[00:35:04] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> thanks [00:59:04] [discord] Hi [03:11:18] @Orduin, did you get @RhinosF1's message about voting in the FOSSBots Limited agreement approval? [03:11:42] Agent: can you ping Orduin on Discord for me, just want to make sure he gets one more notification :) [03:13:36] [discord] @Orduin ^ [03:17:19] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Miraheze_official_QQ_groups_or_channel [03:17:21] [url] Requests for Comment/Miraheze official QQ groups or channel - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [03:17:33] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> welcome to discuss [03:46:36] Agent: thanks :) [04:41:44] <@192366908098478090> [04:42:01] so we can send pings to discord that way [05:52:02] [discord] I just insert my opinion. Although I did took a different approach to it which might sound rude, it is the truth. [05:53:05] [discord] There still 开黑, Wechat and etc. But only QQ block our phone number. If we going to hv one, I not joining or helping. [06:08:56] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I don't know [06:09:12] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> maybe you can download a QQ international? [06:09:18] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> not QQ [06:09:37] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and QQ... [06:09:52] [discord] No………. [06:09:58] [discord] I couldn’t [06:10:24] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> If it weren't for the lack of suitable alternatives and the huge social network above, we would have switched to something else [06:10:35] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> TIM？ [06:10:43] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> use your Wechat [06:10:49] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> to log in [06:11:25] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Tim is the corporate version of QQ [06:13:27] [discord] QQ international is not available in the app store in IOS. So I couldn’t download it [06:13:39] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> hmm？ [06:13:57] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I could see it in APP store china [06:14:19] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> or use computer [06:14:32] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/957885381469175858/IMG_8762.png [06:14:39] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> the Chinese is QQ国际版 [06:14:51] [discord] Unless it not available inside Malaysia or else it should appear [06:15:36] [discord] It show QQ as first and then TIM. But I never hear of TIM, I needed to check first for safety reasons [06:15:55] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> by Tencent? [06:16:01] [discord] Yes [06:16:02] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> the Tim [06:16:09] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> it is safe [06:16:20] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I use it in old phones [06:17:42] [discord] Hmm I try to download it [06:23:56] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> or use computer by browser [06:25:15] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/957888080763818034/Screenshot_20220328_142505_com.android.chrome.jpg [06:25:26] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> @Jst Tan [06:26:54] [discord] I could once I figure out how to use pinyin (and don’t mention, I only know how to write and bad at pinyin) on Mac 🤣🤣 [06:27:08] [discord] that why I keep choosing the mobile way, cause mobile handwriting is a lot better [06:27:46] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> in settings [06:27:50] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> language [06:28:10] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> or download a pinyin keyboard [06:28:13] [discord] I still figuring it out even through I using Mac for a few months now after switching to Mac from Windows [06:28:30] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> such as sogou qq xunfei [06:28:57] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Windows just need a keyboard [06:29:40] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> a simulator keyboard [06:29:49] [discord] It is possible but it kinda better to use mobile. But let me test if it work on desktop [06:30:21] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> you can also download wifimouse [06:30:51] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> than,u can use mobile to operate [06:31:31] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and I found two people who can speak Chinese speaking English here [06:31:36] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> my English... [06:32:07] [discord] Oh stupid………… first, the mobile app is not available in our region. And next, it doesn’t have desktop app. How am I gonna use it? By imagination? Or by hacking? [06:32:09] [discord] 🤣 [06:32:45] [discord] and it actually think my mac is mobile 🤣🤣🤣🤣. [06:33:37] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> do you have a windows computer [06:33:52] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> (over Windows XP) [06:34:17] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> use Windows computer [06:35:53] [discord] no [06:36:10] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Mac is OK [06:36:32] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> im.qq.com [06:36:36] [discord] My parents have one and my old one are. But it as slow as a turtle, took more then 10+ minutes to just turn on [06:36:57] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so you can turn on one? [06:37:22] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> is there a chrome or Firefox in your old one? [06:37:38] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> 10+ minutes? [06:38:16] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> my ten year old Samsung is nearly [06:38:31] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> or use your mobile [06:38:41] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> change the UA to computer [06:38:56] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and visit im.qq.com [06:38:57] [discord] and here it goes again......... [06:39:17] [discord] Your mobile phone number is a security risk, please go to mobile QQ to register. [06:39:18] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> if it is too slow [06:39:50] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> how about in app? [06:40:02] [discord] that why I oppose, cause it keep popping this error when I didn't use QQ before (except for sign up sometimes ago which pop the same error [06:40:13] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Do you have a real name for your mobile phone number? [06:40:52] [discord] what real name? [06:41:11] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Real names may be required, as they facilitate alerting users to the risk of fraud [06:41:23] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> for your mobile phone [06:42:31] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> for your mobile phone number (edited) [06:43:08] [discord] I didn't insert my real name into it. And I don't felt the needs too [06:45:06] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Used to flag scams and prevent offending account waistcoats (but Tencent shouldn't be able to pull the information ah) [06:50:06] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/957894332076130324/IMG_8763.png [06:50:44] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> [[Wikipedia:zh:WP:QQ{] [06:50:51] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> [[Wikipedia:zh:WP:QQ]] (edited) [06:50:51] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wikipedia:zh:WP:QQ [06:51:19] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> 国际版下载链接上面有 [06:51:46] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> 用微信？图片dc下载有点慢 [06:53:22] [discord] On desktop or mobile, or show the same and it doesn’t said “Real name required” when signing up. It is clearly not allowing Southeast Asia country in. [06:53:22] [discord] [06:53:24] [discord] That why I oppose. If it going to block us, why should we use it when there are alternative? Remember, they blocking the 3rd largest population region as fraud. By only blocking Malaysia, it saying a country with population bigger then Australia are all security risk. [06:53:25] [discord] [06:53:26] [discord] @Agent, I hope you could check the proof I provided. [06:54:20] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> hmm,but some people in Malaysia can [06:54:43] @Jst Tan, I'm afraid I don't really follow your argument [06:54:48] [discord] and also per @城市酸儒文人挖坑🇨🇳🇲🇴🇭🇰 suggestion, the international app isn’t available in this region. [06:54:48] [discord] [06:54:49] [discord] Also by everyone opinion of lack of volunteer, there likely will if they blocking both largest speaking population group (outside of Taiwan and China) for accessing it. [06:54:52] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> you can search for the information in zhihu or baidu [06:55:29] [discord] Yes, I know some that use it by buying China phone number or QQ acc, but it is against their tos. Ofc they can but I not doing stuff that against their TOS and illegal stuff [06:55:32] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Taiwan is OK [06:56:21] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Officially acquiescent, and officially doing it [06:56:56] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> And it's not illegal, and even if it is, it's not your business. [06:57:16] [discord] sure, but do not expect any Malaysian/Indonesian or any Southeast Asia countries people to help if on QQ. Wechat is accessible here and many of my friends, classmates and etc using it sometimes while playing games. [06:58:02] [discord] It not my business, but I not gonna to take it as legal at least. We shouldn’t recommended other to do stuff that is illegal/against other TOS [06:58:44] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Due to WeChat's surprising optimization and the Chinese version's repeated personal information on the phone, the storage can be up to 64G, I usually don't use it unless I'm paying with it [06:59:23] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> WeChat's domestic version is so much worse than the international version [07:07:34] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://ssl.zc.qq.com/phone/index.html [07:07:37] [url] QQ注册 | ssl.zc.qq.com [07:07:45] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> try to use it by mobile [07:07:53] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> try to use it by computer (edited) [07:07:57] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> @Jst Tan [07:08:36] [discord] Now I really sus if this app is