[00:04:25] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Group-central_notice_manager I'm confused with this, and speaking of which, what happened to the name checkuser? [00:04:26] [url] MediaWiki:Group-central notice manager - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [00:05:01] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Group-checkuser-member Not to mention, this feels rather awkward. @Agent Know anything about this? [00:05:02] [url] MediaWiki:Group-checkuser-member - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [00:05:46] Er, it seems that Reception123 edited the wrong page [00:06:16] We'll need to wait for an interface administrator to fix it [00:06:43] Yes, it looks like it. @Reception123 You goofed up. When I searched the User rights page, it suddenly says Central Notice Manager. [00:09:28] I will NEVER get used to that goof-up on the MediaWiki:Group-checkuser-member page, as it's confusing. [00:17:50] https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Miraheze [00:17:53] [url] Miraheze - Encyclopedia Dramatica | encyclopediadramatica.online [00:18:26] i like this article [00:21:12] mainly the third paragraph [00:25:28] I don't think you'll need to get used to it, it'll get fixed whenever an interface administrator is online :) [01:01:34] Damn straight they are tough. Particularly the likes of @Void, John, and @Doug. [01:02:08] 💪 [02:02:56] i feel very happy that i've adopted nintendo.miraheze.org & I think people are going to enjoy it as it grows [09:02:50] Best of luck with it, ei [11:17:32] Command sent from Discord by Xena: [11:17:33] .auth [15:12:06] @Joseph Raidarr thank you [20:50:24] What in the heck is this? What is Creative Commons even thinking? https://twitter.com/creativecommons/status/1464667408157888522 [20:50:24] [Twitter] Creative Commons (@creativecommons): The article we shared on NFTs has driven quite the conversation from all sides. CC's CEO has responded here in this blog post.👇 ⏎ https://creativecommons.org/2021/11/27/in-response-to-nft-debate/ | 7 RTs | 25 ♥s | Posted: 2021-11-27 - 18:48:16UTC [20:50:31] choco? hey [20:50:38] didn't know you were here [20:50:41] i'm livony btw [20:50:43] Like, from what I'm seeing, this comes off as downplaying critiques of it such as environmental concerns, volatility, & copyright/theft concerns as personal attacks [20:50:52] oh hi there [20:51:02] 👋🏾 [20:51:10] I'm sorry CC, but if you're gonna dive into something that's pretty controversial like NFTs, at least acknowledge the controversy around it and not promote it in a blog post unconditionally [20:51:50] Why is everyone turning to NFTs :thinkingcp: [20:52:01] like, random orgs just moving to it for no apparent reason [20:52:15] yeah, and one that Miraheze relies on, sadly [20:52:22] yeah, I'm into NFT No Fucking Thanks [20:52:58] and that's the main problem I've been having with media and mainstream outlets promoting anything crypto-related. They always seem to promote it in such a way that's uncritical and if they do know about the criticism, dismiss or downplay it as an attack [20:52:58] Well, their license only [20:53:15] I apologize for my questionable decline towards that specific request earlier. This also applies to @Doug and @Legroom. [20:53:17] A lot of organizations rely on CC so we'll have to see how they react too [20:54:26] Yeah. I wonder if Miraheze will make a public response criticizing Creative Commons [20:54:32] It's fine, I just wanted to inform you that you need to ask a question if you decline via "On hold pending response", that's all [20:54:48] I don't think we will, it's not our place to do so [20:55:10] Let one of the bigger companies criticize it I'd say [20:55:15] Wouldn't Doug say the same thing as well? You and him have talked frequently with each other like I frequently interact with him. [20:55:25] CC has millions of users, I'm sure one of them will say something [20:56:09] Well, this is someone who works for Wikimedia criticizing CC https://twitter.com/josephseddon/status/1463985765961150474 [20:56:09] [Twitter] Seddon (@josephseddon): @creativecommons Whilst NFT's and CC licenses COULD co-exist, but they SHOULD NOT. ⏎ ⏎ It's a pyramid scheme. It's a problematic contributor to global warming. And whilst third party articles do not reflect the mission & values of CC, pushing them on @creativecommons own twitter feed does. | 5 RTs | 65 ♥s | Posted: 2021-11-25 - 21:39:40UTC [20:56:29] in meantime - I can't install fucking Python for some reason :moonch: [20:56:47] A WMF engineer but not WMF as a whole [20:57:13] I could criticize NFTs too but as I'm not acting in an official capacity, you can't say "Miraheze doesn't like