[00:21:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> In fact, the common written language is almost the same. If written in one place, the dialects of China would spread all over the country, and eventually it would be impossible for Chinese people to communicate with each other
[00:30:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> lol true. If every location has it own languages, there would be a tons!!
[01:20:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> india: hehe
[02:16:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> But many indians are native English speakers
[02:22:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/The_comments_sever(s)_for_users_who_are_in_Chinese_Mainland
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[02:24:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> @Lake @Jst Tan @raidarr @Reception123 the comments
[02:24:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> ??
[02:25:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> In fact, the way the Chinese now write is called modern Chinese, while the Use of Chinese characters in Japanese is more akin to classical Chinese, with many ancient and modern words in between
[02:26:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> I not really free, I will try to be as active as possible here (not really active in Discord overall), not needed to ping me.
[02:27:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> And Chinese is not a voice language, the difficulty is vocabulary not grammar (at least not as much grammar as English).
[02:27:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> OK
[02:29:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> the only place you will get a fast response by me is on Messenger without any pings. Also I hate pings
[02:52:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> oh
[02:53:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/958921977651924992/IMG_20220331_074645.jpg
[02:53:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I  was too excited about yesterday's comments
[02:54:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so I may not be here when it is night in my timezone
[02:56:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/958922824712585227/Screenshot_20220331_105644_com.discord.jpg
[02:57:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Huawei's safe keyboard is too safe that I can't operate lettets...
[02:57:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> only numbers
[02:58:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but discord sent the letters to me...
[03:54:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> everyone is the same lol
[04:02:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> it is too tired for me to stay up as yesterday
[04:03:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> ?? ok?
[04:04:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/958939723777327134/IMG_20220331_074645.jpg
[04:04:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> my sleeping time yesterday
[04:04:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> also it is today
[12:25:09] <RhinosF1>	 raidarr: just ban them
[12:25:52] <RhinosF1>	 raidarr: .ban guest51
[12:25:59] <RhinosF1>	 Actually .kb better
[12:26:11] <raidarr>	 kb includes ip?
[12:26:22] <RhinosF1>	 raidarr: no
[12:26:29] <raidarr>	 the ip has only ever been used by foundation as I recall, might as well include that too
[12:26:45] <RhinosF1>	 /ban *!*@*.rtp.zs.ncren.net raidarr
[12:26:49] <RhinosF1>	 After .op
[12:26:54] <raidarr>	 excellent
[12:27:06] <RhinosF1>	 I made the bot op you
[12:27:14] <RhinosF1>	 save you one command
[12:54:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so no one else join in the Chinese sever?
[12:57:44] <Tintle>	 Afaik, Taiwanese people speak Mandarin, they just use the traditional characters and not the simplified ones
[12:58:24] <Tintle>	 there are some other dialects like hakka or ban-lam-gu
[12:58:54] <Tintle>	 the first one using Chinese characters and the second one using Latin script
[12:59:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> But I can read both Chinese characters and type them
[13:00:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> But all the Chinese can speak Mandarin
[13:03:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Incidentally, schools in mainland China weave traditional Chinese characters into their daily teaching of Chinese, history and fine arts, but only recognition is required
[13:04:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> So what's the point of mentioning words? Even if you don't, machine translation between simplified and traditional Chinese characters is more accurate than any other Chinese characters
[13:06:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> So what's the point of mentioning words? Even if you don't, machine translation between simplified and traditional Chinese characters is more accurate than any other languages' words (edited)
[13:06:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> :Tintle
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[13:20:42] <Tintle>	 No, I don't agree with those silly and complicated letters. I prefer using Latin script, like the Vietnamese do. They did switch from characters like the Chinese ones.
[13:22:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> There are too many homophones in China. Words with the same sound in the same sentence can sometimes lead to completely different meanings of the sentence
[13:23:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> This phenomenon is more obvious in classical Chinese and modern popular words
[13:28:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Therefore, this issue has not been solved for more than 100 years from the Church of the late Qing Dynasty to Beijing. Do you have any suggestions?
