertisements on Fandom are described as being annoying, disruptive, distracting, and at times malicious, as there have been reports of advertisements redirecting users to inappropriate websites. [18:24:44] [url] Fandom | www.fandom.com [18:25:11] > Staff members say they only intervene with local wiki communities in certain circumstances, such as ToU violations, although they have been known to take actions outside of that scope, including forcibly enabling extensions without community input, changing URLs for SEO purposes without notification, and even removing local wiki administrators that object to forced changes [18:25:21] the old page was beautiful lol [18:25:39] > As such, "free speech" is much more limited on Fandom due to pressure from advertisers not to host content they disagree with [18:28:39] Free speech is irrelevant tbh [18:29:07] The trick is agency, too often is the americanized term used to present a right that does not necessarily exist