[14:01:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> about ai art, i wouldnt say i support it as in selling the thing you generated as a comission, because obviously it does not take as much time and effort as drawing something from scratch,though i will admit that i used it for my personal writing projects, in order to help me better visualize characters, settings, etc. i use artbreeder for that and it's quite fun
[14:02:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I thought it was ok only for silly shit
[14:04:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> i saw arguments both for and against and there is this one about how all art is inherently derivative, as in all painters inspire each other to some degree, and that stealing of art by AI is comparable to that, only that it's the machine that's doing it rather than a human being, though i'm not sure if i 100% agree with this assesment. just food for thought
[14:05:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> i just think this is a very much let's wait and see kinda thing. i think people have a right to be vary
[14:06:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I've got a LOT of thoughts into "all art is derivative", may I?
[14:06:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> sure, go ahead
[14:08:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> OKAY so, a point that "all art is inherently derivative" fails to understand is its twin: "humans have existed long enough that it's rare to make a brand new concept, mostly creativity and freshness comes from pulling components into novel configurations".
[14:09:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> that's true, there's famously the concept of a monomyth/hero's journey, in which many stories can fit into a general pattern
[14:09:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> As TV Tropes and All The Tropes word it: tropes exist for a reasons and tropes are tools
[14:09:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> i think we just subconsciously recreate what we know when we write our own things
[14:09:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I think if 'all art is derivative' falls into the failure of understanding depends on who purports the point and if it is done callously or not
[14:10:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> That, too! (to both of you)
[14:10:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> sampling in music industry is a heavy thing, they clear up copyrights, the first creator gets royalties, etc
[14:10:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> or you just are not allowed to sell music w/ samples you haven't cleared
[14:10:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> meanwhile professional artists get stripped away their right to just not allow the sampling, all while they still haven't catched a break w/ fucking NFTd
[14:10:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> sampling in music industry is a heavy thing, they clear up copyrights, the first creator gets royalties, etc
[14:10:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> or you just are not allowed to sell music w/ samples you haven't cleared
[14:10:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> meanwhile professional artists get stripped away their right to just not allow the sampling, all while they still haven't catched a break w/ fucking NFTs (edited)
[14:10:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> oh the nft thing is particularly nasty
[14:11:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> im not much of a gamer but i heard that since the boom of crypto, its virtually impossible to buy a good graphic card bcs the prices skyrocketed
[14:11:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> and that it leaves massive carbon footprint
[14:12:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I mean, I don't hide that I take inspirations, professionals like Jamie Hewlett never did, it's naive to think that you can make something 100% pure original nowadays
[14:12:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> but the how AI is used is completely out of proportion to what you can call an inspiration + unethical aspect
[14:13:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> my first encounter w/ harsh reality of crypto bros was looking for video card back in 2017
[14:13:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> nowadays they seem to drop in prices tho
[14:13:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> yeah, I'm lowering my expectations heavily when I look at getting graphics cards again
[14:13:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> I never needed top of the line anyway
[14:13:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Inspiration to me goes in the saying: "(Loving) imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
[14:14:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I mean, I don't hide that I take inspirations, professionals like Jamie Hewlett never did, it's naive to think that you can make something 100% pure original nowadays
[14:14:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> but way the how AI works and is used is completely out of proportion to what you can call an inspiration + unethical aspect (edited)
[14:14:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Someone was so touched by your creation that they want to emulate it
[14:14:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I mean, I don't hide that I take inspirations, professionals like Jamie Hewlett never did, it's naive to think that you can make something 100% pure original nowadays
[14:14:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> but the way how AI works and is used is completely out of proportion to what you can call an inspiration + unethical aspect (edited)
[14:14:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> even medical records were found in SD data base
[14:15:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> with the derivationality thing, it's also one thing to, say, write a fantasy story with elves, dragons etc and completely another to, idk, just steal someones worldbuilding original ideas and the story 1:1
[14:15:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> though copyright laws are very weird in that regard, at least where i live
[14:15:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> say, if i had a super original story and shared it with a friend and they wrote that very story instead of me, they would technically not break any laws because i did not copyright it in any way
[14:15:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> how ripped off it is depends on how much the underlying concepts have become generic to how people understand the medium, ie, elves in fantasy
[14:16:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> this is why many publishers first copyright the story idea with the author, especially if they are already established
[14:17:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> sampling in music industry is a heavy thing, they clear up copyrights, the first creator gets royalties, etc
[14:17:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> or you just are not allowed to sell music w/ samples you haven't cleared
[14:17:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> meanwhile even professional, established artists get stripped away their right to just not allow the sampling, all while they still haven't catched a break w/ fucking NFTs (edited)
[14:24:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> In my country you own the copyright the moment some component of it exists on a medium, which means I've accidentally copywrited a free setting I'm building by writing some flavor pieces for it and concept art for one of the species, so I'll have to conciously license it to let it out (under a Creative Commons)
[14:32:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Also that setting happens to be a perfect example of "originality is just assembling the pieces in deliberately unusual ways": I made merfolk that are basically two symbiotic organisms that are psychically connected: the merfolk is a host and it has a colony of alien DNA-rewriting virus-like half-plant-half-animal algae-zooplankton colony. 