legitimate. [07:08:54] [discord] I just did that minutes ago and you ask me to do it again? [07:10:36] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> it is by the Tencent official's way [07:10:56] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> zc.qq.com [07:11:41] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/957899764542889985/Screenshot_20220328_151128_com.android.chrome.jpg [07:11:44] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> this page [07:13:06] [discord] I tried it alr [07:13:08] [discord] and it doesn’t work. [07:13:36] [discord] This is the first racism app I ever seen. [07:14:49] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> use mobile or computer or both? [07:19:20] [discord] I did tried both [11:05:33] [discord] I just have to complain about this out of the blue [11:05:34] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/957958621721944064/unknown.png [11:05:47] [discord] guess what group the ability to edit the interface was in on some wikis I'm working on right now [11:06:32] * [11:06:36] [discord] close [11:06:39] [discord] autoconfirmed [11:07:13] seriously [11:07:19] [discord] along with private abusefilter logs and some moderation tools, yeah [11:07:30] Private AF logs are meh [11:07:35] [discord] I'm trying to avoid cancer, but the radiation is absolutely everywhere [11:07:44] We've banned quite a few things from * for being insane [11:08:03] [discord] the rights setup on these wikis are absolutely insane [11:08:10] [discord] I'm glad when the rights are merely redundant [11:09:29] ipbe got banned from * [11:09:40] For being added by a wiki to evade a ToU ban [11:10:19] [discord] oh boi [11:10:35] RhinosF1 Oh, I see. [11:10:41] [discord] typically I'm not even worried about deliberate use of rights assignment [11:10:46] [discord] it's incompetent assignment that scares me [11:11:22] [discord] at best someone castrates their managewiki access, at worst autoconfirmed users can edit the wiki interface apparently [11:14:34] That's quite bad [11:14:45] Certain interface messages have many XSS issues [11:15:12] My email gets a fairly steady stream of XSS reports [11:15:40] The fewer people that can edit, the lower risk [11:15:54] raidarr: ^ [11:16:00] [discord] I'm just glad I'm catching access control issues before a civilian fumbles with the nukes [11:16:08] yeah [11:16:13] We can ManageWiki from * [11:16:16] I believe [11:16:24] Pretty sure that's also after an incident [11:16:24] [discord] that would be terrifying tbh [11:16:45] It gave stewards a fair bit to clean up [11:16:58] When someone got annoyed and went round and wrecked someone's wiki [11:17:08] by using ManageWiki [11:17:28] [discord] at some point I imagine that wiki would have to just be rolled back at a technical level [11:17:51] Nah [11:18:00] Stewards had to give a lot of people their rights back [11:18:08] And lock an account [11:18:27] [discord] Not familiar with a proper reset button or method aside from loading up a 'fresh' wiki or going through logs to find what was previous or default [11:19:04] Sysadmins can roll back ManageWiki permissions [11:19:10] To default [11:19:41] A fun one to fix is overriding core namespaces [11:19:56] Also when people make themselves a system account [11:19:56] [discord] oh dear, I can already imagine how that could become a disaster [11:20:11] [discord] now how do they pull off a system account [11:20:12] If you do it to special, the result is not fun. [11:20:23] You can do it via certain i18n messages [11:20:29] [discord] oh dear, special seems like it should have its options limited in the first place [11:20:31] Some of the auto welcome extensions [11:20:38] Allow you to set who sends welcomes [11:20:50] And one of them steals the username and makes it a system user [11:20:58] which locks your account on that wiki [11:21:01] [discord] I recall someone killing their wiki because they added a custom special namespace to the namespace list [11:21:07] Yep [11:21:31] [discord] sounds like something that should just be disabled outright, ie, if special = "you don't want to do that" [11:22:35] [discord] and while I'm wishlisting, it would be nice to have a failsafe so someone unfamiliar with the wiki paradigm doesn't kill their managewiki access, even if it's a warning when editing bureaucrat or something [11:23:10] [discord] Or a reference to a permission editing guide on meta, which admittedly doesn't exist I don't think aside from a broad managewiki page [11:24:10] It's hard to do [11:24:23] Because we support hundreds of languages [11:24:32] [discord] ah yes, localization [11:25:06] [discord] that's one of the elements that intimidates me in editing on meta tbh, it compounds the thinking when a tiny tweak makes the page out of date and when an overhaul even more strongly obsoletes the page [12:05:29] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I updated the commentshttps://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Miraheze_official_QQ_groups_or_channel#Support [12:05:30] [url] Requests for Comment/Miraheze official QQ groups or channel - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [12:06:35] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> @raidarr [12:07:27] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> @Agent @Jst Tan @沈澄心 [12:09:14] [discord] Well I am okay with 开黑, it doesn’t have any regional block so it is fair for everyone [12:09:30] [discord] No need to ping all participants [12:09:50] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> if use this app [12:09:55] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/957974816848244786/Screenshot_20220328_200922.jpg [12:10:04] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> click this bottom to download [12:10:11] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> instead of it above [12:10:16] [discord] your alternative suggestion should be done as a proposal with a split vote (which can be another section in the same page) [12:10:56] [discord] aside from that you encounter the primary issues with adding extra miraheze platforms - very few volunteers who even know of it, let alone will regularly check it, let alone have the competence to oversee a chinese-based channel [12:11:11] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> can you help me to do that? [12:11:16] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> my English.... [12:11:22] [discord] that lack of core volunteer competence in the chinese market is something I cannot help you with [12:11:34] [discord] there was one volunteer who might have been suitable, but he's long gone [12:12:22] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> 開拓者 [12:12:23] [discord] it is only practical for chinese-based users to offer user support in an unofficial chinese channel, and forward requests to core volunteers when needed (ie, what was suggested in forwarding account registration stuff) [12:12:40] [discord] pioneer, exactly [12:13:09] [discord] but he is no longer in a position to offer volunteering power unless he requests rights again, which will be difficult now [12:15:03] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I contacted two Chinese Wikipedians before and after the proposal and they both expressed their willingness to participate [12:15:35] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> maybe can try to contact with him? [12:16:11] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> the two wikipedians also haven't plenty of time [12:16:16] [discord] if someone wants to get him in, by all means; I don't know him myself, though [12:16:29] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> hmmm [12:16:36] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so is it difficult? [12:16:43] [discord] I'm not even sure exactly why he left, which would affect how easy it is to get him back [12:16:59] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> hmmmm [12:17:20] [discord] someone more veteran who knew him could probably be more clear [12:17:20] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so he is the only one who can speak Chinese in the official? [12:17:32] [discord] Without translation, I believe so [12:17:55] [discord] there's a wiki creator who is chinese based, but frankly I don't think that would help you very far [12:18:44] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> solidblock I know,but he has his study(me too,but I'm freer this year) [12:19:00] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I will be very busy since September [12:19:47] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and also @开炸弹车 [12:21:24] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so maybe miraheze need to post a notice on the advertisement in the sites [12:21:43] [discord] what would be ideal to have is really two groups involved; cvt/steward, and tech/sre [12:21:51] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and the some foreign Chinese's Chinese... [12:22:10] [discord] so ideally you have two people who can share those fields or represents each of them and can at least pass things on to the rest of us [12:22:21] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> yes [12:22:46] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> hmm [12:22:54] [discord] but we go back to the original problem, very few people who could even start to represent them [12:22:58] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I don't think it's a good idea [12:23:19] [discord] your best bet right now is forwarding not because it is necessarily ideal or even good, but because that's all we have the volunteering power to do [12:23:31] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> most of wikipedian in Chinese Mainland are students [12:25:14] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Forwarding means a bot is needed, and at least for now, I can't find one, otherwise those applicants would have to wait at least two days for them to be forwarded, and it would take at least three days for them all to be implemented because of time differences and other factors [12:25:45] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> because I and the other two haven't plenty of time [12:25:59] [discord] depending on the request, forwarding could take less time than that as long as people stick to it once a day persistently in their time [12:25:59] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so I also need the official's help [12:26:09] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> at least someone in the sever [12:26:53] [discord] really quite tricky unfortunately [12:27:17] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> However, there may not be enough time, and Chinese students have more homework and a heavier burden than you do [12:28:16] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> @Jst Tan may have enough time(I don't know),he may can help