[04:22:08] I'm looking forward to creating an encyclopedia like Wikipedia, but with the exception of the dormancy policy, and, Wikipedia's deletion pages will go to this wiki [04:27:29] To do this, I will request the deletion of a wiki of mine, which is useless, and request such a wiki [04:28:01] Anxious to creating this wiki [04:30:05] @Agent @DarkMatterMan4500 @raidarr @magogre [04:32:28] @YellowFrogger, can I help? [04:32:37] Yes [04:32:44] Sure [04:32:47] what I can do [04:32:57] review a wiki request? delete a wiki? [04:32:59] both? [04:34:34] Pay attention to the scope and look how cool: I will make this wiki to resubmit articles for deletion from Wikipedia by notability rules and create on the wiki, however, I will avoid live people pages because I'm afraid. Also, live people will only be accepted if the person themselves did the autobiography on the wiki [04:35:43] But I'm in conflict, whether I make the request now or not. [04:46:11] okay will look in a minute [05:15:19] @YellowFrogger, I do not see your wiki request [05:15:26] oh [05:15:32] you haven't submitted it yet [05:15:58] I mean, that is fine, but consider that non-notable people may want details about them on the Internet [05:16:25] and they can be problematic to police, in terms of ensuring users are not posting non-public personal information [05:17:21] If you do, you'd want to have a liberal deletion policy, such that if the subject requests deletion of the article, you will honour it without question [11:29:12] To be quite frank in addition to the above where the less notable may not want to be noted, there are a handful of wikis on Miraheze with this exact same or a rather similar premise [11:30:20] In other words from my opinion and possibly from a content policy perspective, your topic is redundant both on the internet in general and on Miraheze particularly. Such wikis already struggle to gain real traction and depth when for the most part Wikipedia's notability policy only turns away a fringe audience, not a notable one. [11:31:11] And obviously not an organized one, there's an odd three wikis I can think of that are in it to survive (activity is another matter) which share a similar set of principles. The exact wording may differ but the results are basically the same. [14:31:45] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/dgsddASS/ [14:32:00] security, propserity and respect are the values of the labour party that Keir will lead. I actually remembered those three words lol. [14:32:02] so seems to be doing wonders, just like the 10 by 10. [17:35:16] Hm - would you think documenting people is fine as long as they can remove it, then? [Through some quick process] [17:35:47] That's what the Fandom does already [18:37:08] I am a more experienced editor than those cited [18:37:45] I think it would be a better idea to join an existing and stuggling wiki, then start yet another wiki of the same idea [18:38:40] But I haven't seen a wiki doing this same thing here on miraheze [18:41:07] Seems like there is a high chance of the wiki failing or just kinda... chugging along [18:41:39] I never left a wiki, trust me [18:41:45] If you really want to it to work, be prepered to either have a stuggle finding volunteers or gasp you may need to pay writers [18:42:00] There's wikis by more experienced users which cover almost anything [18:42:10] Wikis that lack a notability policy [18:42:16] or have a loose one [18:42:28] Well, I rember FAMEPedia is like that I think [18:42:48] There's Everybody wiki, but there isn't one with a similar idea on Miraheze [18:42:58] Pretty sure Fame is not in the best state either, they would like more editors I think [18:43:06] And I forgot to mention that there is no one in Portuguese [18:43:39] I would suggest assebling a team of volunteers and/or paid writers as to get off the ground, you need some content (100-200 pages or so)# [18:44:15] A almost dead wiki with 1 editor and 10 pages is not really a wiki I would want to join [18:44:36] But I stated above that I will take the pages for deletion from Wikipedia to wiki, and avoid articles those from wikipedia [18:46:21] I know, I'm going to create a Portuguese version of Famepedia [18:46:26] That task is almost impossible to do [18:46:45] Then things like attubation and other CC-by-sa things have to be followed [18:47:04] Pretty sure there is a wiki on FANDOM that does that [18:47:29] Meaning you may rank lower SEO wise then that wiki, as prettuy sure google hates copy pastes [18:48:33] It's not that. Wikipedia delete pages will be deleted one day [18:48:59] You would still be conpeating ast any wikis, say a fandom wiki that does the same thing [18:49:25] I don't edit in FANDOM because of the interface [18:49:51] ]FANDOM has damm good SEO, and more users could click there, and be drawn to edit, plus, they probly had a head start [18:50:12] As in, maybe it would be best to write your own, orginal comtent [18:50:46] Good SEO to make money. And there it doesn't even look like a wiki, but rather an amateur blog or a FANDOM central site [18:51:47] Everybody wiki isn't too bad and does the same thing in picking up Wikipedia articles for deletion [18:59:40] Best to find another nicth I say,m or join that other wiki [19:01:47] I think it would be best to write your own content [19:04:31] @raidarr What do you think? [19:16:30] I think it's about time to have an open source alternative to Sketch [19:18:52] Uh [19:19:50] What is sketch? @Lakelimbo [19:20:55] it's a design prototyping app [19:21:38] What does that mean? [19:36:38] the 3d modeling one? [19:39:14] Oh [19:39:34] I have heard of blender [20:01:53] first and last I used it was in 2010 lol [20:44:43] I finally made all those blank pages, (for my Taerel wiki) after 2 days and 8-12 hours of work I made 530+ pages) with a ton of hand copy pasting, but already set up a way to auto add a page template into each page if you enter the name into a box [20:49:32] I mean, in about a year'ss rtime, IU will have to do this all over again with the zu'aan tribes and their related places [20:59:32] Not a matter of being experienced really [21:00:12] If you want to make a portuguese edition of famepedia, feel free to contact its admin and see about