[14:32:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> 
[14:32:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> That's all components that exist, but I'm pretty sure I'm the first one who put all of those together into one concept.
[14:32:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> 
[14:32:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> An AI wouldn't have come up with that because mitochondrial evolution, mermaids, and Foo Fighters from Jojo aren't adjacent enough for it to mash them together
[14:33:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> 100% agree
[14:33:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Also that setting happens to be a perfect example of "originality is just assembling the pieces in deliberately unusual ways": I made merfolk that are basically two symbiotic organisms that are psychically connected: the merfolk is a host and it has a colony of alien DNA-rewriting virus-like half-plant-half-animal algae-zooplankton colony. 
[14:33:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> 
[14:33:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> That's all components that exist, but I'm pretty sure I'm the first one who put all of those together into one concept.
[14:33:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> 
[14:33:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> An AI wouldn't have come up with that because mitochondrial evolution, zoophyte animals in medival bestiaries, mermaids, and Foo Fighters from Jojo aren't adjacent enough for it to mash them together (edited)
[14:33:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> i think this derivationality thing is mostly visible in things like story structure
[14:33:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> but also, curiously, i think human beings don't mind similar stories being told all over again, or even the same one
[14:34:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> like we loooove to hear all the retellings of orpheus and euridice even though we know that he will look back in the end
[14:34:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I think that's because humans like consistent patterns as well as new and novel ones.
[14:34:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> yess, people have fav tropes for a reason
[14:35:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> There was a study done in music listening that I think also works for any art, I don't remember well (it was before 2015, that's all the timeline I can give):
[14:35:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> 
[14:35:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Basically repetition makes you like something MORE.
[14:37:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> Miners and scalpers are worst of the worst
[14:37:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Like, the more you hear a song, the more you'll like it. If you're "warming up to a song", that was found to be because when something is familiar you like it more than something new.
[14:37:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> Miners and scalpers are worst of the worst
[14:37:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> Even some manufacturers are also scalpers (edited)
[14:38:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> with music i also think that the amount of original melodies that you could create are even more limited bcs well we only have 10 octaves of something
[14:38:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> of course that depends how you will arrange it and whatnot
[14:39:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> FOUND IT https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/29/why-we-love-repetition-in-music-tom-service
[14:39:37] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Stuck on repeat: why we love repetition in music | Classical music | The Guardian | www.theguardian.com
[14:39:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> correct me if im wrong bcs i know shit about music 💀
[14:42:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> You're technically correct, our HEARING ranges 10 octaves, but that alone isn't what limits original melodies
[14:45:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> You have multiple kinds of scales (minor, major, polychromic, there's this one reeally dramatic one that cinema trailers love... etc), then you have multiple kinds of instruments and techniques-- go listen to The Wu and their Mongolian throat singing incorporated into Mongolian folk metal, and then compare it to Ozzy Osborne's War Pigs. They are both in the "metal" genre.
[14:45:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> 
[14:45:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Music's repetition comes mostly from social tastes at the time it was crafted.
[14:46:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> People liked those specific sounds, musicians noticed, and made more of that specific type of sound
[14:47:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> It's part of why folk and classical music stays so strong-- their particular repetitions are basically multi-generational audio memes.
