[00:39:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The Communist civil war is not actually over, it is now just a state of truce.
[00:40:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> This does not contribute to peace
[00:42:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> in fact we are much freer than Taiwan government has been in Mainland
[00:42:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> it is the truth
[00:43:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Chinese Mainland,Chinese Hong Kong and Chinese Taiwan
[00:45:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> In fact, ideology is not a big issue, and there has been no export revolution since Stalinism, so the so-called threat theory is really nonsense
[00:47:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Please let the people of eastern Ukraine gain their independence first
[00:49:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Please start by unfreezing Afghan assets and returning them to the government (Taliban) supported by the Afghan people. Please first lift the unreasonable sanctions against China so that Huawei can compete on a par with giants like Apple
[00:52:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Ukraine, which boasts of its freedom, cannot allow eastern Ukraine to become independent, while the West, which boasts of its freedom, cannot allow a private Chinese company to compete freely with Western capital. The US claims that it will take in Ukrainian refugees, how are those Ukrainian refugees going to get to the US? Do they swim there? By entering Western Europe and swimming across the At
[00:52:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> 
[00:52:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
[00:52:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Ukraine, which boasts of its freedom, cannot allow eastern Ukraine to become independent, while the West, which boasts of its freedom, cannot allow a private Chinese company to compete freely with Western capital. The US claims that it will take in Ukrainian refugees, how are those Ukrainian refugees going to get to the US? Do they swim there? By entering Western Europe and swimming across the At
[00:56:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> So why should China give up Taiwan, which took hundreds of years to operate before the Japanese occupied it? And Hong Kong, which has been on notice for over 2,000 years? We got Taiwan back at the negotiating table in World War II, we got Hong Kong back by amending the new treaty, Tibet was peacefully liberated by an agreement between the central government and the former local Tibetan government
[18:19:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Fan Formuły 1> I can confirm that Ukrainians are evacuating to Poland, as there are huge traffic jams on the Polish-Ukrainian border due to the escalation of the conflict with Russia. It was reported on television that more than 100 000 people have crossed the border into Poland since Russia's attack on all Ukrainian territory. I doubt that more than a few hundred of those 100,000 would target to the United States
[21:54:04] <darkmatterman450>	 TheresNoTime Congratulations on becoming a Wikimedia Steward again.
[21:54:13] <TheresNoTime>	 Thank you darkmatterman450! ^^
[21:58:11] <Sario>	 TheresNoTime: Congrats!
[21:58:26] <TheresNoTime>	 Thank you ^^
[22:00:28] <darkmatterman450>	 Yes, and the reason why I said again is because she **WAS** a Steward before her apparent resignation 2 years ago.
[22:01:33] <TheresNoTime>	 Indeed I was :) not much has changed
[22:03:53] <darkmatterman450>	 Oh, and she isn't the only one who's gotten the Steward flag. Vermont, AntiCompositeNumber, Hasley, and BRPever have received the same thing, with TheresNoTime getting it a second time. Once it was on, she was off like a rocket.
[22:04:49] <RhinosF1>	 well deserved to all
[22:05:40] <darkmatterman450>	 Well put RhinosF1. In fact, I was one of the voters who voted for TheresNoTime to be a Steward almost 2 weeks ago.
[22:07:00] <TheresNoTime>	 :3
[22:07:31] <darkmatterman450>	 TheresNoTime Nobody can stop you now with that amount of power.
[22:11:24] <RhinosF1>	 Steward is not a super power
[22:14:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> literally, anyone with tech access can stop a steward immediately :p
[22:15:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> more so than Miraheze it's also a position WM side that carries greater scrutiny and more opportunities to be replaced iirc
[22:15:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> though even on Miraheze it should be kept in perspective, ie, it should not be framed as power
[22:15:53] <Naleksuh>	 Yeah but people do it anyway
[22:17:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> some people will make a point of going after anyone with a perception of power in any case as well, so not to worry on the scrutiny
[22:18:37] <TheresNoTime>	 I certainly don't see it as "power" of any sort, its a responsibility
[22:19:27] <Naleksuh>	 Theresnotime Yes, people will treat it as power anyway
[22:19:42] <Naleksuh>	 And already have
[22:20:14] <Naleksuh>	 Look no further than March 2021 or later
[22:25:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> to some extent it offers 'power', which should be strictly contextualized to the responsibility it is given for
[22:25:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> anything outside of that is an abuse of power
[22:25:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> Couldn’t some dude just take that power?
