[04:08:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Hmm since the last time I ask if it is possible to hv a server in Guilded was rejected, is it possible to hv a Miraheze server on Revolt.chat ?
[04:15:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Like an official Miraheze server?
[04:31:13] <dmehus>	 .tell darkmatterman450 Good luck on your job interview :)
[04:31:14] <MirahezeBot>	 dmehus: I'll pass that on when darkmatterman450 is around.
[05:34:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Yes. As a second official server after this Discord
[05:34:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Since Miraheze is open source and Revolt too, maybe you guys could support Revolt too. Open Source project help Open source project.
[05:35:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> If we reach a sizable user base there then I see why not
[05:37:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> like how much?
[05:38:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> And you mean in Revolt? (how could you reach a sizeable members in Revolt if you doesn’t hv a server LOL)
[05:38:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> maybe 50-100 users?
[05:39:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Well I mean if we have a sizable amount of Miraheze users on there then we can definitely make a server
[05:39:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but if it's just going to be like 3 people in there then we're probably going to suffer chronic inactivity and potential lack of moderation
[05:39:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Well I on Revolt at least. But my acc is pretty old lol. Multiple months alr since it still a new beta project.
[05:40:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> anyone else?
[05:40:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Miraheze could grows as it go
[05:54:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> so we needed to wait until there are some people on it?
[08:57:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> QQ also has channels now(like discord)
[08:57:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> if we want to chat with you
[08:57:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> we should use IRC or discord
[08:58:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but the government banned discord
[08:58:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so we have to use vpn
[08:58:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> or edit the hosts.txt
[08:58:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> if we want use IRC
[08:58:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> there is recaptcha
[08:59:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> the government banned google.com too
[08:59:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and we aren't used to use IRC
[08:59:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so I think it is important to make a qq channel
[09:00:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> or use Kaiheila at least
[09:01:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> this is the screen shot of QQ channels
[09:01:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/956477772061093928/Screenshot_20220324_170018_com.tencent.mobileqq.jpg
[09:01:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> of my wiki
[09:03:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and it is supporting pc now
[09:05:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> You can use this QR code to participate in the channel internal test, if the display is not in the test area, just hang a VPN to China (I also have the relevant node)
[09:05:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/956478814911873104/qq_guild_qrcode1648112626648.jpg
[09:08:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> the qq international url|international.qq.com/html/download/download.html
[09:09:01] <RhinosF1>	 We aren't going to have a Miraheze QQ
[09:10:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> QQ mobile(iOS Android HarmonyOS Windows Phone) and QQ PC(Windows Marcos Linux)Don't Download From Google Play
[09:10:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> im.qq.com/
[09:11:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Google Play takes up a relatively small amount of storage, but it lacks many features
[09:12:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Linux only support Ubuntu deepin and kirin
[10:04:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> QQ mobile(iOS Android HarmonyOS Windows Phone) and QQ PC(Windows Macos Linux)Don't Download From Google Play (edited)
[10:26:17] <darkmatterman450>	 My job interview is finally today, and it will be at 10:00AM, but I have to be there at 9:45AM, as I have to be 15 minutes early.
[11:14:21] <ugochimobi>	 yeah, that's be better
[11:44:44] <RhinosF1>	 darkmatterman450: good look
[11:44:49] <RhinosF1>	 .time darkmatterman450
[11:44:49] <MirahezeBot>	 RhinosF1: Could not find a timezone for this nick. darkmatterman450 can set a timezone with `.settz <zone>`
[11:44:52] <RhinosF1>	 :(
[11:51:26] <ugochimobi>	 Lol, he hadn't set it
[11:51:59] <ugochimobi>	 I think many of us never knew that; I didn't but not until Sario showed me
[11:52:26] <ugochimobi>	 s/he hadn't/he hasn't
[11:52:27] <MirahezeBot>	 ugochimobi meant to say: Lol, he hasn't set it
[12:05:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> this is the same if not a worse issue than guilded
[12:06:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Why?
[12:08:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> in every case there are two issues; 1, you can absolutely make what you like (ideally stipulating unofficial), but for something to be official it should be in the hands of elected volunteers, technical volunteers or the board, or there is a distinct access control problem that restricts its ability to become official unless it is relinquished unconditionally to such a person when it has the chance to become offi
[12:09:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> A miraheze QQ is more likely since that platform is far more relevant, but there are enough reservations among volunteers that it is unlikely to happen anyway.