[13:30:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Unfortunately, the Vietnamese language now has more words to memorize, and they can't memorize words with ideograms, they can only memorize words with sounds
[13:31:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> And now the literacy rate in China has been greatly improved, the Latinization of Chinese characters is no longer necessary
[13:40:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> who want to in
[13:40:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> the discussion is in [[Rfc]]
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[13:45:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Still have, the country must unify first can carry on the national Chinese Latinization, you are not opposed to the Chinese unification?
[13:45:30] <Tintle>	 No, if that means Taiwan ruled by CCP, no
[13:45:50] <Tintle>	 Never ever
[13:46:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I don't think one necessarily requires the other tbh
[13:46:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> both are political desires only linked by political purpose
[13:46:39] <Tintle>	 If the Taiwanese prefer to be part of a democratic China, or be independent, it's up to them. I don't think China will ever be a democratic country, though.
[13:46:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Peaceful reunification would make Taiwan a special administrative region
[13:47:09] <Tintle>	 I told you "one country, two systems" does not work, and they will not accept it
[13:47:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> And your government recognizes Taiwan as part of the People's Republic of China
[13:47:26] <Tintle>	 Because your government is a mafia
[13:47:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> It's the law of your country
[13:47:50] <Tintle>	 if we recognize Taiwan, mainland China will not buy our products
[13:47:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> And we need you to take care of our own business?
[13:47:55] <Tintle>	 that's the problem
[13:48:32] <Tintle>	 And, my pov is: I don't care about selling our products to China directly, I would reset it and recognize Taipei again.
[13:48:48] <Tintle>	 Nobody in my country recalls Taiwan...
[13:48:54] <Tintle>	 it's been 70 years
[13:49:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> May I ask, did any country intervene voluntarily in the American Civil War
[13:49:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> And the two sides are still at war
[13:49:39] <Tintle>	 There is no civil war in the US right now
[13:49:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> No agreement provides for a ceasefire
[13:50:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Did any country intervene voluntarily in the American Civil War?
[13:50:28] <Tintle>	 Why do you keep asking me about US history?
[13:50:44] <Tintle>	 I think either paladox or Agent can answer those questions
[13:50:49] <Tintle>	 since they're American
[13:50:57] <Tintle>	 s
[13:51:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Since the state can't intervene in a civil war, can you?
[13:52:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The United States was involved in civil wars in Korea, China, Vietnam, Chile, Cuba
[13:52:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> And they're all proactive
[13:52:28] <Tintle>	 All I can tell you is that I support free Taiwanese people, not a model ruled by authoritarian leaders like Xi and his puppets like Carrie Lam
[13:52:41] <Tintle>	 I don't agree with lockdowns, fake numbers
[13:53:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Considering the US was two halves of a significant whole with a far blurrier line than Taiwan has drawn both geographically and in its administration/culture, I do not consider a comparison with the american civil war applicable as an american
[13:53:09] <Tintle>	 Your govt created a pandemic that made our whole economy Chinese-dependant
[13:53:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Now, if the Southern US was successfully able to divide from the North, the context would be entirely different and comparable today; I would even respect the South's autonomy if it was successfully won and maintained for a lengthy period of time
[13:54:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I thought paladox was in UK though
[13:54:21] <Tintle>	 Yes, but he said he's been born in the USA
[13:54:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> ah, I see
[13:54:34] <Tintle>	 Doesn't matter, though
[13:54:46] <Tintle>	 that Chinese guy is a communist shill that wants us to get confused
[13:55:04] <Tintle>	 thankfully I've read a lot of Chinese history and am somewhat prepared for that
[13:55:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> tbh, it's a perspective that is interesting to interface with as long as you can navigate it well, and I do consider this conversation navigable
[13:55:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> At present, there is no evidence, and several lines of tracing lead to the United States. In Italy, COVID-19 samples were also extracted from sewers (and existed in sewers before Wuhan), and a woman in California was found to have COVID-19 antibodies in her body before Wuhan
[13:55:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> it's not uncommon in its local setting either
[13:55:32] <Tintle>	 this guy is totally brainwashed by Xi's regime
[13:55:35] <Tintle>	 like you can see
[13:55:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> American experts have also visited the Wuhan laboratory and found no evidence of leakage
[13:56:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> he is neither the first nor the last with the views he holds, and at least being able to see them in full and interface with them is how we in our more western context can better stand for ourselves
[13:56:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Have you ever been to China
[13:56:42] <Tintle>	 There are many China-lobbysts in the America
[13:56:45] <Tintle>	 s
[13:56:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> And may I assume that you have been brainwashed by some hostile forces in China?
