[00:30:13] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> According to official sources, there are foreign IPs (mainly US) controlling broilers in China to attack computers in Ukraine, Belarus and Russia, the Chinese government has dealt with this to the maximum extent possible and our international internet connection here is slowed down a lot by these people [00:31:24] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Hacking group that took down White House website in 2001 may intervene, government may shut down international network [00:33:30] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> There are also international columns currently arriving in the Donbass to fight for Ukraine against the European and American-backed neo-Nazi Ukraine (check out their awarding of Benjamin as a National Hero of Honour and their propagation of the early Soviet nationalist Petliura gang) [00:35:24] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I am a communist and Marxism actually wants socialist reform through peaceful means and also believes that forcibly importing revolution is detrimental to a country's revolution [00:38:39] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but all the wars are evil [00:39:06] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but all the wars are evil(except fight for more peace) [00:57:07] the one Nazi here is Putin [00:57:13] not the Ukrainian govt [04:18:52] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> no.Please find out about the position of Benjamin, who defected to Nazi Germany during World War II, in Ukraine, and please find out about the Azov battalion, and please find out who the international columns supporting the democratically elected government of Spain against Franco supported. [04:22:05] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The media are deceiving the Western public by constantly stirring up interstate rivalries at the behest of governments in order to weaken or even cover up inter- or intra-ethnic rivalries without actually resolving them [04:22:29] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Nazis are everywhere [04:23:51] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The Americans don't want Europe to overtake the US, so time and time again they prevent Russia from befriending the EU, time and time again they provoke wars, time and time again they try to restrict European economic development, while the Europeans still trust the US [04:24:49] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Ukraine [04:26:12] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> And they are trying to force China to take sides, but if China does, then World War III will break out [04:28:11] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> There is a Chinese joke: I cursed "bastard" in Japanese in the streets of Taipei and everyone knelt down and called me dad. I was puzzled and said back in American English, "Why?" So everyone kowtowed and called me grandpa. [04:29:05] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> It is advisable to read the Communist Manifesto, co-authored by Marx and Engels, in which the answers to certain events of the present can still be found [04:37:22] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/628942394896678912/946775092384374895/IMG_9026.jpg [04:37:23] [discord] @城市酸儒文人挖坑 No links allowed. [04:38:01] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/952062890280632360/IMG_9026-4.jpg [04:42:35] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Americans (especially the bourgeoisie) do not see democracy, only profit, otherwise they would not have supported the far-right overthrow of the Yanukšević government in Ukraine, nor would Pinochet have staged a coup to overthrow the democratically elected Allende government in Chile, nor would Franco have won the Spanish Civil War [07:01:41] [discord] I know this is an off-topic channel, but I would refrain from sending tons of messages to which no one is responding to, outside of a conversation with someone. [10:32:33] [discord] same [11:34:58] [discord] @城市酸儒文人挖坑🇨🇳🇲🇴🇭🇰 please use .auth to post links [11:36:12] [discord] but no spamming links [12:28:34] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> sorry [16:41:36] Tintle Corbyn is no longer a Labour MP, was suspended by Keir and he has no chance of ever being a labour mp again [16:42:05] corbyn sealed that by going to stop the war protests (which spread russian propaganda) and also won't apologise for his posts regarding the EHRC [20:55:06] hugh? raidarr on IRC? [20:55:06] that's interesting :p [20:55:59] fascinating [20:57:37] Hey raidarr [20:59:01] truly amazing [21:03:45] 👋 [21:12:38] lol [21:13:03] hi RhinosF1 [21:25:51] here lands a wild dmehus lol [22:20:38] paladox: EHRC? what does it mean? [22:21:00] Tintle: Equality and Human Rights Commission [22:21:23] Ah [22:21:36] and MP? [22:21:40] sorry I'm not British [22:22:19] well, neither are you, but you live there [22:22:49] Member of parliament [22:23:04] thank you [22:23:19] anyway, congrats to the Labour Party for suspending him [22:23:53] he should no longer be a member of a democratic and traditional party [22:24:14] nor anyone that has strong ties to chavismo and is pretending to be a satellite [22:24:26] Corbyn is married to a Mexican girl [22:24:32] afaik [23:07:19] ugochimobi, lol [23:07:52] dmehus: welcome back anyway [23:07:57] thanks :) [23:08:11] Is Corbyn still an MP in the HoC? [23:08:22] I can't