[15:37:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Викикот> Gorbachev is dead.  This is good
[15:43:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SelfCloak> You shouldn't be celebrating over death
[16:06:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterMan4500> What the fuck man?
[16:07:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> he hasn't been very relevant for decades, so I don't really see the point being too bothered even if you disliked him politically as obviously this is
[16:08:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Викикот> He did a lot of damage to my country
[16:08:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterMan4500> I legit have no idea who Gorbachev is, but good to know that.
[16:10:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterMan4500> If he's irrelevant, then why bring it up though? :/
[16:11:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Викикот> well just
[16:12:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Викикот> Gorbachev is president USSR, He destroyed the country
[16:13:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> he was the one who opened up the USSR to western policy/influence in many regards and oversaw the various referendums that resulted in the USSR collapsing as an entity
[16:13:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I imagine that his death is a pleasure to many who are pro-putin/modern Russia as in many ways it builds on nostalgia from the heights of the USSR's power
[16:14:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterMan4500> That sounds something that "The Great Replacement" once tried to do.
[16:14:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Not sure what you're referring/connecting to
[16:15:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterMan4500> [[w:The Great Replacement]]
[16:15:25] <wm-bot>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Replacement
[16:15:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Replacement>
[16:15:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> unrelated
[16:15:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterMan4500> Yeah, you're probably right.
[16:16:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> The USSR opening up was entirely a political matter and in good part a response to the steady decline of USSR in internatonal politics, demographics and more
[16:16:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Though at its height it was ideologically extremely influential and its legacy is comparable to what modern China is attempting to do in various theatres
[16:17:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Though even comparing them there are many differences, especially since China is not nearly as true to ideology as the USSR was to Stalinism
[16:31:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Викикот> The reason for the decline was corruption, which appeared in huge quantities just under Gorbachev.  The system itself is viable
[16:40:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> Well, that's very much a can of worms
[16:41:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I would argue that as long as you have a human element, the corruption is inevitable and gorbachev was the inevitable result of something that could have only been delayed by a few decades at most; not to speak of how well it was working from the start
[21:14:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> China isn't really align with USSR or communism
[21:16:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> China isn't really align with USSR or communism especially when you check their history (edited)
[21:16:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> More like Social imperialism aka Maoism
[21:19:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> More like Social imperialism aka Maoism with communism in their name (edited)
[21:21:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> Near final of communism is actually Democratic Socialism which power don't rely on 1 guy
[21:21:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> Near final of communism is actually Democratic Socialism which power don't rely on 1 guy or a group (edited)
[21:42:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> Near final of communism is actually Democratic Socialism which power don't rely on 1 guy or a group
[21:42:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z05uXZS0r6E (edited)
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[22:23:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterMan4500> @raidarr So you resigned as a Steward. I have a feeling that a new Steward will take your place in the near future.