[00:10:46] Usually, when someone asks if there's any other ideas or stuff to discuss in a meeting, that's the time for folks to bring up other stuff. [00:12:04] I thought that question was intended to discuss other stuff. [01:03:23] What do folks think are the primary audience group that use Meta? I've guessed something like the following, but am I missing any?: New to Miraheze / Wiki Readers MH Wiki Editors/Contributors (novice, intermediate, advanced) MH Volunteers Sponsors (existing and potential) [02:13:17] @Legroom tell me something: are palmtrees a thing in russia? [03:29:05] iPhone battery is no more than 10 minutes. Good thing I don't use it and I prefer Android 😃 [04:07:46] in the most southern region, Sochi it even got a palm in its flag/coat of arms [04:15:03] in the most southern region by the Black sea most known city is Sochi, it even got a palm tree on its flag/coat of arms [05:31:38] Rockstar Games needs to stop breaking their apps [05:33:52] @dross loved your /quit message on IRC :p [05:34:41] I appreciate it too :p My client randomly inserts a message. I love it [05:35:00] oh cool [06:43:22] mfw I have to restart Windows because their installer borked my mouse [07:20:30] :berk: [07:22:42] Switch to Gentoo :P [07:23:29] :hyper_spray: [07:24:24] I've actually thought about starting an old computer on Ubuntu in the past. I'm always scared I won't be able to find a good equivalent app/package to Windows tho [07:24:39] I tried Linux Mint from USB once [07:24:46] And use Tails sometimes :p [07:25:14] I have Windows due to compatibility issues, but my main OS is macOS [07:25:38] Also, I'm in college, and they all absolutely RELY on Microsoft products haha [07:26:14] Until 2020 our univ web services had a hard dependency on ActiveX [07:26:45] You'll usually find what you need tbh [07:27:31] (And the game I play only have Windows client) [07:28:20] Yeah, with gaming, you have to have Windows [07:28:22] It's either you install Windows or you don't play anything [07:28:44] smh revi [07:28:58] Hoi hoi [07:29:41] I've been looking at a NextCloud and OnlyOffice solution for a potential future project as a Google Docs alternative I can control without paying thousands per year [07:29:56] I've tried NextCloud, it's nice [07:30:02] Also why I haven't given up Windows :p [07:30:12] Just dual boot :) [07:30:22] Partitions scare me [07:30:32] lol [07:30:49] Can you have shared docs between OSes? [07:30:58] Ah what's the worst that could happen [07:31:07] 😭😅 [07:31:34] I gotta say... Linux webserver administration does seem way simpler from a Linux machine [07:31:35] I once had nextcloud but for now I'm not using it [07:31:52] You can, using a drive you partition in FAT32 I think [07:31:56] or actually [07:32:01] Linux can finally read NTFS [07:32:10] Oh development from a Linux box is 🆗 [07:32:41] use GParted and follow tutorials and you'll be fine [07:32:57] she says, entirely using Windows [07:33:26] Also, how's the Discord on Linux now? A few years back, it was being like 50% of updates and riddled with complaints [07:34:00] (as somebody who uses Canary lol) [07:34:05] I only run Linux as a server mode lol [07:34:24] Oh yeah ^^ [07:34:29] I'm somewhat fond of PowerShell lol [07:34:45] Desktop mode maybe via VM but still [07:34:49] Oh and WSL [07:35:08] There's a native Discord client now and it runs fine [07:35:11] Ooh yeah, with WSL you hardly need a Linux OS now tbh [07:35:47] That is, if you already have a Windows license [07:36:07] 🏴‍☠️ [07:36:11] I mean, yeah [07:36:35] Is there some way to bypass licensing that I'm unaware of here? [07:37:31] Oh I couldn't say [07:37:38] perhaps [07:37:51] There's probably some if you try hard, but I don't engage with piracy [07:37:59] Well, it's always perhaps. Software is only as secure as the writers are smart [07:38:02] I mean [07:38:02] (I even purchased Windows license.) [07:38:21] :goodmin: revi [07:38:43] never seen that emoji :P [07:39:05] Unauthorized graphics? :devilthonk: [07:39:10] Because [07:39:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/932177143364993074/IMG_1423.png [07:39:21] mwuahaha [07:39:30] unfair :red_angry_face: [07:39:34] (Well, that is when Microsoft didnd't update their pricing logic and made Windows available for $3 for few hours) [07:39:54] LOL [07:39:58] Thanks Venezuela. [07:40:02] I missed out, evidently [07:40:07] It was 2016 [07:40:25] Somehow it wasn't revoked [07:40:30] There are still legit ways to get Windows for free out there, last I checked [07:40:35] or at least Windows 10 [07:40:37] Yeah [07:40:47] But I am too lazy to check it up [07:41:09] my computer came with a Windows license which somehow wasn't revoked when I changed motherboards so I've been using that :P [07:41:12] According to #wikimedia-stewards (back in the freenode era), I am the laziest stewards of all [07:41:16] lol [07:41:24] Correct [07:41:38] I'd be really curious why that is [07:42:24] don't question it 🤫 [07:42:56] Also, I will have a Linux machine one day heh. I want a home server in the future, at