[12:16:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Fine……….
[12:47:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> OK
[12:47:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but it is better soon
[12:47:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I will say it in the community notice board
[12:51:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> same issues as above do apply, but in all cases you can still give it a go
[12:51:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> It is possible to interconnect between QQ and DC via bots, but it is best not to interconnect this channel as it often has sensitive topics and often the conversation turns into a fight over political views
[12:52:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> The sensitivity of what may or may not be said which is permitted to be discussed by Miraheze but not on QQ is part of why Miraheze has little intention of obliging QQ tbh
[12:53:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> If it can't be official, I would consider making it spontaneous or semi-official
[12:53:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> In that case being permanently unofficial may be for the best
[12:53:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> or having a single QQ relay on the side
[12:54:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> in fact I think having that relay might be reasonable
[12:54:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Unofficially not the best, as QQ can also be used as a registration channel to deal with potential users who are unable to register an account because of recaptcha
[12:55:17] <RhinosF1>	 I assume to relay we'd need a server in China though
[12:55:21] <RhinosF1>	 We don't have that
[12:56:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[12:58:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> NO SG is OK
[12:59:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I think the semi-official nature is the best
[12:59:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and there is a sever in Singapore
[13:02:01] <RhinosF1>	 Miraheze doesn't offer servers in Singapore anymore
[13:02:04] <RhinosF1>	 Hasn't for a while
[13:02:17] <RhinosF1>	 Any the bridge bot is operated by a separate entity
[13:02:36] <RhinosF1>	 Bots is only in London
[13:04:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I remember mh has a before
[13:04:33] <RhinosF1>	 Yes but no longer
[13:05:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so it turn to France and Canada instead of SG?
[13:05:39] <RhinosF1>	 UK & Canada
[13:05:47] <RhinosF1>	 mhbridgebot is in the UK
[13:05:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> QQ has severs in Europe
[13:06:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> for QQ international
[13:06:13] <RhinosF1>	 So where can you actually access QQ from?
[13:06:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and QQ
[13:06:17] <RhinosF1>	 That would work in China
[13:06:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> everywhere
[13:08:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/956540092195930152/SVID_20220324_210713_1.mp4
[13:09:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> at least South Korea is OK
[13:09:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> US may be not
[13:10:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Avengium (Ángel)> Including a QQ relay might be benefical to communicate with our friends at qq
[13:11:07] <RhinosF1>	 https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/issues/28#issuecomment-1077610347
[13:11:09] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Other bridges ? · Issue #28 · 42wim/matterbridge · GitHub | github.com
[13:11:12] <RhinosF1>	 It isn't supported yet
[13:11:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> In fact, the Chinese Wikipedia is carrying out the interconnection of TG and QQ
[13:11:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> hmm
[13:12:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> QQ seems to have a channel bot development tool
[13:13:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://github.com/koishijs/koishi-plugin-dcqq-relay
[13:13:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dyno> @城市酸儒文人挖坑 No links allowed.
[13:13:34] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] GitHub - koishijs/koishi-plugin-dcqq-relay: 使用koishi实现同步Discord与QQ间的消息 | github.com
[13:13:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://github.com/OasisAkari/Discord-QQ-Msg-Relay
[13:13:54] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] GitHub - OasisAkari/Discord-QQ-Msg-Relay: 将Discord和QQ的消息相互转发 | github.com
[13:13:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dyno> @城市酸儒文人挖坑 No links allowed.
[13:13:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> here
[13:19:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Avengium (Ángel)> The link is not clickable
[13:25:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Also for any circumstances, I not joining a QQ group. The way for joining it is too unrealistic. (it mean buying a China phone number just to join that single group. Wechat exist anyway)
[13:39:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> is it possible for me to set up an unofficial Revolt server for Miraheze too?
[14:07:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> You could if you wish
[14:17:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheBurningPrincess> Well... even non offical servers for Miraheze are good, I would support them
[14:34:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> I actually just needed a few experienced user in the server to help out with Miraheze related stuff only 😅. That what I really want then having it being official.
[14:37:33] <Guest51>	 well
[14:51:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> trouble is that I'm fairly open to platforms, but am already on a few too many >.>
[14:51:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> the chances of I (thus, others) regularly checking yet another is a bit of a problem, though I suppose I could try
[14:52:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> looks like an alternate matrix client
[14:53:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> beta as well
[15:05:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> I just got back from my job interview, and I'm proud to say that I got the job. But I'll be hearing back from which 2 positions I'll be doing.