NFTs!" [20:57:34] btw, cc dmehus for DMM's comments ^ [20:57:44] Right [20:58:25] I don't know if it's the same, but its kinda like how many Discord employees have criticized their own company thinking about diving into crypto/NFTs [20:59:04] Yeah, regardless, I don't see why CC would need to promote NFTs. Like, they're not even in the same field of work [20:59:10] unless they're talking about licensing for NFTs [20:59:55] Agent, thanks [21:00:15] and that makes me wonder if there's something going on at Discord internally between the higher-ups and the employees who work there [21:00:36] because when there's smoke, chances are, there's probably fire [21:01:46] It makes me worried Discord only paused that NFT plan only to resume it again secretly or do so once they replace their employees with those who are sympathetic to NFTs and the latter is probably the worst case scenario [21:03:16] I don't know what Discord has proposed re: NFTs [21:05:01] * dmehus hopes they're not proposing to sell expensive NFT emojis or stickers or something as a potential revenue generating option and thinks Discord should just lower the price of Nitro to entice more users to join Nitro [21:05:30] https://twitter.com/jasoncitron/status/1457841222995693570 https://twitter.com/jasoncitron/status/1458607550677405699 [21:05:30] [Twitter] Jason Citron (@jasoncitron): @packyM @mariogabriele @discord probably nothing https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDtKOHvUYAcELFW.png | 3176 RTs | 12541 ♥s | Posted: 2021-11-08 - 22:43:27UTC [21:05:31] [Twitter] Jason Citron (@jasoncitron): @packyM @mariogabriele @discord Thanks for all the perspectives everyone. We have no current plans to ship this internal concept. For now we're focused on protecting users from spam, scams and fraud. Web3 has lots of good but also lots of problems we need to work through at our scale. More soon. | 230 RTs | 1577 ♥s | Posted: 2021-11-11 - 01:28:34UTC [21:06:21] Like, it would be SO stupid for Discord to make layoffs just because a handful of their employees disagree with the CEO. It would signal that Discord employees should unionize, but that's for another time [21:07:12] Also, in regards to lowering the price of Nitro, Discord did just that but its through a BOGO sale rather than lowering the price [21:07:13] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/914261095206756462/unknown.png [21:07:28] Also, in regards to lowering the price of Nitro, Discord did just that but its through a BOGO sale rather than lowering the price [21:08:02] https://twitter.com/HEYimHeroic/status/1462939606530379778 [21:08:02] [Twitter] i'm alice (@HEYimHeroic): Discord is now practically begging people to rebuy Nitro. do not give in until Discord makes an official statement actually denouncing NFTs/crypto. that vague "it may still be on the table" tweet from the ceo is nothing but more nonsense. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE1n0VhWQAAWOKH.png | 18227 RTs | 44716 ♥s | Posted: 2021-11-23 - 00:22:36UTC [21:08:11] * dmehus is gagging and choking the number of corporate PR jargon words in that press release [21:09:05] specifically this: "Discord feels fluid, biotic, an organism that has yet to fully evolve. Though the company has succeeded in securing a $15 billion valuation and earns hundreds of millions in revenue, there’s the sense that its current manifestation is perhaps only halfway to its end state." [21:09:49] Translation: Though some believe Discord is worth $15 billion on paper and earns hundreds of millions in revenue annually, its current state is unprofitable [21:10:43] likewise: "For Discord to reach its obscene potential, CEO Jason Citron — no stranger to pivots — may have to embrace new technologies, consider different revenue streams, and lean into the novel paradigms of web3." [21:12:40] Translation: "For Discord to reach sustained profitability, its CEO and founder, Jason Citron, not immune from doing 180 degree u-turns on customer promises, considers different ways to additional incremental revenue, and lean into " [21:14:49] oh they want to make a Bot Store [21:14:54] so they charge for inclusion [21:17:52] only further proving NFTs are a pyramid scheme, because you have to pay some sort of fee in order to get in] [21:18:37] ChocoMingo, yeah [21:18:54] I thought NFTs were just a new form of cryptocurrency [21:19:02] a way of storing a unit of value digitally [21:20:47] I don't think you can even "store" an image file on the blockchain. Just the URL link that contains it and that's a problem given a link is volatile via link rot. If the link dies, if you try to access the NFT, you get nothing. It becomes completely worthless [21:21:41] even worse tho? not the actual image but just a "certificate"? [21:21:45] ChocoMingo, oh yeah, that's not good at all if it's suspectible to link rot. also, it's at the mercy of whoever controls the domain [21:21:49] Yes [21:21:52] exactly [21:22:13] And people be making comparisons to other cons throughout history like Beanie Babies but that's a pretty unfair comparison because at least with those, you get to have a physical item you can play with or give to a child [21:22:30] true [21:22:36] and beanie babies didn't rot ;) [21:22:38] Regardless of if the value of the Beanie Baby goes up or down, the personal value is priceless [21:22:42] they still exist [21:22:45] yep [21:22:56] if they disappeared after 10 years, then it'd be a fairer comparison, I suppose [21:23:56] * dmehus would only buy Bitcoin, from a regulated Bitcoin exchange that custodies their assets in an allocated and segregated account managed by a federally chartered trust company [21:24:53] Not even Pet Rocks or those Name-a-Star things would be a fair comparsion [21:27:09] I can't wait for that NFT regulation by the IRS to come at the end of next year. Yeah, never would I thought the IRS would do something good, but here we are [21:28:06] yeah [21:28:17] or the SEC [21:28:45] I might also expect the FTC to weigh in, if NFTs are indeed a prone to fraud [21:29:40] Also, its so ridiculous how Miami's government is trying to make its own cryptocurrency called "MiamiCoin", because if they make this some sort of opt-out thing where everyone is offered one even if they don't want it, that'd be grounds for a lawsuit, since that's clearly unconstitutional [21:29:55] lol [21:30:13] No, I am not joking about the MiamiCoin thing sadly [21:30:27] I'm not certain it would be unconstitutional, though [21:30:33] but given they let a crypto company have the naming rights to the Miami Heat's arena, I'm not surprised [21:30:39] as they're not proposing to make it legal tender [21:31:49] They've announced they're giving Bitcoin/MiamiCoin dividends to citizens https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article255737691.html [21:31:50] [url] Suarez announces Bitcoin, digital wallets for Miami residents | Miami Herald | www.miamiherald.com [21:32:18] wtf [21:32:27] why not just offer cash to their citizens? [21:32:31] I don't get it [21:32:50] yeah, kinda like the US government has been doing for a while [21:33:13] oh [21:33:26] like, it's so weird how some of the same people who hate the idea of a "government handout" would accept it only if it's in crypto [21:33:27] oh they're getting into bitcoin mining [21:33:38] is Suarez a Republican or Democrat? [21:33:41] I don't do shitcoin. [21:33:55] Republican [21:33:56] if the latter, it's surprising because of the environmental impacts of Bitcoin mining [21:33:59] oh [21:34:04] (Referring to bitcoin). [21:34:09] yeah, there's a handful of them in Miami [21:34:32] DarkMatterMan4500, I figured that's what you meant. It was pretty obvious. Funny, though. :) [21:36:32] most of the Republicans in the city are not white, but actually from Latin American countries, more notably Cubans [21:37:04] and from that, Cuban migrants who came to the US in the mid-20th century [21:38:12] I think the Cuban populations elsewhere in the state like in Tampa is different from that of Miami tho [21:38:58] @Doug Have you been checking #cvt for a while? [21:39:04] where I'm guessing the Tampa Cubans seem to be more blue. I could be wrong tho [21:41:00] DarkmatterMan4500, I have, and your reports are definitely on my to-do list this weekend [21:42:27] Very good. Even the proof of evasion that I found today? [21:43:29] For Angel Pearl or Leerdoman74? Either way, I think the proof was quite clearly. It's just a matter of me needing to take a second look at how best to handle the situation(s) :) [21:43:39] s/clearly/clear [21:43:39] dmehus meant to say: For Angel Pearl or Leerdoman74? Either way, I think the proof was quite clear. It's just a matter of me needing to take a second look at how best to handle the situation(s) :) [21:44:35] The former and the latter. I really wanted him to just appeal his lock on his master account rather than creating new ones over and over again. [21:46:28] lol, what do you mean by the former and the latter? [21:46:42] Agent, any idea what DarkMatterMan4500 means by "the former and the latter"? [21:47:22] Mostly the former involving Angel Pearl and partially the latter for Leerdoman74. [21:47:58] DarkMatterMan4500, oh okay [21:48:02] thanks for clarifying :) [21:48:12] that kind of makes more sense now then [21:49:56] I'm sure you'll get to them either tonight or tomorrow (likely either the former