[04:27:08] [discord] https://twitter.com/verge/status/1603585610375118849 [04:27:08] [Twitter] The Verge (@verge): Twitter is blocking links to Mastodon https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512113/twitter-blocking-mastodon-links-elon-musk-elonjet?utm_campaign=theverge&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkEUnVIX0AEgTRD.jpg | 206 RTs | 299 ♥s | Posted: 2022-12-16 - 02:59:37UTC [04:27:16] [discord] The irony of free speech [04:29:30] [discord] I'm getting stressed on twi nowadays tbh [04:31:36] [discord] and I am getting quite a few scam group chat invites, which practically never happened before Elon took over [04:34:38] [discord] Not to mention that they booted a mess of journalists from the platform for the grand crime of reporting on Elon on other platforms. [04:35:03] [discord] I deactivated my account today, realistically that step was overdue [04:35:17] [discord] So basically Free Speech, when it is convenient 😉 [04:35:35] [discord] I should too tbh [04:35:44] [discord] I've been trying to get into Mastodon but I haven't had time [04:35:53] [discord] heh, what if Miraheze jumped ship \:P [04:36:58] [discord] I have problems w/ Mastodon's model that can't be readily rectified, though we already have a Mastodon presence so there's that. [04:37:28] [discord] My SO's been looking at post, but at this point there's no strong contender. [04:38:19] [discord] I haven't had time to really look into Mastodon. What don't you like about it, if I may ask? [04:38:26] [discord] Care to share what those problems are? I honestly never even had heard of Mastodon before this whole shitshow, and still know very little about it, but certainly getting curious about it [04:39:50] [discord] On an unrelated note: after reading this thread re: the twitter whisteblower allegations, I can now see a much more coherent case on why Twitter's board was so willing to unload it to Elon: [04:39:50] [discord] https://twitter.com/AvidHalaby/status/1602127460677844993?s=20&t=RljG4JKZoh_3MEGkx08Vyw [04:39:51] [Twitter] Avid Halaby (@AvidHalaby): The stuff uncovered in the Twitter whistleblower report is much crazier than anything in the "Twitter files" but it's much less politically/tribally salient so it got no attention. Going to do a thread on some of the craziest things, in no particular order. | 14750 RTs | 61794 ♥s | Posted: 2022-12-12 - 02:25:27UTC [04:40:31] [discord] TL;DR: Incredibly bad development practices, some pretty strong corporate malfeasance up there with things that have sent lesser folks to jail for misleading shareholders [04:41:45] [discord] Case in point: over half the company having write access to the production instance regardless of role [04:42:19] [discord] tbqh, not surprised at all. After the 2020-ish hack where a script kiddie got access to Twitter's backend by using basic social engineering and finding a superuser password in a pinned comment in the company's Slack, I've already suspected that the company had poor IT to begin with [04:42:33] [discord] Their backend dashboard also looked rather old, using some circa 2009 Bootstrap design heh [04:43:01] [discord] tbqh, not surprised at all. After the 2020-ish hack where a script kiddie got access to Twitter's backend by using basic social engineering and finding a superuser password in a pinned comment in the company's Slack, I've already suspected that the company had poor IT security to begin with (edited) [04:44:27] [discord] RE: Mastodon, not inherently bad, exactly, but the federated model leaves a lot to be desired. I'm still early in my exploration, but my early findings follow. Tale everything after this with a grain of salt, I'm no SwiftOnSecurity. [04:47:30] [discord] -Security is basically up to the individual instance to set up + enforce. Given the distributed model, visiting the wrong server instance could theoretically leave you wide open to exploits even if your home instance is well-secured [04:47:31] [discord] [04:47:33] [discord] -Instances essentially operate at the host's will + ability to fund the hardware to keep it up and running. If your instance goes offline, you're essentially wiped as far as your trust/presence are concerned on other servers. [04:47:34] [discord] [04:47:35] [discord] -Given the structure, it's incredibly easy to set up new instances to brew up more extremist BS and start recruiting on instances you've already been