remember if he ran again in the last election [23:09:03] yes he is [23:09:07] but is an independent [23:09:21] he can run at the next election but he cannot be a labour mp [23:09:31] so has to run as an independent [23:09:54] paladox, ah [23:12:45] I actually agree with his statement. I'm not normally one to agree with Corbyn on many social policies, but on this, I do agree that NATO is either (a) anachronistic, (b) duplicative, or (c) both A and B, as an international war-focused organization. It dramatically expanded its mandate with the ISAF that funded and continued the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan. I do agree Russia is right to be concerned with eastward expansion of such an [23:12:45] organization [23:13:15] Meanwhile, it wastes countries' money on fancy new Brussels headquarters buildings :( [23:15:21] In other words, the U.S. couldn't get the U.N. to sanction its nation building and colonial expansion of Afghanistan, so it turned to NATO to do that, with the creation of ISAF [23:27:55] wat [23:28:06] I'm so glad we have NATO [23:33:24] paladox, why? what has NATO done that has been positive, post-1991? [23:33:38] but what's the matter if they have no interest in Kaliningrad takeover... [23:33:41] largest peace project in the world [23:33:42] also [23:33:51] they must invade Russia and show Putin who's the boss [23:33:56] If you saw Putins speech a few weeks ago when he annouced his war [23:34:01] but what do they do? Nothing! [23:34:05] They are all fucking cowards [23:34:08] largest peace project in the world? [23:34:09] he basically said Ukraine doesn't have sovereighty [23:34:13] Tintle: exactly [23:34:17] he's united the whole world against him [23:34:22] we will lose democracy and freedom to China and Russia, they will be the owners of this world [23:34:41] We can't have peace when there is a threaten [23:34:43] Finland considering nato membership now [23:34:55] what will they do? reject [23:34:56] paladox, that may be, but that isn't thanks to NATO at all. that's thanks to the world uniting in their opposition regardless of NATO [23:34:58] Switzerland neutrality over now [23:35:09] Germany as well [23:35:11] Neutrality => being accomplice of Putin [23:35:31] invading Kaliningrad is so easy [23:35:32] you cannot be neutral of defences [23:35:35] like Corbyn wants [23:35:56] Corbyn is probably Putin's puppet [23:36:16] just like boris [23:36:19] but how we can it justify the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan while at the same time condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine? [23:36:20] story broke tonight [23:36:24] no, I don't believe that [23:36:30] boris is a threat to our national security [23:36:31] despite I don't like BoJo [23:36:34] a story broke last night [23:36:38] he was a total fraud [23:36:47] about him overuiling our national security service [23:36:51] he broke his own covid mandates [23:36:51] with regards to the russians [23:37:01] The U.S. Afghanistan mission should've NOT been about regime change, but rather targeted airstrikes of al Al-Qaeda sites, not Taliban government sites [23:37:38] One day Putin will attack Poland [23:37:41] then Germany... [23:37:47] I don't think so. [23:37:50] next will be NL [23:37:51] He's not suicidal. [23:37:57] Poland != Ukraine [23:38:02] then Belgium... France... Spain... even Portugal [23:38:06] but there is no brake... [23:38:26] he can do the same with Poland and the West will still behave like fucking cowards [23:38:30] there's no way he's making it that far [23:38:30] Ukraine has been a politically corrupt economic basket case. Poland is definitely no Ukraine [23:38:39] dude, I know about geopolitics [23:38:47] and I don't think Putin has his limits [23:39:10] s/his limits/limits [23:39:10] Tintle meant to say: and I don't think Putin has limits [23:39:17] except China.. [23:39:49] 18<dmehus18> but how we can it justify the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan while at the same time condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine? [23:39:59] Because they brought a teensy tiny level of freedom [23:40:17] until they didn't and it was all for naught :) [23:40:18] unlike what Putin tries to do with Ukraine, he wants to restore Yanuković govt [23:40:41] which will be Putin's puppet [23:40:45] a new Lukashenko [23:41:02] If the Ukraine government had allowed the population of Donetsk, etc. to leave the Ukraine, I don't think we'd be seeing any invasion of Ukraine [23:41:18] I support US invasion of Afghanistan, and any other country that is already invaded by Russia or China [23:41:29] like, Venezuela, Cuba or Nicaragua... even North Korea [23:41:34] dmehus: lol [23:41:39] that's blantently not true [23:41:49] sorry dmehus, but I'm with paladox on this one [23:41:49] paladox, how so? [23:42:00] Putin does not want to have a border with the EU [23:42:02] and people in that region wern't as pro russian as some were portraying [23:42:18] and they are even less pro russian now because of russia invading lol [23:42:23] did you not watch putins speech [23:42:31] where he declared ukraine isn't soverign? [23:42:36] Ukranians were 40% pro-Moscow, and 40% pro-Brussels [23:42:42] he was talking about history [23:42:49] I think there are fewer pro-Russians now [23:42:59] russia lost a pro russian govt during the 2014 uprising [23:43:07] Well, I don't necessarily believe the western media, either. What they should've allowed is a free and fair referendum, internationally