[00:20:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> @Jst Tan @Agent @raidarr https://kaihei.co/3s97Se
[00:20:08] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] 开黑啦 | kaihei.co
[00:20:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> kaiheila sever invite
[00:23:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/958159406594408468/Screenshot_20220329_082308_cn.kaiheila.jpg
[00:23:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/958159406854459462/Screenshot_20220329_082305_cn.kaiheila.jpg
[00:23:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> do we need more?
[00:23:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Ah I forgot to download it
[00:23:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> hmmm
[00:24:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I don't know some channels how to translate
[00:26:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> The invite's best kept in here, @城市酸儒文人挖坑; as noted in #server-invites the channel is specialized to mainly discord communities for wikis
[00:26:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> ok
[00:27:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> the mod log, bot spam and cvt feed channels have dedicated functions which need to be set up/serve that purpose; mod log for in-server moderation stuff, bot commands for, well, that, and cvt feed if you can get a feed going between miraheze and that community platform
[00:28:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> Ok done
[00:29:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> just need click the link now
[00:35:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> I am in
[01:09:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> is it ok to make a page of the sever in meta?
[01:11:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> a full page for it I don't suggest, a section on the community noticeboard, absolutely
[01:23:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> hmm
[01:24:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> it may need a page at the top of the log in fail page
[01:24:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> to tell visitors in China how to make a new account without VPN
[01:25:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> lol
[01:25:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> also people in Russia(may)
[01:25:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I don't know the Russian gov have or haven't blocked Google
[01:29:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> like zhwikipedia
[06:44:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I think it is necessary to put the rules into a page
[06:45:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> because there are more rules than here
[06:46:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> if we don't follow the rules,the sever will be quickly blocked because of the laws
[06:47:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I have duty for the sever in the laws
[06:47:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> or who want to be the owner of the sever(also the duty is yours)
[06:47:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> such as no sexy
[06:48:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> no politics
[06:48:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> no some words like neigger or dogeater
[06:49:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I need someone who have time and ability to make a robot
[06:50:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> there are some apis and SDK in the official website of kaiheila
[06:50:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> @Agent
[07:00:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Miraheze_official_QQ_groups_or_channel
[07:00:48] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Requests for Comment/Miraheze official QQ groups or channel - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[07:01:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> we may need more people to comment?
[07:53:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> had better not discuss with politics in the kaiheila sever
[07:54:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> if someone say something not allowed about politics in the sever
[07:54:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> the acc and sever will be quickly blocked
[07:54:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> (also my account)
[07:55:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I have duty to keep there isn't anything until the law
[07:55:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> sex is disabled too
[09:18:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/958294187227369492/Screenshot_20220329_171724_com.tencent.mobileqq.jpg
[09:19:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The scammer broke into the kaiheila and didn't read the user agreement
[09:20:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Kaiheila has the right to provide personal information to the public security without the user's consent
[09:21:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and I can find his telephone number if I want
[09:21:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> No system is absolutely safe
[10:14:24] <darkmatterman450>	 Morning guys.
[10:15:31] <RhinosF1>	 Hey
[10:16:34] <ugochimobi>	 Hi
[10:20:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> hi
[10:20:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but it is evening here
[10:21:48] <darkmatterman450>	 @城市酸儒文人挖坑 I assume you're referring to your own timezone?
[10:24:47] <ugochimobi>	 I guess
[10:24:56] <ugochimobi>	 cuz it' still morning here
[10:29:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and sent a email to me
[10:29:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> yes
[10:29:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> yes
[10:29:50] <RhinosF1>	 Good morning is universal when you join
[10:30:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> because of I say Minecraft has a China vision by netease
[10:30:18] <RhinosF1>	 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UGT
[10:30:18] <MirahezeBot>	 [wikipedia] UGT | "UGT may mean:União Geral de Trabalhadores, the General Union of Workers (Portugal)Unión General de Trabajadores, the General Workers' Union (Argentina)Unión General de Trabajadores, the General Union of Workers of Spain.Uridinediphosphate-glucuronosyltransferase, a class of enzymes including UGT2B7, UGT1, and UGT1A1.Universal Greeting Time, an Internet Relay Chat convention whereby a person who […]"
[10:30:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I know it
[10:31:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I am in UTC+8
[10:31:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> CST
[10:32:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so he thought netease's 163 mail is popular for every Chinese
[10:32:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so he sent two to me
[10:32:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but in fact,I haven't use it for nearly a year
[10:44:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and he must be in the sever or irc
[11:51:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> no system is entirely safe, some systems are transparently less safe than others
[11:52:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I digress, I would start by drafting the suggested rules in a subpage of your user page, and if an official formation is made they may be able to get an independent page
[11:54:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Twitter also has the right
[11:55:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> thanks
[11:55:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> we need at least on Steward in the kaiheila sever
[11:56:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and may need a official volunteer like agent Dmehus void reception123
[11:56:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> for inter wiki request and help make new acc
[11:57:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> all three would be suitable representatives
[11:57:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> but to be honest I'm not sure if any of them could be active enough there; reception more than most, but he like all volunteers is a bit stretched
[11:59:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> in most Chinese mind wikipedia=wiki=mediawiki=xwiki
[12:05:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> it's not uncommon among English or other audiences as well
[12:05:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> we're directly compared to wikipedia even on platforms that should know better
[12:06:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> if you say you have a wiki in a wiki farm
[12:07:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> they will say:Don't make me laugh
[12:08:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> or wiki?it has be blocked
[12:08:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> they are in UTC+8 timezone which is the only timezone across Southeast Asia, China, Taiwan, Philippines and etc
[12:09:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so it will take a long time to tell them what is mediawiki
[12:09:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> hmmm I have said it
[12:09:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> just in case
[12:10:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and tell them how to edit it
[12:10:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> it is not good for all the wiki communities
[12:11:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> sometimes even the official medias say wiki...