[13:58:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> It was also a coincidence that some of the U.S. delegation to the GAMES had traveled to Wuhan with the flu and lived near the site of the first COVID-19 outbreak
[13:59:10] <Tintle>	 Nobody believes in your lies
[13:59:21] <Tintle>	 except you
[14:00:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but these is in the English Internet at first
[14:00:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> not Chinese Internet
[14:01:02] <Tintle>	 Personally. I believe in covid-19 being created in a Chinese laboratory owned by the state.. but I can't prove that, what I can prove is that your comrade Xi hid the virus while it was being spread among Chinese people
[14:01:21] <Tintle>	 If there is no responsibility, there is no reason to hide it
[14:02:00] <Tintle>	 You brought us poverty and misery via the authoritarian lockdowns
[14:02:38] <Tintle>	 I can speak for my own country, 6 million people are now poor, they weren't
[14:03:19] <Tintle>	 Our presidents have been obeying everything China says
[14:03:27] <Tintle>	 And we can't trust any dictatorship
[14:04:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I speak for my own country: we have universal health care that costs $10 a year
[14:04:15] <Tintle>	 I don't want a world where my future son or daughter can't smile at school
[14:04:45] <Tintle>	 I don't want a world where if you aren't vaccinated, you are a pariah
[14:04:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I speak for my own ancestors: my ancestors had bourgeoisie and petty bourgeoisie
[14:05:03] <Tintle>	 I want humans that can decide for themselves
[14:05:14] <Tintle>	 And I don't agree with public healthcare
[14:05:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> This is what Marx wanted, and this is what all Communists strive for, so join in
[14:06:12] <Tintle>	 You can't even enter a supermarket without showing your vaccine card
[14:06:33] <Tintle>	 this model has been created by China
[14:06:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> And it's not the lack of science that brings you down, it's your poverty
[14:06:47] <Tintle>	 the CCP is probably the world biggest cancer
[14:06:50] <Tintle>	 Ah no, there is Putin too
[14:06:59] <Tintle>	 Let's say they both are
[14:07:14] <Tintle>	 I am not poor
[14:07:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> It's a myth. My grandmother didn't get vaccinated. She should have gone to the supermarket
[14:07:33] <Tintle>	 It's not a myth. It's how things are where I live.
[14:07:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I and most of my ancestors were not poor
[14:07:45] <Tintle>	 And we are ruled by communists.
[14:08:01] <Tintle>	 Because, like I told you 500000 times, I don't live in the US.
[14:08:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> But some of my poor ancestors also became rich after the founding of new China
[14:08:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> What about political freedom of conscience?
[14:09:11] <Tintle>	 That doesn't exist in China.
[14:09:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Chinese citizens have political freedom (except not to overthrow the government)
[14:10:08] <Tintle>	 This is not political freedom
[14:10:20] <Tintle>	 you are telling me why, yourself
[14:10:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> We have more than ten political parties, most of which are democratic
[14:10:27] <Tintle>	 (except not to overthrow the government)
[14:10:39] <Tintle>	 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
[14:10:50] <Tintle>	 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
[14:11:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Does the United States allow subversion of government? Do you allow it there? Does Taiwan allow it?
[14:11:22] <Tintle>	 No, what I mean is you can vote for the person you choose
[14:11:39] <Tintle>	 -even if I disagree with electoral college-
[14:11:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> it is we can
[14:12:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> We can elect deputies (members) to the People's Congress who can represent us.