least for my LAN [07:43:18] Get yourself a little Raspberry Pi to test out Windows [07:43:21] Maybe a captive portal to make guests easy [07:43:44] You think Windows Server instead? [07:46:46] Why oh why would I choose to install a Windows update this close to midnight? [07:47:16] LOL [07:47:27] I said install Windows on a Raspberry Pi 🤣 [07:47:39] I meant to test out Linux [07:48:51] I was wondering a little... I'm sure there's a way, but... [07:49:06] :p [07:49:16] Somebody somewhere has probably done it [07:49:52] I'll dedicate my Pi to Miraheze load balancing when it isn't in use :p [12:46:59] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Vue.js [12:47:00] [url] Vue.js - MediaWiki | www.mediawiki.org [12:47:06] just became aware that this is a thing [17:35:40] A wild @Doug has appeared! [18:07:45] :) [18:50:20] And dmehus / @Doug has re-appeared again. [18:50:34] wildness :) [20:37:38] Hi [21:52:47] yawn yo [22:37:37] Today feels like a xanax-is-needed day [22:39:51] Yesterday was a tsunami warning day. [23:12:46] just for some Pacific countries [23:16:24] Yep, where I live is one of them. [23:16:48] The alert got cancelled though, thankfully. [23:19:23] USA? [23:19:28] Canada [23:19:32] ah [23:19:36] BC I guess [23:19:50] Yep [23:20:47] where I live there was no alert because we're ruled by criminals that aren't interested in our lives [23:21:01] Oh, sounds fun /s. [23:21:14] despite our two neighbors activated an alert [23:21:42] There's an alert app (not government run), but not sure what regions it serves. [23:22:51] many beaches here were affected [23:23:12] food points, umbrellas... [23:23:35] Staying away from the water, being prepared for flooding I bet. [23:23:44] but when it comes to covid they still do things that have been proven that don't work [23:23:55] We were on flood warning alert mostly, and told of course to stay away from waterways. [23:24:32] can you believe that some beaches only accept vaccinated people, despite it's outdoors? [23:24:46] After having most of our key highways destroyed a month or so back.. I was thinking -->🙄 [23:24:48] can you believe they were closed for new year's eve? [23:25:09] and they weren't closed due to tsunami? [23:25:43] Huh, that's interesting. I guess they are wanting to put pressure on the unvaccinated to not be an undue burden to healthcare... so probably it's not due to beaches but part of making life harder as a negative incentive. [23:25:53] dude [23:26:01] 90% of the capital city is vaccinated [23:26:03] They're going to start making liquor and cannibis (federally legal here) require vaccination in some places. [23:26:14] I thought that was an interesting move. [23:26:27] no, it's just more state [23:26:32] and I don't want that [23:26:34] it's just worrying [23:27:17] I don't want a welfare state, it just gave us trouble and turned my country into a giant and luxury jail [23:27:25] We operate at almost 100% capacity in our hospitals normally, so most people support added measures for pressure to reduce the unvaccinated glut in healthcare. So many people are having life-saving surguries postponed. [23:27:54] see... many people in North America and Europe don't want to get vaccinated [23:27:55] My best friend's dad didn't get his cancer treatment because of covid hospital capacity, he's going to die. It metastasized to his bones. [23:27:58] that doesn't happen in Latin America [23:28:20] you can't even go to a supermarket if you aren't vaccinated !! [23:28:56] Well, I'm waiting on surgery getting pushed back and back due to unvaccinated people too. [23:29:38] and that's just because the people voted for the radical left, because that wouldn't happen with the other candidate -despite being a total corrupt- [23:29:42] I don't have much pity, for preventable illness, denying me decent care. But to each their own. [23:29:52] but people just vote with their liver, and not with their brain [23:29:58] I think once people need the resources and they aren't there, they might get it. [23:30:55] you usually get a booster after 5-8 months after the second dose [23:31:05] but here they do it after 90 days [23:31:22] it's just paranoia [23:31:33] To me, it's sad that some refuse to help protect themselves and especially the vulnerable, that's part and parcel of living in a society and being a responsible citizen imho. [23:31:59] yes, it's sad, but it's their responsibility [23:32:25] can you believe there's still curfew in here despite it has been proven totally useless? [23:32:29] Here we wait 6 months to boost [23:32:50] And we waited 16 weeks between shot 1 and 2 and got 3.5 times the immunity. [23:32:51] yes, I'm gonna wait at least 5 months for the booster [23:33:14] because you need to generate antibodies [23:33:23] Frankly I think on one hand there are measures still in place with only superstitious impact, yet too many people who've long come to disregard the pandemic as an issue altogether (the latter being the prevailing attitude in my region) [23:33:36] what region, may I ask? [23:33:37] Because they