[13:07:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64034892
[13:07:28] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Elon Musk: Only blue tick users to vote in Twitter polls on policy - BBC News | www.bbc.com
[13:07:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> And to think it can't get worse!
[13:09:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> literally pay2win
[13:22:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> pfff
[13:25:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cibryll> Nothing surprises me. -_-"
[13:29:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Tracks with him being a cryptobro
[13:31:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> for each $1 donated to Miraheze, your vote counts x 2 more! It's official!
[13:31:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> buy twitter blue, vote, chargeback?
[13:32:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> Miraheze Yellow is now being offered to all our users, for $3.99 only!
[13:32:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> you know I think there might be ways to validate the blue tick thing as shareholders or trying to enforce some sort of legitimacy, but it's clear he just ran with someone's random idea because it presumably made sense for his... weird agenda
[13:32:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> yeah it's because his argument I think is that what if the people who vote are bots
[13:33:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> The only thing that could marginally be true is that someone could create like 20 Twitter accounts and vote, but pay-to-vote isn't the way to stop that
[13:33:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> must be nice calling the group that disagrees with you bots, an easy/nebulous way to just disregard opposition
[13:34:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> what's funny is that I saw some pro-elon videos where in the comments there were quite a few folks claiming to register explicitly to vote on that poll, in essence, non-stakeholders
[13:34:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> so if there's bots it's clearly on both sides at the very least
[13:34:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cibryll> Great, now I'm randomly wondering something silly.
[13:34:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cibryll> If you are a cyborg, would you count entirely as a bot, or just partially?
[13:34:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> yeah, it's probably a combination of bots and as Miraheze would call them 'socks'
[13:35:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I'd say there is a good amount of 'meatpuppets' and vote canvassing
[13:35:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> there I do get it a little as after all if Miraheze had 1 million users voting in RfCs we couldn't really know who's a sock or not
[13:35:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> one guy went out of his way to make a video demanding votes on that poll or he'll never speak to x y and z again
[13:36:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> yeah, it's definitely both sides
[13:36:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> but in theory if I wanted to I could vote from my Reception account, my personal account, the @miraheze account and @mirahezestatus
[13:36:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I mean it's generally a terrible idea to just put an important inquiry on a simple majority poll available to every connection/ip/account which may or may not correspond with legit users
[13:36:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> Yeah. The current system is flawed but paid-only isn't the way to fix it
[13:36:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> twitter blue limits to more or less verified people, but the quality of *that* assessment, well, that's up to debate
[13:37:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I assume elon would value such votes more considering all the money being hemorrhaged
[13:37:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> I think once Musk said that his ideal political system would be majority votes on every law and no parliament per se so that's what he's doing here which is just overly simplifying complex issues
[13:37:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> you can't just have a one sentence statement and a "YES" "NO"
[13:37:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> dumb democracy produces dumber results
[13:37:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> yeah, even his "Should I step down" poll was flawed because it was unclear
[13:38:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> what does "step down" actually mean, who will replace, etc. are all questions that weren't answered yet people had to just say yes or no
[13:38:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> if you're off making polls like that I think it's pretty clear you're not taking it seriously
[13:38:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> which is the sort of shit I expect to see in backwater discord servers or communities, not for a leading internet presence
[13:39:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> a more fair way for example would've been to limit voting to users created before the poll started (as Miraheze does) or if he's really worried even 30 days or something
[13:39:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> If you have a pacemaker you're a cyborg, so now I'm wondering if there's a modification threshold or you have a bot percentage
[13:39:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> that would be an amicable compromise to get some sort of result from the broader community
[13:39:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> 1% bot
[13:39:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> or even no voting for people with no followers. There are all kinds of methods that are more fair than demanding money just because Musk is annoyed that he spent so much on something that isn't viable
[13:40:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> well now if he doesn't demand money he might see a few pennies leak out of his bottomless pocket
[13:40:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> I think the main issue is that he thinks everyone is out to get him
[13:41:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> it must be nice to be able to buy internet platforms for exorbitant amounts of money and run them into the ground
[13:41:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> So that's why he sees all these bots and fake accounts voting against him
[13:41:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> well a lot of folks are, he earned them
[13:41:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> He's been so terrible as a manger that someone actually suggested that was his secret purpose, to destroy Twitter!
[13:41:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> the 'fake/bots' thing is one of those sticking points that was started before the buyout, basically a way to dismiss criticism
[13:41:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I guess tesla is stagnating a bit given how much was made dependent on him and he's busy trolling twitter
[13:42:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> I do think there are bots, but not to the extent that is believed, as in 10% of Twitter users are bots
[13:42:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> though I should be careful as at Miraheze at least before ReCaptcha v3 I could probably say a very large percentage of creations were bots
[13:42:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> yeah rather than believing it was bots he can be sure that all Tesla's shareholders voted yes
[13:43:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> 'vote yes to keep your job'
[13:45:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> 'unless you're tech support, then I'll fire you if you correct my technobabble'
[14:18:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> yeah, uncanny timing to say my own backup drive is probably shot
[14:18:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> comes right as I need to put things in cold storage
[14:22:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> aw crap
[14:23:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I hope you had backups of anything on your backup
[14:25:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> at this point I have backups everywhere, it's how organized/timely they are
[14:26:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> but this comes at a point when I'll be leaving for quite some time; when I get back I intend to pretty much go over the setup from scratch
[14:26:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> the only question is how smoothly the transition to cold storage is so one day I can pull it out and put it into a more complete setup that I've been working on for some time
[15:59:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cibryll> Could be worse, like say, having everything backed up on 700 MB CDs that are all corrupted or something. T_T
[16:23:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> This reminds me of one of those weird 'twitch plays pokemon' streams, except it's a CEO of a major company making terrible decisions.
[16:33:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LichMaster98> Twitter runs a company!
[17:29:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I'm about to watch almost 6 hours about pressing the A button in Super Mario 64 as little as possible. I don't even play Super Mario 64.
[17:47:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> All I can/need to say
[17:47:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1054817276207058944/image.png
[17:48:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LichMaster98> This would be funny if it was a joke and not reality on twitter...
[17:49:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> "Using screenshots from Paradox Interactive games to describe real politics" is a wonderful niche. Especially when it's so accurate it hurts.