us(if he want) [12:29:46] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> If it wasn't for the epidemic closure, I would have been here on Friday or Saturday, not now [12:30:41] [discord] I'd welcome him involved to discuss or even be a proper forwarder until a better system becomes practical [12:30:47] [discord] If using 开黑, I could help out during my free time [12:32:10] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> thanks [12:32:18] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I edited the page [12:32:26] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> to make a new part [12:32:27] [discord] but I couldn’t if in QQ, since it blocked in my region. That why I strongly oppose it. [12:33:37] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I advice to download Android app of kaiheila in Google Play [12:34:09] [discord] I have an acc in that app alr, I just needed to reinstall it [12:34:15] [discord] But I changed my email so……… [12:34:42] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> use wechat to login is OK [12:34:56] [discord] I needed to reset that acc, which might take a few minutes [12:36:06] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> 哇喔！我在华为应用市场发现了好棒的应用，好东西要第一时间和您分享呢~https://appgallery.cloud.huawei.com/ag/n/app/C102165821?locale=zh_CN&source=appshare&subsource=C102165821&shareTo=com.android.bluetooth&shareFrom=appmarket [12:36:44] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> @raidarr the link for download in Android [12:37:01] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Huawei's apk [12:37:03] [discord] If I do use it, it'll be on a VM [12:37:17] [discord] not quite configured to be doing that yet, will consider it once things are set up [12:38:20] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> why? [12:38:46] [discord] pretty much standard practice for anything I don't have in my personal ecosystem [12:39:17] [discord] in fact, you mentioned how facebook numbers are compromised; I wouldn't really know, because I explicitly blacklist not only using facebook proper, but its cookies/scripts on the wider internet unless I'm using a VM/test system 😛 [12:39:33] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Or even passed the security test of Huawei Google Apple? [12:39:46] [discord] I have a low trust relationship with google tbh [12:40:26] [discord] suffice to say, it's less that I'm worried about it explicitly, so much as I don't trust it explicitly for what it is and so I would use it in a VM, especially if it's mobile code [12:40:36] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> in fact Google is the one of the highest in China [12:40:49] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> the other one is Apple [12:41:02] [discord] Google is a monopoly in general, the low trust is more principle than practice since a degree of google is inevitable [12:41:07] [discord] but I don't give it any more ground than it needs [12:41:08] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> other mobile apps security scans are... [12:41:33] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> we often use some security tools to scan the app [12:41:36] [discord] what is considered trustworthy/acceptable in mobile and by desktop operating systems (ie, Windows approval) is not necessarily what I want to be using [12:41:40] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> even it is by Tencent [12:42:05] [discord] so it's not even a security issue, more the principle of 'if I don't explicitly need it, why is it on my system' [12:42:13] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but we don't do that for the apps from Google's and Microsoft's store [12:42:16] [discord] better to layer and sandbox, if you have the time for all that of course [12:42:28] [discord] I particularly like to cut out microsoft though, easier than google [12:42:54] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I am trusting Google and Microsoft [12:43:12] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> because the other stores in China's systems... [12:43:14] [discord] I trust them as far as I can throw them, and I accept them as far as they are necessary evils in day to day life [12:43:48] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> even there are some viruses in an very old mobile system's setup [12:43:50] [discord] And I'm not entirely insane about it, since there are places where I just go ahead and use all google since they're simply non essential and better off for the job [12:44:58] [discord] Discord itself I treat as a necessary evil, which I do not actually trust if that makes sense [12:45:17] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The truth is that there are certain things you can't protect yourself against [12:45:55] [discord] @raidarr true. Discord sells some data automatically [12:45:58] [discord] indeed; the principle of security for pretty much any user is not to block out all compromise, only minimize how many businesses/programs can compromise you [12:46:03] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The domestic version of QQ has swept the background of mobile phones many times, but it has to be used, and the state has talked to Tencent several times [12:46:12] [discord] I remember one time I was talking, in another server, about cement (and making jokes about it) [12:46:19] [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Google sells too [12:46:24]