look at the data in our public healthcare system, and made an educated guess that panned out well. They are sticking to that, the data. [23:33:45] Northern Michigan [23:34:17] We're lucky to now be at just over 90% with at least partial vaccination [23:34:38] I am gonna say something that some people will agree with me and some will disagree [23:34:51] The course of life :p [23:34:53] the state that handled the pandemic better than the other ones was Florida [23:35:10] no stupid measures [23:35:10] lol [23:35:14] not familiar enough to dispute [23:35:24] Sounds rather surprising for Florida by meme culture alone though [23:35:43] I can't comment, all I hear is what's published here and there and from friends that live nearby. [23:35:46] and, less percentage of death/infected% [23:36:08] I think we're at 82% of total pop vaccinated, thankfully. [23:36:51] same [23:37:02] but people are so paranoic [23:37:27] can you believe some of them still wear face shields, despite being proven that they don't work for the population? [23:37:44] The superstitious impact :p [23:37:46] can you believe they use masks even for little kids? [23:38:00] can you believe they use face masks for going outdoors? [23:38:06] As a person who is immune-compromised, I'm thankful that most of my friends and coworkers were respectful enough of their elderly and of the immune-compromised to take that into account and get vaccinated. Otherwise they'd just never see us. [23:38:31] Even vaccination at this point is a measured advantage, if you want something reliable, be religiously aloof [23:38:45] there are just few anti-vax people [23:38:50] But, we also kick people out of hospitals if they don't comply with masking indoors. [23:38:51] Probably how I've gotten on unimpaired both in health (from covid) and in general :p [23:39:41] I say this as I recover from likely Omicron 😆 [23:39:52] Same [23:39:54] lol [23:39:57] Fortunately, it wasn't too severe due to being vaccinated. [23:40:27] Can't do much sustained physical activity without getting lightheaded still. Probably that's going to linger a while. [23:40:57] I don't know if I had covid, but things taste different :( [23:41:04] Masking outdoors is kinda silly, I only do that if I have to share a sidewalk with a bunch of people close together, as most others do. [23:41:21] Same, FrozenPlum [23:41:25] Taste changes aren't a typical symptom of Omicron. [23:41:35] There are some key differences to this variant symptom-wise. [23:41:51] There's still some Delta going around. [23:42:03] People look at me like a weird one when I walk without a mask [23:42:16] What country are you in? [23:42:21] I just wear that indoors [23:42:39] @Miraheze-IRC [23:42:40] Peru [23:42:41] I find it interesting the significant differences between countries in how things are being handled. [23:43:29] the country that had probably the worst lockdown around the world [23:43:38] well, after Argentina [23:43:53] (speaking about democratic countries, because China is a dictatorship as we all know) [23:44:33] There is only one country in the world that still enforces face shield use, do you know how is it called? [23:44:35] It's Panama [23:45:41] we fought a lot to get rid of it [23:46:14] but we finally did [23:46:50] Face shields are still used in hospitals here, in combination with n95 because droplets to the eyeballs are still a thing, but that's mostly it. [23:47:07] yes, in hospitals [23:47:15] but I am not talking about doctors and nurses [23:47:29] I talk about 100% of the people [23:47:46] In public transportations, and some workers [23:48:52] hey, even Duterte does not require it anymore [23:49:22] people did not keep social distance, they were -and still are- so superstitious [23:49:30] just because that plastic shit [23:50:03] my country enforced it even for international flights! [23:50:15] thankfully that president was impeached [23:51:45] 22 months and the borders are still closed!! [23:53:42] Sounds like you're frustrated by your country's measures. [23:54:23] yes, it's a dictatorship [23:54:41] pretty much like that. [23:55:01] you don't know what will the government do the next week, you are always afraid of a new lockdown [23:55:22] Sorry to hear it has been frustrating. What's the capacity like in your healthcare? [23:55:49] while you have to fight with paranoic people that don't even want to touch stuff [23:56:03] Healthcare in Latin America is very poor [23:57:01] Here, all decisions revolve somewhat around healthcare capacity, so as not to break the healthcare system. [23:57:26] I don't agree with public healthcare [23:57:43] Tintle: that isn’t a dictatorship [23:57:55] Well, I used to work in public healthcare 😆 [23:57:56] Otherwise the uks a dictatorship lol [23:59:10] By and large, most Canadians are pretty happy to have public healthcare. 🤷‍♀️ [23:59:34] Yes I’m happy to have the nhs (universal and public healthcare) [23:59:37] And this American is extremely jealous [23:59:40] It helps ensures that no one suffers undue hardship due to illness or expense