[14:12:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> We are different from the Soviet Union
[14:12:55] <Tintle>	 everyone from CCP list
[14:13:03] <Tintle>	 btw, any Taiwanese here?
[14:13:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> no
[14:14:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> There are members of the Communist Party, democratic parties, personages without party affiliation, workers, farmers, ethnic minorities and intellectuals
[14:14:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> You can also be a candidate (as long as you are a Chinese citizen, even if you were born in Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan)
[14:15:39] <Tintle>	 s/Chinese citizen/Xi supporter
[14:15:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Deputies from Hong Kong and Macao are elected by the Legislative Council of the Hong Kong and Macao special Administrative regions, while deputies from Taiwan Province are elected voluntarily by Taiwanese people on the mainland
[14:16:04] <Tintle>	 Not even all CCP supporters are eligible
[14:16:12] <Tintle>	 also, it's not Macao, it's Macau
[14:16:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Citizens do not equal supporters, and as far as I know supporters should not be less than 95%
[14:16:31] <Tintle>	 Macau citizens support CCP, unlike Hong Kong, they want to be free
[14:17:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> You should ask the old people who lived under British rule which side they support
[14:17:38] <Tintle>	 Did I ever say that HK support the Brits?
[14:17:47] <Tintle>	 No. They just want to be free.
[14:17:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> By the way, most of Hong Kong's democracy was deliberately changed by the British before the handover
[14:17:56] <Tintle>	 Free does not mean British colony.
[14:18:22] <Tintle>	 It does not mean being ruled by Carrie Lam, either.
[14:18:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I'm talking about communists or independents
[14:19:05] <Tintle>	 No, you're talking about former British colony of HK
[14:19:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> no
[14:20:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The old people thought the Communists were fine, at least not throwing petrol at people like the demonstrators
[14:22:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Besides, China's democratic process is only a little more than 100 years old (60 years of actual progress), and the United States has been almost 300 years old. Do you expect the system to be fault-free?
[14:23:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Think for yourself what was the cause of the Paris Commune, what was the cause of the October Revolution, why was the Communist Party popular in rural areas during the Chinese Republic
[14:24:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> What kind of democracy is this when you don't even recognize the treaty on Taiwan signed by your own government?
[14:25:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Don't you think the Allies would have won WW2 if the Communists hadn't come up with the idea to fight the Japanese?
[14:25:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Don't you think the Allies would have lost WW2 if the Communists hadn't come up with the idea to fight the Japanese? (edited)
[14:26:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Would you have access to cheap manufactured goods without the communist party's open door policy?
[14:27:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Here's one way to get rid of Xi Jinping's evil: go back to being a primitive
[14:28:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> l love my country,OK?我热爱我的祖国。
[14:29:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I am also a communist.我也是一名共产主义者
[14:29:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I am against imperialism.我反对帝国主义
[14:30:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I object to the involvement of foreign governments and ngos in civil wars.我反对外国政府和非政府组织插手内战
[14:31:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I support my government. I think it's democratic, I think it's free, I think it's loved and supported by the people, and I think it's great.我拥护我的政府，我认为她是民主的、自由的、受人民爱戴与拥护的，同时也是伟大的
[14:33:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> That's enough.这些就足够了
[14:37:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> At least I am a happy, fulfilling, free, can I exercise my constitutional right, I can go to a criticism of the government behavior, I can pass the exam in the future become bureaucratic, I can choose whether to join the party, I was free to participate in civil society, personal property is protected, I can be freedom within the law,(any country are all the same)至少我是幸福的,充实的,�
[14:38:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Not oppressed as you said而不是你说的受到压迫
[14:41:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://kaihei.co/s14KzU
[14:41:44] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] 开黑啦 | kaihei.co
[14:41:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> kaiheila sever invite
[14:42:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> the discussions about the sever(s) for Chinese visitors are in [[Rfc]]
[14:42:28] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Rfc
[14:42:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Rfc>
[14:42:36] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Requests for Comment - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[14:42:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> welcome to take part in the comments
[15:02:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Fan Formuły 1> Cleaning up my room is sometimes useful 😄
[15:02:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Fan Formuły 1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/959105427596001280/IMG_4180.jpg
[17:25:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Jst Tan> ? So wanna Kaihei or Dodo?