banned from. Good for extremists, bad for everyone else who doesn't want to hear badly-written political screeds and hate speech. [04:48:35] [discord] Or to summarize more succintly: Good > there is no global authority, Bad > there is no global authority. [04:50:40] [discord] I'm not really sure what comes next, but Twitter seems to no longer be it. [04:51:09] [discord] At least as long as manbabies with too much money can come in and essentially unwrite an entire infrastructure overnight. [04:51:10] [discord] This thread gets more intense as it goes on [04:51:21] [discord] goodness me, I can't manage to make it through it all tonight lol [04:51:41] [discord] Right? I kept thinking as going through "It can't get worse than this, yeah?" [04:52:17] [discord] Miraheze can brag that it has better security, backups, and resiliency than a Fortune 500 company! 😬 [04:52:35] [discord] I'm still surprised about the fact that if Twitter went down completely, it would be hard to get it back up and running [04:52:40] [discord] like, how does that happen? [04:53:02] [discord] Several hundred band-aid fixes and a mentality of "we'll fix it eventually" [04:53:08] [discord] *tech debt* [04:53:26] [discord] The glorious snake that eats all well-intended developers in the end, yes. [04:53:38] [discord] The glorious snake that eats all well-intentioned developers in the end, yes. (edited) [04:55:39] [discord] Good points here to consider [04:56:13] [discord] I hadn't considered the fact that if a specific instance goes down, you disappear from the face of the federation [04:56:30] [discord] time for a Miraheze Mastodon version, hosted on db141 for good measure [04:57:38] [discord] #giphy rick and morty 1000 years baybee [04:57:43] [discord] A stability you can count on [04:57:54] [discord] hmm yeah, classic example of it sounding amazing on paper, but having some glaring issues in reality [04:58:12] [discord] Time to gain back pain and go back to Facebook [04:58:15] [discord] :geezer: [04:58:28] [discord] Hey, I resemble that remark [04:59:24] [discord] I haven't logged in to Facebook in quite a while. I guess it'll be a good chance to see what everyone's been up to since the last time I logged in like 5 years ago [05:03:48] [discord] don't dig Mastodon, tried back in 2018 during tumblr ban circus [05:05:14] [discord] Just need to bring wikis back as a social network [05:05:29] [discord] I feel bad deleting that some of my friends and fave artists hang only in twi (and if they have another place it's fucking Telegram), but I'm def on my limit [05:05:29] [discord] my wiki's twitter will stay, there's nothing personal [05:06:06] [discord] I feel bad deleting my accounts some of my friends and fave artists hang only in twi (and if they have another place it's fucking Telegram), but I'm def on my limit [05:06:07] [discord] my wiki's twitter will stay tho, there's nothing personal and it helped my SEO (edited) [05:07:56] [discord] I feel bad deleting my accounts cus some of my friends and fave artists hang only in twi (and if they have another place it's fucking Telegram), but I'm def on my limit [05:07:57] [discord] my wiki's twitter will stay tho, there's nothing personal and it helped my SEO (edited) [05:09:01] [discord] I mean, wikis are basically BBS with extra features. Why not? [05:10:35] [discord] It's a bit hard to have a real time convo on a wiki [05:10:38] [discord] BBS? Not sure what that stands for, Big Bad Servers? :blobtongue: [05:10:54] [discord] especially when it's a bunch of people edit conflicting with each other on a hot topic lol [05:11:35] [discord] has someone tried the chat extension? one user here asked about it twice and it seems like nobody ever tried it lol [05:11:48] [discord] MediaWikiChat is so painfully outdated [05:12:05] [discord] It would've been a great chat extension... back in 2007 [05:12:15] [discord] I counter that slower means of communication enforce a more coherent discussion as one is forced to think through the commentary on a hot topic rather than devolving quickly [05:12:18] [discord] you can't even properly DM people [05:13:15] [discord] email :EpicFaceMH: [05:13:19] [discord] Yeah but humans like fast so a lot of people get overly impatient [05:13:25] [discord] Or lets go back to using good old Forums 😄 [05:14:00] [discord] If WikiForum worked and were a bit less outdated then I'm all for it [05:14:07] [discord] I