[22:27:07] <Naleksuh>	 Unless you misuse the power
[22:27:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> It’s not really a power, more of a responsibility
[22:27:20] <Naleksuh>	 Like if you were to go onto a wiki you aren't a crat on and just start enabling extensions
[22:28:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> the use of words here is semantic
[22:29:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> it gives access most users don't/would never have, with the expectation of responsible use for the community's benefit
[22:29:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> typically in line with policies that indicate what they should be used for and how
[22:29:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Miraheze does have an issue in terms of setting those lines
[22:30:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> Bukkit for steward :MirahezeStewards: 
[22:30:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> I’ll blow up the servers :squint: 
[22:30:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> 
[22:30:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> I’ll lock everyone and disable account creation so no vandals :EpicFaceMH: :BanHammerMH:
[22:30:29] <Naleksuh>	 Yeah so it is only for highly trusted users except when users who aren't trusted get it
[22:30:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> if community consensus trusts them and a verbose minority do not, someone in that equation will get screwed
[22:31:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> Goes with almost everything
[22:31:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> and then anyone from sre will go 'wait, that's illegal' and throw a few lines into terminal to delete the day's history :p
[22:37:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheresNoTime> eh thankfully our SREs aren't prone to jumping in like that 😛
[22:37:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> So long as Stewards don't go and break everything, no :p
[22:38:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheresNoTime> fairly difficult to actually break things as a steward
[22:39:02] <Naleksuh>	 TheresNoTime, you have like 2 edits on Miraheze
[22:39:04] <Naleksuh>	 How would you know?
[22:39:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheresNoTime> Have you *actually checked* my contributions to Miraheze?
[22:39:50] <RhinosF1>	 the steward rights are fairly standard
[22:40:02] <Naleksuh>	 Yes, there's no page buttons due to having less than 50
[22:40:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheresNoTime> (not that I was talking about Miraheze anyway)
[22:40:10] <Naleksuh>	 You made one in 2021 and the one before that was 2017
[22:40:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Anyone is perfectly capable of also observing how the platform works, doesn't take much capacity to pull that off and understand how it operates
[22:40:27] <Naleksuh>	 Oh, guess TheresNoTime also need to update their user page....
[22:40:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> gatekeeping an input on current edits is silly and rather narrow sighted
[22:40:29] <Naleksuh>	 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DksOuSYy/image.png
[22:41:03] <Naleksuh>	 Raidarr, thanks for the observation. It doesn't apply in this case as no one was gatekeeping but it is a good lesson in general
[22:41:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheresNoTime> thanks for reminding me
[22:41:33] <Naleksuh>	 Be gay. Do crime.?
[22:41:42] <Naleksuh>	 Why are you telling people to do crime?
[22:42:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> It applied enough to me, thank you.
[22:48:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheresNoTime> I updated the page a little! 😄
[22:49:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheresNoTime> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/947264021575385098/unknown.png
[22:49:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> 10/10
[22:53:12] <Naleksuh>	 Okay, we are still encouraging people to do crime apparently
[22:54:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheresNoTime> In a very https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_anarchism way, yeah—"The slogan "Be gay, do crime" is an anti-capitalistic and anti-authoritarian statement" ✊
[22:54:13] <MirahezeBot>	 [wikipedia] Queer anarchism | "Queer anarchism, or anarcha-queer, is an anarchist school of thought that advocates anarchism and social revolution as a means of queer liberation and abolition of hierarchies such as homophobia, lesbophobia, transmisogyny, biphobia, transphobia, heteronormativity, patriarchy, and the gender binary.  People who campaigned for LGBT rights both outside and inside the anarchist and LGBT movements […]"
[22:55:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> do crime, support miraheze nfts
[22:55:21] <Naleksuh>	 Better ask Agent about that one
[22:55:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> both 100% serious, quote me on CN for the next report
[22:55:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I shall personally execute a global sitenotice and sell it as an NFT to FANDOM
[22:56:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Yes, Miraheze is slated to totally 1001% start selling NFTs
[22:56:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> We will sell Meta as an NFT first
[22:56:30] <Sario>	 Please tell me yall are joking
[22:56:43] <Naleksuh>	 But apparently TheresNoTime is working on stopping stalking meanwhile on Wikimedia there are actual stalkers
[22:56:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Sario: why would *I* be joking, I *never* joke
[22:57:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> (hint: most of my statements are sarcastic)
[22:57:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> If Sario is resisting, he too shall be sold as an NFT
[22:57:13] <Naleksuh>	 Fosshost would unironically make NFTs
[22:57:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> How about we don't ;)
[22:59:31] <Naleksuh>	 Agent, you discussed NFT before
[22:59:33] <Naleksuh>	 DId you stop?