[18:41:00] <Tintle>	 No, you are not against imperialism, you are all for Russian and Chinese imperialism
[18:41:31] <Tintle>	 You have no democracy, you have a dictatorship, and not any dictatorship but a strong and terrible one
[18:42:12] <Tintle>	 and no, you are not free, no Chinese is free
[18:43:20] <Tintle>	 Thankfully nobody supports your radical and dangerous views here, maybe we have different ideas but everyone believes in democracy, nobody wants to be Russia or China.
[18:43:43] <Tintle>	 We embrace Western freedom, even with its own problems
[18:46:38] <Tintle>	 We don't want a new Cultural Revolution, nor a Great Leap Forward anymore in the world
[18:46:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheBurningPrincess> Brainwashed  person?
[18:47:08] <Tintle>	 as fuck
[18:47:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheBurningPrincess> I tend to stay away from politcs.  Hurts.
[18:48:43] <Tintle>	 There are many people who have Chinese grandparents in my country
[18:49:05] <Tintle>	 they have their own Chinese restaurants and other business
[18:49:28] <Tintle>	 They did escape from civil war
[18:50:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> I don't even give 2 shits about politics anyway.
[18:50:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheBurningPrincess> This one avoids the topic, it only causes them arguments
[18:50:57] <Tintle>	 Lol
[18:52:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheBurningPrincess> I am working on a minecradft city - just about finished the spawn
[18:54:05] <Tintle>	 I don't know much about Minecraft
[18:57:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterBladeMan4000> You mean my comment I made here?
[19:07:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <TheBurningPrincess> idk
[20:35:15] <paladox>	 @城市酸儒文人挖坑 i speak to a person who's family are from china
[20:35:23] <paladox>	 his family were executed by the CCP
[21:25:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> Welp I’m a great sysadmin
[21:26:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> So I basically had a wiki rename request, it took long (like an hour) so I deleted the account, and attempted to just recreate it, but it didn’t work, so I forcefully removed the account from the DB
[21:27:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> And I deleted almost every account except for the renamed account which I cannot access
[21:27:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> So I was forced to make a new account via terminal
[21:27:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> Anyways please hire me miraheze
[21:37:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> I completely fucked up the databases and now I have to reinstall
[21:37:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> 😔
[22:09:16] <Tintle>	 May I ask what's the meaning of "welp" exactly?
[22:09:35] * Tintle is ashamed
[22:09:47] <Tintle>	 Is it like "well" + "help"?
[22:19:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> I think it's just "well" but in a "negative mood", if that makes sense
[22:19:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> like saying "well, I lost"
[22:20:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> ~~correct me if I'm wrong~~
[22:20:45] <Tintle>	 muito obrigado
[22:24:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GT610> ?
[22:36:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> both are ok
[22:38:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Or when were they executed during the Cultural Revolution? The Cultural Revolution was a black mark for the Communist Party, which suffered from serious internal strife
[22:49:11] <Tintle>	 It was not a black mark, it was a crime, it's communism and communism does not work anywhere around the world
[22:57:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> You look at North Korea, you look at Cuba, they have this?
[22:57:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> It's left-leaning opportunism, you know?
[23:00:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> If you tell the truth and file a petition to the government, you will be able to recover your honor and receive compensation
[23:02:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> 打开链接↓加入超级群「Miraheze」
[23:02:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://imdodo.com/i?gNo=105131 dodo sever link
[23:02:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> 
[23:03:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> https://kaihei.co/3s97Se kaiheila sever
[23:03:04] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] DoDo 渡渡语音 | imdodo.com
[23:03:08] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] 开黑啦 | kaihei.co
[23:08:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> There's no need to paste that every day
[23:10:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but no one has joined in
[23:10:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> ...