[14:49:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> (I'm not a music expert, mind, just a dude who sings and plays and has a near-perfect pitch and an uncanny ability to catch leitmotifs (that's melodies that get reused multiple times in a series, like the Pokemon battle theme)
[15:24:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> I mean yeah ofc not all combinations within those 10 octaves sound good, technically a 3 year old hammering on a piano, is "music" but does it sound good? Probably not
[16:26:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Викикот> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1055521767004831834/01f9ac612730f1a45a9d3374aa67a737.jpg
[17:03:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> always a bad idea to bring politics up dawg
[17:04:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> https://youtu.be/oJg4XbzSV9Q
[17:04:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> 
[17:04:03] <MirahezeBot>	 [YouTube] ⁨The BEAUTY of ATONAL MUSIC (performance) Schoenberg, 6 PIANO Pieces Op.19 [ABSTRACT/DISTILLED MUSIC]⁩ | 6m 40s | Channel: ⁨Pushkar Carlotto⁩ | 102,577 views | 2020-07-28 - 07:28:57UTC
[17:04:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Atonal music: did you summon me?
[17:04:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> always a bad idea to bring up politics dawg (edited)
[17:13:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> My point stand, sure that music in that video, might be a bit offputting in a way, but it is still a far cry from what a 3year old would usually hammer on a piano
[17:16:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> well piano playing is also subjective
[17:16:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> even among professionals
[17:16:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> specifically how you choose to interpret a certain piece
[17:18:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> theres this chopin competition in warsaw and people in the past rioted bcs someone they didnt like won
[17:21:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Ofc music as a whole is subjective, but I think you would have a hard time finding someone who truly likes the kind of "music" a 3 year old would usually create ||(and I say truly, to exclude specifically parents pretending to like it, because it is there child that is doing the hammering on the piano)||
[17:25:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> sure but you gotta start somewhere ig
[17:27:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Ofc, I am sure even Mozart, started by hammering on a piano as a 3 year old or something similar 😛
[17:28:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Hey, out of linguistic curiosity, are you bilingual?
[17:29:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Yes, I am natively Danish
[17:30:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> well, legend says that chopin once day sat by the piano and just played, beat that  😈
[17:30:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> well, legend says that chopin one day sat by the piano and just played, beat that  😈 (edited)
[17:30:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> as a 6 yo or sth
[17:31:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> I honestly don't think I know who Chopin is, but I assume some sort of musician too xD
[17:31:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> That's awesome! I was wondering since you don't use contractions much and that usually means multilingual. It's cool seeing people from all over the world on Miraheze
[17:31:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> how the hell you don't know who chopin is
[17:31:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> lmao
[17:35:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Chopin is a famous French composer, IIRC. (I mostly know songs because they were featured in the game Mad Maestro, which tends toward more bombastic themes)
[17:36:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> french? 😡
[17:36:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Chopin is a famous French composer, IIRC. (I mostly know classical songs if they were featured in the game Mad Maestro, which tends toward more bombastic themes, but Chopin was one of the three guys my high school band class teacher wouldn't shut up about, along with Mozard and Beethoven.) (edited)
[17:36:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Chopin is a famous French composer, IIRC. (I mostly know classical songs if they were featured in the game Mad Maestro, which tends toward more bombastic themes, but Chopin was one of the three guys my high school band class teacher wouldn't shut up about, along with Mozart and Beethoven.) (edited)
[17:37:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> he was half french half polish, was born in poland but was forced to emmigrate
[17:38:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I was mostly guessing based on his family name
[17:38:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P63s3Nw3iM
[17:38:17] <MirahezeBot>	 [YouTube] ⁨Arthur Rubinstein - Chopin Polonaise in A flat Major, Op 53 - "Heroic"⁩ | 7m 11s | Channel: ⁨ArRubMusic⁩ | 262,001 views | 2009-07-12 - 09:20:40UTC
[17:38:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> ratio
[17:38:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Dyno> @aidzymosan That link is not allowed.