[12:11:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but the probably say wikipedia
[12:16:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> It is considered as wiki, “Wikipedia” is the hosting name
[12:26:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I believe I understand completely, wikipedia absolutely dominates the public perception in many countries of what a wiki even is
[12:30:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> People think wikipedia is the most authoritative, but it's not, especially on controversial topics like politics and geography, where it's not 75% neutral
[12:31:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> wikipedia needs to be taken in context really, it has certain limitations that make it sometimes unable to cover all bases on different subjects or appear to have a political lean by how it deals with sourcing, not to speak of issues with 'lobby editing'
[12:32:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Then a bunch of national Bolsheviks would call us editors too weak to fight for a voice. A bunch of "neutral" people were there to accuse the mainland Chinese editors of seizing the voice, when in fact it was the "neutral" people who even persuaded the Wiki Foundation to take the voice for them, and made up a series of reasons for doing so
[12:36:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> It's a very nuanced conversation, and the trouble I think has a fair bit to do with cultural clash; you might notice the conversation tends to be guided by and based on a western perception of China, which is often not complimentary for all sorts of reasons pertaining to the government, and it can easily trickle down into users who are very adament even if I think it is entirely plausible that native Chinese user
[12:36:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> In fact, the Chinese wikipedia on China's geography, most of the Croatian wikipedia, Korean wikipedia about the history of China, Japan and South Korea, and all the wikipedia involved in Russia, the Soviet union, north Korea, and China's political content will basically because of its "authoritative" sources, for the most part, in fact, there is no any authenticity, and inaccurate
[12:37:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> there's always going to be a bit of a struggle when it is the native or national Chinese view coming into conflict with the western one where the people who call the shots and are most influential are coming from the complete opposite direction in views
[12:37:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> and thus, even ideas of fact or sources that they take for granted, leading to what you say on inaccuracy
[12:38:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I think it's the rise of China, and the rise of The United States was what the British newspapers were saying about the United States every day
[12:38:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> they do seem to be opposing magnets, geopolitically
[12:38:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> not to count how much the US buys off China :p
[12:40:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Many of us are pantheists, but if the god (authority) does not have the desired effect of the worshiper, then the people will smash the temples and idols (overthrow the rule).