wish a proper forum extension existed for wikis [05:14:17] [discord] WikiForum is a start but it needs some work [05:14:21] [discord] Registering hot-slow-takes.com now [05:15:48] [discord] It's the dark ages of the internet, I was just a wee digi-human in that era: [05:15:49] [discord] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system [05:15:50] [wikipedia] Bulletin board system | "A bulletin board system (BBS), also called computer bulletin board service (CBBS), is a computer server running software that allows users to connect to the system using a terminal program. Once logged in, the user can perform functions such as uploading and downloading software and data, reading news and bulletins, and exchanging messages with other users through public message boards and […]" [05:16:15] [discord] the more you know [05:16:30] [discord] If WikiForum even goes back up, chat.miraheze.org should be made [05:16:31] [discord] Heh [05:16:35] [discord] heh (edited) [05:17:22] [discord] well I meant actual forums, not some wiki extension version, you know like... ehmm IPBoard, I belieave was one of the softwares for it... so long since I actually had to look at that sort of stuff xD [05:17:58] [discord] that could work too [05:18:29] [discord] though I was thinking about WF as it ties in directly with a wiki versus having to use a separate platform with separate credentials and so on [05:19:03] [discord] A context for BBS: Think forums, but in the way that people used to play chess by mail, where a single 'post'/'move' could take days to reach the other party. [05:19:56] [discord] Chess by mail sounds like loads of fun [05:20:00] [discord] Yeah I do know what it is, I just didn't quite get the acronym ;)... then again it is 6am here [05:20:30] [discord] It is a hyper-specific kind of fun [05:21:14] [discord] And then someone tries to cheat, and it takes several day for the response with hey, that is not allowed 😄 [05:21:17] [discord] And in an era where fun normally = 4+ pints at the local pub, 5 days a week, could be pretty good [05:22:27] [discord] 100%! Mental game on top of a mental game. [05:23:22] [discord] Or someone does the good old en pessant, or however the hell you spell that... and the other player, didn't know that move existed, and then it gets real "fun" 😄 [05:24:09] [discord] Fair enough, that's why no WC approvals come through me before 8AM local at minimum. I'm not at my sharpest without a few hours of wakefulness and a caffeine beverage or two [05:24:44] [discord] Discord is the closest thing to social media I've used for 4-ish years now and honestly I don't miss anything, so not affected much by the slow death of Twitter. Still have a Facebook/Twitter/etc. account just to be able to open things I'm linked to without getting a massive "oops you must log-in to read" banner, but I never interact/post in any way. [05:25:18] [discord] even that acronym too me a while to figure out, I was like... WTH does a toilet have to do with anything here? [05:25:39] [discord] Water closets, amirite? [05:25:48] [discord] Instagram getting closed is so fucking annoying, so much embed links got broken, like here in discord [05:25:59] [discord] such a strange French abbreviation though heh [05:26:13] [discord] though who am I to criticize that language when I butcher it when speaking lol [05:26:17] [discord] hhahahahah, I made a page for this! https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:NotAracham/Miraheze:Acronyms_and_Abbreviations [05:26:18] [url] User:NotAracham/Miraheze:Acronyms and Abbreviations - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [05:26:43] [discord] But the shorthand remains a fun point of confusion [05:27:13] [discord] quite useful [05:27:24] [discord] the abreviation for everyone's name would be a doozy to add [05:27:52] [discord] It's our slow march out of the GNU era to proper freeware. We'll get there eventually. [05:28:00] [discord] I usually see everyone refer to CosmicAlpha as UO versus CA because then we get confused about whether we're referencing CentralAuth or CosmicAlpha lol [05:28:02] [discord] Aim for Ubuntu, strive for Wikimedia? [05:28:38] [discord] For Wikimedia indeed 💸 [05:29:59] [discord] haha yeah, specailly since context often can't even help there, as he is one of the few that actually would have direct access to well the CA I belieave? [05:30:26] [discord] Everyone can see CA, and