getting a pt.famepedia domain access [21:06:25] I think it would be best more to write their own aticles in Portuguese over taking from other soruces due to Google disliking sites with the4 same text [21:06:47] Better SEO - A chance at more readers -> a chance at more editors [21:08:16] Wikipedia does fine with site-split languages. If he approaches it in that respect it'll at least not add to the amount of competing brands. [21:10:38] I would prefer the content to be at hand translated, as to avoid google translate errors [21:11:35] That is quite preferable, yes. [21:11:43] Split lang is a good idea, if it works out [21:11:49] I don't think he said he'd machine translate all of them though, and if he did that would entirely defeat the purpose. [21:11:59] There's literal browser extensions to do a surface machine translation :p [21:12:24] I personally dislike copy paste based sites and prefer at lest "written in own words" [21:12:59] Very preferable indeed [21:13:25] I mean, pretty google dislikes copy pastes SEO wise [21:14:05] Of course. Not sure it's as touchy about translations though. [21:14:19] That's more from a usability perspective in the case of machine translating (ie, accuracy/original meaning) [21:15:30] I just feel like the best idea would be a fully hand written in portuguese or a carfully translated and written in own words FamePedia fork [21:17:42] @raidarr I have a feeling it would not take off, esp as its own brand, not without gathering a team of volunteers or paidw riters [21:33:22] I don't think Famepedia itself or the others have a high chance of hitting it off tbh, but at least FP is leading somewhat for a coherent brand [21:39:30] Why do yhou think that? [21:40:28] Little niche. There's not much sustainable market for people who don't care for wikipedia's notability guidelines or quality control when the main thing they're commonly gone after for is lacking QC. [21:41:04] https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1478464077529759751 [21:41:04] [Twitter] Mirror Politics (@MirrorPolitics): Labour leader @Keir_Starmer writes for @MirrorPolitics: 'In the Britain I lead everyone will be treated with dignity' ⏎ https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-in-britain-lead-25853420?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar | 20 RTs | 34 ♥s | Posted: 2022-01-04 - 20:31:19GMT [21:41:42] My wiki is not really taking off, sadly [21:42:40] Ah well. You know yours is rather niche. [21:44:11] Luckly, I have both money and time to spare to spam forums and DMs [21:48:04]

hello [21:48:18] Hi [21:48:31] How would you make famepedia betyter># [21:50:38] I'm not sure I could tbh, I think the only thing of its scale that could get somewhere in this oversaturated age is a) an innovative approach I don't know of which would attract attention, or b) very large figures sponsoring its development [21:51:42] What I don't think are the answers are its previous attempts at c) being an obvious effort to self-advertise or advertise families, associates, etc for SEO purposes, in other words not trying to become big and d) mass importing wikipedia in policy and infrastructure in an attempt to 'catch up' [21:52:05] I'm not sure what it is right now, I think it's slowly defaulted back to c after its administration broke down [21:54:47] Broke down?: How? [21:55:41] One bureaucrat was leading the d) approach and had a team of admins based on his support. The original admin who'd fallen inactive came back, deposed the newer bureaucrat/admin team and pretty much forced back to the c) approach. [21:55:54] What ultimately happened is obscure. [21:56:12] Stewards were involved for a time, but it seems an agreement was reached. [21:56:24] In any case its infrastructure is left with more holes than ever. [21:56:57] But if the objective is to promote one's own concepts and existence through seo, a healthy, collaborative wiki meta is not necessary. [21:59:24] I don't think wikipedia rules importing really works [22:15:16] It's gnarly enough for Wikipedia, imagine bringing all that to a community that either does not exist or went away specifically because that stuff was too gnarly >.> [22:22:20] How much is toio much for rules?> [22:31:28] If a new wiki requires you to travel several pages of rules to get a gist how to work, it's probably got too many. [23:13:01] like, one page of policies and one page on manual of style should be enough? bonus faq page [23:16:08] Pretty much [23:20:58] Ughh, I'm still trying to talk our wiki crew into fixing the broken, all over the place policies... slow uphill climb [23:28:35] A lot of the time I think the trouble is that most wikis really just don't have that side as a focus, and it's understandable; you're there to build a wiki, not its meta [23:29:26] But where I think the ratio should be 15-20% administrative focus (the things keeping the background running including policies, community structure, categories and development), it's more often 0-5% and the result is a wiki's content growing too big for its local meta. [23:36:38] @Agent https://pokemonwiki.info/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon you might like this i think [23:36:39] [url] Pokémon - Pokémon Wiki, a Pokémon encyclopedia | pokemonwiki.info [23:37:01] i wrote it a while ago & added it to this miraheze wiki 1-2 days ago as well as franchise & video game series page [23:37:51] BurningPrincess, just review what I'm writing: I'll just duplicate the pages that are going to be deleted, and you're wrong to say that. The Wikipedia will delete it one day, they're boring in terms of creating articles, and the content will be exclusive. The SEO can be improved with extensions, even so, Miraheze's SEO is terrible. [23:38:14] Hmm, perhaps [23:38:35] hopefully can become featured Miraheze wikis some day [23:41:36] @Agent sorry for the ping (i know it ironic) if it either bugged you or broke chat rules [23:42:45] No worries [23:42:51] Maybe, you never know [23:43:34] Is your profile picture supposed to be Ash Ketchum? [23:43:44] Yes :P [23:43:48] with Pikachu's face [23:44:05] Lmao. [23:55:48] What would you say to a person who says volunteering is "waste of time" or "something that gets nothing".