[12:41:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> China has close cultural ties with South Korea, Japan and Vietnam, but relations remain tense
[12:42:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> cultural is the reason
[12:42:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but not the most important one
[12:48:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I don't imagine Japan in particular sees those ties as much of a positive
[12:48:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Does not speak well, culturally can easily beat South Korea and Japan, because their culture is from traditional sinology, time is only one thousand years, but if you want to beat more than five thousand years with the cultural history of the archaeological unearthed in seven thousand) (China, so some people may be itself, since five thousand, and a than a few hundred years, is too short, And pow
[12:48:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> at least in political terms I would say
[12:49:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> are there any particular books based on what  you say with an english translation you can recommend, as something I may end up looking into at a later date
[12:49:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The term emperor originated in China when it referred to Emperor Taizong of the Tang Dynasty, Li Shimin
[12:50:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> 24 history plus Qing History plus Republic of China history
[12:50:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> may need thousands dollars
[12:50:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> ah well, maybe when I become rich then :p
[12:51:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> But it's the most comprehensive
[12:51:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Chinese history (and asian history in general) is poorly understood in the western world and/or at least especially in the US, and for example in WW2 there were events in Asia that were frankly more relevant to the US today than the extreme focus on the european theatre
[12:52:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> In fact, the new tang book and the old Tang book can understand the origin of culture
[12:52:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> In fact I think I got hardly even an overview of China in public education
[12:52:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I've since taken broad looks of course
[12:53:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The United States has a historian named Zhengqing, his writing before the Opium War should be quite objective
[12:54:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> most Japanese army were in China
[12:54:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Yep, that was their primary target  for expansion
[12:55:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> or they will go to America and India
[12:55:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I recall they sent a fairly significant force to India, but it didn't go well at all
[12:55:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> and if CCP keep fighting with Kmt
[12:55:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> China will be quickly be a part of Japan
[12:55:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I forget, I think the supply lines were nonexistent and it allowed the japanese force to be obliterated
[12:56:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> likewise Japan saw success in taking major centers in China, but not actually controlling the landmass broadly if that makes sense/is correct
[12:56:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> to South East Asia at first
[12:57:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> hm yes, I'm not familiar with the Japanese presence there outside the philippines
[12:57:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> but that was of course a desirable conquest too
[12:58:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> No, he took Nanjing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Wuhan, but the costs of guangzhou and Wuhan, the two most important places for them, were greater than the benefits. And luckily their survey team in the northeast didn't find oil either
[13:01:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> As a matter of fact, the Japanese army should consolidate its rule in the puppet Manchukuo and sow discord between the pro-Japanese faction and the Euro-American faction within the Kuomintang (Chiang Kai-shek and Hitler were close, Hitler also provided a large number of advanced equipment. Luckily Nazi Germany chose Japan at that time)
[13:02:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I haven't heard of that association, will have to look into it
[13:02:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Then they should not have attacked Hong Kong and Pearl Harbor
[13:02:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Pearl Harbor was awful, strategically
[13:03:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> In this way, the US will guarantee Japan's oil supply
[13:04:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> clearly a losing game to be attacking two rather mega powers on top of an invasion in China that wasn't going terribly smoothly
[13:05:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Japan's ambitions were indeed too great, and it could have used the occupied Taiwan as a springboard to attack Thailand
[13:06:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The attacks on Hong Kong and Pearl Harbor pitted Japan against the entire Allied powers and caused her to lose the initiative in the League of Nations
[13:08:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Now some western infiltrator will spread hate speech in China, which will cause Chinese people to start hate speech as well, and finally the vicious cycle will lead to a bunch of Nazi and national Bolshevik official media on the Chinese Internet to start opposing hate speech
[13:09:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> On the Chinese Internet, people like me are sometimes "capitulators" (national Bolsheviks) and sometimes "radicals" (Trotskyites).
[13:11:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I do not support the use of weapons of mass destruction. I also believe that the current international situation is not the right time for an export revolution
[13:13:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> It also helped screw Germany, who made the awful decision of following along and declaring war on the US as well when it was already starting to get in deep crap with the USSR
[13:15:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Finally, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan, so that Russia and Japan are now effectively in a state of cease-fire, not peace
[13:16:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Moreover, according to the treaty, China was an ally of the United States, China was an ally of the Soviet Union, and the United States was an ally of the Soviet Union, and the People's Republic of China and the Russian Federation each inherited the relevant treaty
[13:20:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> So the international situation right now is Allies hurting each other
[13:21:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> And it succeeded in proving that everything has national borders, except the necessities of survival
[13:35:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> Do we need a #miraheze-history-debates? 😛
[13:38:46] <ugochimobi>	 @Reception123 that
[13:38:57] <ugochimobi>	 is not necessary, but it seems :)
[13:41:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> @Reception123 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Miraheze_official_QQ_groups_or_channel
[13:41:46] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Requests for Comment/Miraheze official QQ groups or channel - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[13:41:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> how do you think about it?
[13:44:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> sure, why not :p
[13:44:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> though I'm more just collecting perspective here tbh
[13:53:14] <ugochimobi>	 lol
[14:15:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> (History is controversial, unlike math 1+1=2)
[14:16:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> There could be an argument
[17:46:10] <Guest5174>	 why is the logo  a honeycome
[17:50:51] <RhinosF1>	 .op
[17:50:52] <MirahezeBot>	 Attempting to OP...
[20:01:48] <ugochimobi>	 hi chrs
[20:04:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> hey
[20:19:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Ugochimobi> how's your day?
[20:20:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <chrs> good, yours?
[20:30:46] <ugochimobi>	 not bad at all
[22:42:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> good night
[23:30:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://kaihei.co/USH2nS
[23:31:02] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] 开黑啦 | kaihei.co
[23:31:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> kaiheila sever invite
[23:31:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> sever name:Miraheze China