[22:59:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> First Miraheze NFT
[22:59:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/947266724196143104/IMG_7405.png
[23:00:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> No screenshots please 📸 🚫
[23:00:13] <TheresNoTime>	 grr
[23:00:36] <Naleksuh>	 Except for the part where you took a screenshot of it...
[23:00:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Orduin> psh, who needs screenshots when I can just download the image
[23:01:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> Right-click + Save as
[23:02:04] <Naleksuh>	 Crypto nerds use apple mice....
[23:02:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Screenshotting doubles the value of an NFT, bonus points if you take a picture of a screenshot
[23:02:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> nft: screenshot of snipping tool
[23:02:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> checkmate
[23:05:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> Where was that on?
[23:05:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> Be gay. Do crime.
[23:06:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheresNoTime> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:TheresNoTime
[23:06:01] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] User:TheresNoTime - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[23:06:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> Ah.
[23:06:32] <Naleksuh>	 All of the userpage text was been removed
[23:06:35] <Naleksuh>	 And instead it says Be gay. Do crime. Stop stalking.
[23:08:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> Stand with Ukraine 🇺🇦
[23:08:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheresNoTime> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:TheresNoTime&oldid=1046091718 all my user pages had it at some point 🤷‍♀️
[23:08:46] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] User:TheresNoTime - Wikipedia | en.wikipedia.org
[23:10:24] <Naleksuh>	 TheresNoTime is from Ukraine?
[23:11:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> She is?
[23:11:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheresNoTime> (nope)
[23:12:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> i just realized that youre TheresNoTime
[23:13:21] <Naleksuh>	 TheresNoTime is TheresNoTime
[23:13:39] <Naleksuh>	 It took a team of 400 detectives but we found it
[23:15:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheresNoTime> Yes 😛
[23:15:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> I’m guessing that on irc you see it as TheresNoTime and not the nickname :p
[23:16:37] <TheresNoTime>	 (plus I'm here too)
[23:16:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> Irc and discord relay can be confusing
[23:17:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> the relay has changed to reflect proper discord username
[23:20:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Abolish IRC :P
[23:21:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> In the land of Anananai.
[23:22:29] <Naleksuh>	 Agent : Funny, I was thinking to myself "abolish Discord" but didn't say anything to not start drama
[23:22:37] <Naleksuh>	 But apparently, Agent wants to abolish IRC for some reason
[23:22:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You're not going to start drama for such a point lol
[23:23:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> of course, unless it's not a joke
[23:23:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> abolish internet
[23:23:17] <Naleksuh>	 Oh, it was a very non-joke
[23:23:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I mean, it wouldn't be the end of the world to 'abolish Discord' tbh
[23:23:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> another platform would just take its place, but still
[23:24:03] <Naleksuh>	 People have been taking Discords crap for a while now
[23:24:03] <Naleksuh>	 I deleted my Discord account on September 23rd 2021, my only regret is not having done it sooner. I should have done it in 2018
[23:31:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Dropping it for me is rather like why a lot of people can't drop facebook, too much connection that I can't simply tell to go use something else; not enough risk concern that I'd force the issue
[23:31:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> though in time I would like to drop it as well
[23:33:29] <Naleksuh>	 Most people who use Discord are not people you want to talk to 
[23:33:37] <Naleksuh>	 For me, it improved my life
[23:35:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I must say from time to time the feeling is mutual to IRC, so I may well be one of them
[23:35:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> Just wondering, what’s wrong with Discord
[23:35:18] <Naleksuh>	 What isn't wrong with Discord?
[23:35:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> inb4 privacy :P
[23:35:33] <Naleksuh>	 Yeah, that's one of many things
[23:35:41] <Naleksuh>	 Did you know that Discord's spyware output is larger than Google's?
[23:35:54] <Naleksuh>	 All requests to "science" are just for the purpose of tracking you and nothing else
[23:36:01] <Naleksuh>	 Discord collects enormous amount of data
[23:36:17] <Naleksuh>	 Even just the science is larger than the entire output of GA, much less all the other tracking requests
[23:36:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Sadly, at this point, what doesn't?
[23:36:31] <Naleksuh>	 Discord phones home about every 2-5 seconds, sometimes even faster up to multiple times per second
[23:36:37] <Naleksuh>	 Uh, a lot of stuff
[23:36:46] <Naleksuh>	 There is no service that tracks as much as Discord does
[23:36:56] <Naleksuh>	 Maybe TikTok I haven't looked into it
[23:55:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Those who went to America were screened intellectuals and wealthy businessmen, while what about the workers and farmers?