[15:09:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> excellent
[15:09:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I'm thankful for surge protectors now :p
[15:26:25] <ugochimobi>	 @DarkMatterBladeMan4000 nice to hear that, congrats
[19:43:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <FrozenPlum> Congrats! 🥳
[19:47:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> Thank you.
[20:29:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> congradulations
[20:29:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> congratulations (edited)
[21:07:02] <ugochimobi>	 chrs: commonswiki's AF is a bad boy
[21:08:04] <chrs>	 ugochimobi: yeah that's utterly unneccessary
[21:08:43] <ugochimobi>	 chrs: I was also trying to change the content model of usertalk and it pushed me on my head
[21:08:55] <chrs>	 going to ask for that filter to be disabled
[21:09:26] <ugochimobi>	 that's too restrictive, plus, I don't even like the fact that all talk pages are having the flow-board content model
[21:09:36] <ugochimobi>	 chrs: yeah
[21:09:48] <chrs>	 ugochimobi: thought on starting a discussion/rfc on disabling flow by default?
[21:09:58] <chrs>	 *thoughts
[21:10:17] <ugochimobi>	 chrs: I have same thoughts
[21:10:23] <ugochimobi>	 I was going to say that
[21:12:20] <ugochimobi>	 chrs: because, for example, there are some scripts/tools that preloads notices/templates/messages into talk pages, they won't work because it's not possible with flow-board CM
[21:12:53] <chrs>	 that's a nice strong reason
[21:13:25] <chrs>	 i'd personally say that this only needs a discussion on the Community noticeboard
[21:13:32] <chrs>	 you want to start it?
[21:13:57] <chrs>	 it'd probably be best to outright disable flow if at all possible
[21:16:17] <ugochimobi>	 chrs: yeah, I will post on CN
[21:16:33] <chrs>	 sounds good
[21:30:20] <chrs>	 I absolutely love how the combination of flow + that abuse filter required me to use the API to create a normal talk page
[21:31:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> YO LETS GOO
[21:31:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> Congrats dude
[21:34:49] <ugochimobi>	 chrs: lol, yeah
[21:34:51] <ugochimobi>	 https://commons.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Commons:Community_noticeboard#StructuredDiscussion_as_a_barrier_in_some_instances
[21:34:52] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Miraheze Commons:Community noticeboard - Miraheze Commons | commons.miraheze.org
[21:42:06] <ugochimobi>	 chrs: would a sitenotice do? regarding the discussion? 
[21:42:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I've asked for Flow to be disabled and have been previously rejected by a bureaucrat
[21:43:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> would like to see it go
[21:44:18] <chrs>	 Agent: where?
[21:45:42] * ugochimobi would like to know too?
[21:45:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> In private, I asked a Commons bureaucrat who declined the request saying they liked Flow
[21:46:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> ah
[21:46:32] <ugochimobi>	 welp, issues like this shouldn't be treated by the likes on a user
[21:46:43] <ugochimobi>	 when there are other users affected.
[21:46:54] <chrs>	 agreed, that's not something that gets decided in private
[21:47:13] <chrs>	 or gets decided unilaterally (barring the initial status quo)
[21:47:13] <ugochimobi>	 s/the like on/the likes of
[21:47:28] <ugochimobi>	 yeah
[21:47:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> A lot of issues behind the scenes are decided behind closed doors :P
[21:47:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but I'd love to see Flow go
[21:48:08] <ugochimobi>	 @Agent: lol
[21:48:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> that extension is a mess
[21:58:49] <chrs>	 ugochimobi: note that you should do `UTCLiveClock-pagestyles` along with `UTCLiveClock` as a gadget, as it's a `peer` of the gadget
[21:59:26] <ugochimobi>	 chrs: oh, let me look
[22:00:55] <chrs>	 `peer`s of a gadget are css styles that load earlier than the gadget, it's generally for adding space for the gadget to appear early on, right as the page loads, so you don't get any jumping around when the gadget loads
[22:01:05] <chrs>	 also by major restyles like night mode in gadget form
[22:01:44] <ugochimobi>	 chrs: yeah, that's correct
[23:10:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> GV is enough