also CA. [05:30:37] [discord] To make this extra confusing. [05:30:46] [discord] He's one of the only ones with access to the CentralAuth database, yeah [05:30:55] [discord] though everyone can use the CentralAuth interface [05:31:04] [discord] but only Stewards can do stuff like locking [05:31:32] [discord] so confusing heh [05:32:01] [discord] But seriously, should this ever reach the possibility of becoming a paid gig... [05:32:02] [discord] [05:32:03] [discord] *engage "oh the places you'll go" gif* [05:32:15] [discord] Yeah that is what I meant with direct access. SO basically CA, is more or less synonymous with CA 😄 [05:32:29] [discord] We've got quite the back pay to issue! [05:32:31] [discord] "If you need something re: CA; contact CA" [05:32:47] [discord] ~~especially to paladox and UO~~ [05:33:00] [discord] What I've done so far is with a miniscule fraction of my potential time. The full capability unleashed... I shudder to think where we might reach with full time hires. [05:33:11] [discord] What I've done so far is with a miniscule fraction of my potential time and everyone else's too. The full capability unleashed... I shudder to think where we might reach with full time hires. (edited) [05:34:00] [discord] Our goal is a lot of automation so we'd probably get to that goal and exceed it and thus we end up not needing so many SRE volunteers lol [05:34:35] [discord] Full time hires, is also one step closer to corporation though, which we all know where that leads in the long run [05:34:37] [discord] Our goal is a lot of automation so we'd probably get to that goal and exceed it and thus we end up not needing so many SRE members lol (edited) [05:35:27] [discord] There are those that have managed that gracefully. Despite both of their drawbacks, corporate structures in Spain and Portugal can be very instructive here. [05:35:27] [discord] Awkward Christmas parties where your managee has one too many drinks? [05:35:49] [discord] No rules without exceptions and all that [05:36:08] [discord] that'd be funny, especially considering who our Engineering Managers are heh [05:37:00] [discord] Well, we can't be worse than Fandom at least... [05:37:25] [discord] Absolutely. The dollar incentive hasn't worked out well in most models. Most have succeeded long term in spite of, not becaue of. [05:37:29] [discord] though I hope we never get to the point where the Wikimedia community sort of resents WMF but needs them but is overly hostile but they're also bad [05:37:39] [discord] Again, this is one of those 'all day if I let it' topics. [05:37:43] [discord] To be fair, that's the lowest possible bar lol [05:38:35] [discord] which is sad, I would've liked to see it a bit better considering it's a project made by the founder of Wikipedia [05:38:47] [discord] but understandable, they are a business after all [05:38:52] [discord] Never say never, too many times have I thought that about something, and been proven wrong [05:39:10] [discord] Never say never, too many times have I thought something like that, and been proven wrong (edited) [05:39:59] [discord] just for that, I'm going to global you, your team, and promote someone else to admin on your wiki and add extra ads to it :terranceangry: [05:40:16] [discord] 1984 mode [05:41:07] [discord] We've always been at war with EastGummiel [05:41:21] [discord] Okay but what about off topic videos that autoplay and you can't close without reciting the third constitution of Liberia in its entirety [05:41:25] [discord] (1984 reference, no actual offense intended) [05:41:27] [discord] well considering my wiki is an NSFW wiki, good luck finding someone who want to put ads on it 😉 [05:42:07] [discord] I mean, it's not impossible but the ads certainly wouldn't be family friendly by a really really long shot [05:42:23] [discord] *rings up gacha game devs* I've got a deal [05:42:57] [discord] try to load a fandom wiki without your phone freezing up (impossible edition) [05:44:11] [discord] Fair, but there is a good chance you might end up violating the whole "10. A wiki must not create problems which make it difficult for other wikis." part of the content policy 😉 [05:44:28] [discord] Content Policy repealed effective immediately [05:44:33] [discord] by council decree [05:44:36] [discord] Oh hell [05:44:54] [discord] */reloads doom shotgun* [05:45:16] [discord] Last weekend I tried to consult the (shamefully