supervised, on a clear question to separate from the Ukraine [23:43:12] Putin wants a neo-fascist Soviet Union... [23:43:20] western media are free. [23:43:47] That's debatable. :P [23:43:50] dmehus: I believe in self determination, but we should follow Constitucional principles [23:43:51] No it isn't [23:43:55] it's free full stop [23:43:57] s/cional/tional [23:43:57] Tintle meant to say: dmehus: I believe in self determination, but we should follow Constitutional principles [23:44:07] regardless of if they have biases, they are still free [23:44:21] and you have many news providers left - right not controlled by govts [23:44:28] But "free" isn't the issue; bias is [23:44:37] Not really [23:44:49] russian media only allowed to spread what the russian govt says lol [23:44:56] ^^ [23:45:03] their last independent media provider closed a week ago [23:45:07] because it was forced to [23:45:14] the Spanish version of RT is just communist propaganda [23:45:23] russia literally created a law that stated if you called it a war you can go to jail for 15 years [23:45:38] Russia isn't communist fyi [23:45:40] Russian television have no interest in showing why their model is better than ours [23:45:43] hasn't been for many decades [23:45:57] The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, though not editorially controlled by the Canadian government, implicitly has a bias/tilt in its coverage to mirror the view of the incumbent government. [23:46:05] That's a problem. [23:46:07] yes, but it supports communist governments in Asia and Latin America, dmehus [23:46:21] 20<Tintle>30 Russian television have no interest in showing why their model is better than ours [23:46:21] It supports dictatorships [23:46:27] anything that is anti western it supports [23:46:28] they just want to divide us [23:46:47] they want us to fight against each other [23:46:53] "divide and win" [23:48:20] we banned RT here two weeks ago [23:48:35] was removed from sky and freeview [23:48:39] youtube also banning rt [23:48:49] nice [23:49:02] just need the uk to declare RT a security threat and have its url blocked [23:49:42] about English version of RT... I don't know if they're socialist or right-wing or whatever... [23:49:49] German version of RT is neonazi [23:49:52] they are what ever the govt tells them [23:49:57] so capitalist or socialist [23:49:57] Spanish version is socialist [23:50:00] they don't care [23:50:05] it's what ever is anti western [23:50:19] Arabic version probably supports islamic terrorism [23:50:34] The French version probably supports socialism too... [23:50:59] again it's not left or right [23:51:05] it's owned by the russian goverment [23:51:15] it's what ever they are told to report on by the govt [23:51:30] Kremlin obviously has strict control over them [23:51:36] through RIA Novosti [23:52:29] dmehus: may I ask where are you from? [23:53:06] Tintle: Canada [23:53:20] I don't like Trudeau's government... [23:53:34] me either :) [23:53:46] it's an ethically and morally bankrupt government [23:53:51] past its shelf life [23:54:00] But you can get rid of him through free elections [23:54:06] there are no free elections in Russia [23:54:31] Tintle: sort of, but not really [23:54:52] His government won the last election with 15%, or less, of the popular support [23:55:03] because vote is not mandatory? [23:55:19] they use FPTP [23:55:34] though much prefer his govt then the conservatives [23:55:43] If he'd carried through with his 2015 promise to bring in proportional representation, their seat share and de facto control of the Commons, he would not be able to govern as if he had a majority [23:55:46] no idea about the other party... [23:55:53] i'd probably vote for the liberals if i was in canada [23:55:56] I don't know much about Canadian politics [23:56:04] NDP is a centre left party [23:56:05] paladox, I'd prefer a coalition government [23:56:09] don't even know if all liberals agree with Trudeau [23:56:19] the progressive conservative party is the conservative party [23:56:33] dunno why it has progress in it, conservative by definition are not progressive [23:56:34] but I don't like the pandemic being handled as a punishment for healthy people [23:56:37] the Conservatives struggle with no vision and weak leadership [23:56:59] the NDP has a vision, but no plan to pay for it and a leader more interested in TikTok followers [23:57:15] i will never vote for a party again if it goes into coalition with the conservatives. [23:57:21] tbh, the Bloc Quebecois leader is the best leader, federally speaking, we have [23:57:36] paladox, so no Lib Dems? [23:57:50] yeh i bring that up to lib dems [23:57:53] also I've been told that Trudeau has been giving a lot of money to the media [23:58:11] so most of the media agree with him.. well, sort of [23:58:16] i will never ever ever ever vote lib dems [23:58:30] I have a friend living in Vancouver so.. [23:58:44] i know someone who lives in vacouver [23:58:47] paladox, that's fair. The Lib Dems aren't ideologically equivalent to Canada's NDP, but they do waffle back and forth a lot [23:58:48] they voted liberals [23:59:06] NDP are basically labour [23:59:11] i don't really like their leader [23:59:27] for the record, I'm still a registered Liberal federally. I like the party, potentially, but cannot vote for it while Trudeau remains leader [23:59:36] also, the Liberal Party -according to Trudeau's government, only judging by it- does not seem liberal at all.... it's progressive