[23:10:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> how unfortunate
[23:11:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GT610> It's a little bit difficult for users outside China to register to a Chinese network service
[23:11:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> hmm.but this only need phone number
[23:12:41] <Tintle>	 Because nobody is interested in your radical and dangerous views x2
[23:13:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GT610> That's none of your business
[23:13:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> did you ask raidarr?
[23:16:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> There is only one kind of people who will oppose communism and say it is dangerous, and that is the right wing
[23:18:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> There are only two types of people who get banned from Twitter, those who are against Western values (for example, being too radical or conservative) and those who are left-wing. Which one are you? :Tintle
[23:18:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Is it fun to promote ideological opposition?
[23:20:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> If the Ethnic Bolsheviks infiltrate and take control of the Chinese government, it will be a catastrophe and your words will only radicalize the Ethnic Bolsheviks
[23:20:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> And China today is not on the same scale as the Nazis
[23:21:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> You want nuclear war?
[23:22:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> You haven't even been to China, how can you say I'm brainwashed and everything I say is false?
[23:24:12] <Tintle>	 I don't agree with starting a war, but if someone else starts it.. then I agree with defense
[23:24:29] <Tintle>	 Actually, China is much like the Nazis
[23:25:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> But your remarks will make a new ethnic Bolsheviks or even Nazis in China
[23:25:06] <Tintle>	 so, I agree with invading Kaliningrad or some other place in Russia in response to Ukraine's illegal invasion
[23:25:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The government is trying to weed out hate speech from the Internet
[23:25:36] <Tintle>	 Because I don't need to be there to know about stuff
[23:26:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Oh, by the way, the people and the State think that all Anglos are reactionary and evil. The same goes for Jews
[23:28:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Collectivism, admittedly, but the Nazis only brought in a bunch of brain-dead supporters who blindly supported the leaders
[23:28:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The socialist government is indeed the most democratic and free government in Chinese history
[23:32:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> There were actually four years of democracy in the previous millennia (three BC and one in 1912).
[23:41:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> can you add the link to the mainpage?
[23:42:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> We are not adding that to the main page
[23:42:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's not even official
[23:43:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I also recommend putting irC and DC links in the notification of registration failure (this is also ok)
[23:43:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GT610> I'd ask one thing
[23:43:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GT610> About the connection speed in China
[23:43:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GT610> Its much slower than most of other cloud services
[23:43:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GT610> I've seen a Wiki on Amazon Cloud
[23:43:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GT610> That wiki performs well even in China
[23:43:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <GT610> But Miraheze is too slow
[23:43:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> The vote is now 2-0
[23:44:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I doubt it'll be that way for long
[23:46:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> Support for an official (or semi-official) server on Chinese social media was four to one (opponents withdrew, so four to zero).
[23:47:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> so may need to wait for a week?
[23:47:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You'll need to wait for until a Steward decides there's been enough discussion for consensus
[23:47:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> That could be from a week to a few months
[23:48:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> there are two aspects
[23:48:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> but raidarr is one of the supporter
[23:48:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> one, consensus includes overall engagement of the community; creating an official function with very little interest, even in support is not a strong consensus
[23:48:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> two, all issues with getting the appropriate volunteers and thus making it actually official still apply
[23:49:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> and with your subsequent comment, three, I don't recall casting an official support vote
[23:50:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Do remember too that votes != outcome. Stewards can go against simple votes if they have a good reason to, as codified by the RfC RfC
[23:50:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> comments are in [[Rfc]]
[23:50:50] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Rfc
[23:50:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Rfc>
[23:50:52] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Requests for Comment - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[23:51:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> per policy, "No minimum threshold or support ratio exists for Requests for Comments. Stewards will use their discretion to decide whether consensus has been reached on a proposal."
[23:52:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> I'm sorry. I got it wrong
[23:53:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <城市酸儒文人挖坑> OK