Fandom-hosted) wiki of a game a streamer I mod for was playing because he got stuck and I needed to soft reset my phone lol [05:46:36] [discord] I have a flagship phone and I was quite surprised when chrome locked up for a second or two trying to load a fandom page [05:48:03] [discord] PC: Can it run Crysis? [05:48:04] [discord] Mobile: Can it run Fandom? [05:49:55] [discord] even mobile Firefox w/ enabled adblock struggles [05:50:48] [discord] I feel bad for Fandom editors who labor away for free for a multimillion dollar company [05:53:08] [discord] I feel bad I killed so much time over there [05:53:38] [discord] but I just was in pretty poor mental state [07:21:03] [discord] To everyone who stuggle to load fandom: So there's this site called breezewiki.com... Basically it strips out the ads and some of the UI, you just feed it the wikia you want it to buffer and the page and tadaaaaaa! [07:21:23] [discord] Lol, apparently Twitter banned Mastodon's account [07:22:12] [discord] Ah I see it's already been discussed above [07:22:23] [discord] But yeah it seems the absolute free speech talk is just double standards [07:25:13] [discord] quite the nifty website, it even gives us a shout-out on their page [07:34:02] [discord] To be honest you guys deserve all the shout-outs. You're tragically under-known in fandoms despite basically running on about the same policy style as the OTF is and you should be the de-facto favored wiki host for fandoms [07:36:06] [discord] I tried to migrate Devilman wiki alone and still can't make myself finish the job, can't handle it mentally [07:36:37] [discord] I'm mutual w/ its crator, and FANDOM globally banned his account in 2018 for Sirene images (nude) [07:36:45] [discord] I'm mutual w/ its creator, and FANDOM globally banned his account in 2018 for Sirene images (nude) (edited) [07:37:03] [discord] plus at the time FANDOM started booting wikis w/ adult stuff [07:37:10] [discord] How much of it did you move over? [07:37:54] [discord] well I migrated everything and reworked all templates - which were in very VERY poor state, the problem is fixing every article [07:38:20] [discord] … I don't even remember how I found out about Miraheze, other than it being during a time I didn't have Internet access for the computer (so, 2021). [07:38:21] [discord] Which meant I was stuck with a pretty lousy mobile device. T_T [07:39:08] [discord] files are total mess too, a lot of fan arts and duplicates [07:39:15] [discord] Give link, I'll start poking at it. (yeah, I'm a Go Nagai fan, I'm Invested in that wiki getting some love) [07:39:48] [discord] I recognised by your avi hence why I asked which wiki you admin 👀 [07:40:45] [discord] devilman.miraheze - I made private for the time being, so I need to give you a role [07:42:19] [discord] I forgot were I stopped, I think articles up to C are all fixed [07:42:20] [discord] categories are totally messed up too - yeah, a lot of shit to clean up here [07:42:42] [discord] I forgot were I stopped, I think articles up to C are all fixed [07:42:43] [discord] categories are totally messed up too [07:42:44] [discord] a lot of shit to clean up here lol (edited) [07:43:16] [discord] I only have the TES headcanon/RP campaign wiki, so I can probably handle flitting back and forth between fighting CSS on my stuff and helping dust off the devilman wiki [07:44:04] [discord] I also have most of the media on my disc though it's scanlated, so if there's pictures that need a recrop I can probably do that [07:46:33] [discord] oo [07:47:44] [discord] Okay, visited it so I should now exist as far as the DVMN wiki cares :D [07:51:43] [discord] Also that background is cool [07:54:07] [discord] I'll start tomorrow (it's the middle of the night for me so I'll hit the templates and the article cleanup tomorrow) [07:54:35] [discord] thanks :3 [07:54:42] [discord] you should have access now [07:54:58] [discord] seems like the last article I fixed was Demonger J5 [07:54:59] [discord] Yup! [07:55:17] [discord] you can check previous alphabetically pages as examples [07:55:33] [discord] (also belated but it's silly its wikia creator's account got global banned for Sirene images, like I can think of a whole total of THREE of her iterations that aren't tiddies) [07:55:44] [discord] ikr [07:56:10] [discord] plus there are much more spicy images skaterred around?? [07:56:24] [discord] from Crybaby and Grimoire [07:56:47]