or the latter). [21:53:06] yep :) [22:10:14] Okay. [22:11:32] Since I know Sunday is your free day, since you don't work Sundays anyway. I've known your schedule since mid-July. [22:15:00] I am going to make a tutorial video on how to make and run a wiki. [22:17:55] Mike9012, that sounds good [22:19:15] That ain't such a bad idea. [22:37:19] I am done making a tutorial video. [22:37:38] Now it's rendering and going to be on YouTube and Vimeo. [22:38:46] why both? [22:38:54] I hope nobody attacks you just for using Miraheze. Otherwise, they'd make themselves look so stupid. [22:39:42] I usually use Miraheze to make wikis like Disney's Robin Hood Wiki called WikiHood I made back in September of 2020. [22:40:29] Seeing as though you were on Miraheze since around 2018. [22:40:37] Actually, since 2016. [22:40:54] Ah yes. Forgot about that. [22:41:13] 5 years on miraheze? Nice [22:42:32] not related to response necessarily but afaik Miraheze is more right-leaning [22:43:43] it could just be me imagining thoughts though [22:45:27] Here is the Tutorial Video (my first try): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElOVKHYZLTM [22:45:27] [YouTube] ⁨How to Make a Wiki⁩ | 5m 50s | Channel: ⁨Mike9012⁩ | 0 views | 2021-11-27 - 22:44:52 [22:47:01] nice job [22:48:09] Blue fire or normal fire? [22:48:09] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/914286499112034324/2021-11-27_22.45.04.png [22:48:22] The build [22:48:22] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/914286555391209482/2021-11-27_22.16.23.png [22:50:17] hmmm how about normal [22:50:27] seems to match the aesthetic better imo [22:51:57] Thanks [22:52:09] yw [22:52:34] @Lake Joseph ay guess who's also here [22:52:49] (I know Lakelimbo from other wikis) [22:53:11] What about these lanterns? [22:53:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/914287765007532072/2021-11-27_22.52.47.png [22:53:18] blue [22:53:30] Why? (just wonderintg_ [22:53:39] hola [22:54:08] idk... green is when blue/yellow mixed together [22:54:27] and the area is blue & foggy [22:54:40] in distance, that is [22:54:56] @Lake Joseph i've been... up to no good 😛 [22:55:23] 🤔 well, i've been doing nothing here recently [22:55:27] so much things to do [22:55:31] https://nintendo.miraheze.org/ [22:55:32] [url] Nintendo Wiki, a wiki on Mario, Zelda, Pokémon, Kirby, Animal Crossing, and more! | nintendo.miraheze.org [22:55:32] (elsewhere) [22:56:00] cool, but I thought you would edit nwiki [22:56:06] (on niwa) [22:56:09] too restrictive [22:56:50] at least in my opinion [22:56:58] i have a friend, Torchickens, who edits there [22:59:29] I am making sure people don't hate me because I use Miraheze, I use it for WikiHood (which needs more admins) [23:00:00] if ppl do tell them that they can get out [23:00:06] Even if they do, their attacks would prove that they are childish and idiotic. [23:00:11] ^^^^^^^ [23:01:21] @Lake, is niwa hosted by Miraheze? [23:02:03] What is wikihood? [23:02:17] A wiki about 1952 and 1973 Disney's Robin Hood. [23:02:29] dmehus: no, NIWA is actually a group of independent wikis [23:05:33] Except Zelda Wiki [23:06:11] the original/co-founder of NIWA ironically. Their Gamepedia relationship was a success, but them being acquired by Fandom was unforeseen [23:06:19] @Lake, ah, okay, that makes sense, yeah [23:21:45] yeh, I hope Zelda Dungeon can replace ZeldaWiki [23:25:44] let's but out NIWA like Gamepedia tried to >:) [23:28:10] Blue or orange fire? [23:28:10] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/914296568981639248/2021-11-27_23.11.47.png [23:30:46] Oh wow, that looks nice [23:30:52] Miraheze Minecraft server when?? [23:31:17] Oh yeah, #deleted-channel exists lol [23:33:28] @Agent What [23:33:51] Orange looks very nice [23:35:02] Thank you [23:35:40] Well, the concept exists [23:35:43] The practice, well [23:35:58] @raidarr, re: https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DarkMatterMan4500&diff=214069&oldid=213829&diffmode=source, I agree your reversion, but disagree with the tool with you used. With only one edit to revert, preference is to use the undo function, rather than rollback [23:36:01] [url] Difference between revisions of "User talk:DarkMatterMan4500" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [23:36:05] Raidarr, what do you think would look better? [23:36:45] Rollback was not what I intended to use, pretty much dumb-fingered it [23:36:50] Oh oops [23:37:05] @raidarr, oh okay, np, sounds good :) [23:37:46] With a manual undo I would have largely integrated the description I left on Fatburn's talk page into the summary, but alas [23:53:55] yeah [23:54:14] that's what I would've done too, oh well