[17:38:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Well guess I am not the only one :ablobshrug: , and yeah I never really listened to classical music either, so probably that. Ones taste in thing, and what country you are from can widely change what would be considered common knowledge and what things you remember anyway, even if you been taught about it
[17:38:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> why isnt it allowed
[17:39:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> dont worry im not really mad or anything 😭 he was polish and thats an important part of his life and identity
[17:39:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I did not expect to google if Chopin is French or Polish and find out there's a very intense debate on which it is lol
[17:39:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> music teacher in my school was quite a bitch but she played and talked about only classical music and tbh I'm grateful for that lol
[17:40:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> why wasnt my link allowed tho
[17:40:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> you need to auth
[17:40:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> only auth'ed members can post links
[17:40:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I stand corrected and will start to point out he was Polish and half-French, thank you for the correction! ❤️
[17:41:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> i don't know how to authenticate myself but if you guys like classical music, i recommend listening to him, especially the polonaises
[17:42:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P63s3Nw3iM I'll post the link!
[17:42:07] <MirahezeBot>	 [YouTube] ⁨Arthur Rubinstein - Chopin Polonaise in A flat Major, Op 53 - "Heroic"⁩ | 7m 11s | Channel: ⁨ArRubMusic⁩ | 262,001 views | 2009-07-12 - 09:20:40UTC
[17:42:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Ooooh, the intro gave me good shivers
[17:42:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> That's always a good sign
[17:42:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> there's many different interpretations of this particular piece like with everything but this one is my personal fav
[17:43:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I can understand why, the sound is perfect and this execution is nice and clear!
[17:44:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I think I've found what to have in the background for today!
[17:45:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Oooh, these little trillings are awesome
[17:45:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> just type /auth anywhere and you should get a DM from a bot in here to link to your discord name to your miraheze account
[17:45:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> (I've never listened to this piece before so this is my first reaction ahahah)
[17:46:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> i get an error message, whever
[17:47:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> oh wait it worked
[17:49:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> it sometimes gives an error and needs another try
[17:50:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> yasss im #verified now
[17:53:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> what do you guys use miraheze for by the way?
[17:54:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> if it's not a secret
[17:57:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> wikis xd
[17:58:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> :O
[18:01:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> so yeah, my "main" is Soft Cell and other projects of its members and another is Devilman Wiki fork off FANDOM which I had to put on hiatus due to burning out way too often this year
[18:01:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> so yeah, my "main" wiki is about Soft Cell and other projects of its members and another is Devilman Wiki fork off FANDOM which I had to put on hiatus due to burning out way too often this year (edited)
[18:03:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> so yeah, my "main" wiki is about Soft Cell and other projects of its members and another is Devilman Wiki fork off FANDOM which I wanted to fix and clean up but had to put on pause this process due to burning out way too often this year (edited)
[18:03:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> My "main" wiki is a The Elder Scrolls fandom where I fill in the plotholes and wrangle Tamriel Rebuilt's mod and Elder Scrolls Online's retcons and cut content together into something coherent-ish and also turns all the in-game UI timing and weights into real-world ones. It's... Well I have notes on my notes
[18:04:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> I am a bureaucrat (I can never spell that word right the first time...) for a (still relatively new) wiki for a NSFW game, which is really the main reason I learned about miraheze, as there are no way fandom would host that... though if I were to ever need to make another wiki I would certainly pick miraheze first by now for anything
[18:05:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I remember TES wiki on FANDOM being heavily decorated, was that removed?
[18:05:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> w/ new theme and their "code optimization" guys
[18:06:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I remember TES wiki on FANDOM being heavily decorated years ago, was that removed? (edited)
[18:06:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> IIRC it died an ignoble death when the Oasis skin was rolled out and wrecked all customization
[18:06:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> hmm it was during Oasis time 🤔
[18:07:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> Dark Souls wiki was heavily customized too
[18:07:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Before the Oasis standardization I remember it was on par with FF Wiki with basically looking like Gamepedia was hosting them
[18:09:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> This is back when it was still called Wikia, I kind of left and never looked back unless it was something that UESP doesn't have when they rebranded to Fandom
[18:10:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> when they had Monobook
[18:11:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> sadly it is basically impossible to not have to look at fandom still way too many wiki's that reside there (thank god for uBlock Origin etc)
[18:11:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> sadly it is basically impossible to not have to look at fandom, still way too many wiki's that reside there (thank god for uBlock Origin etc) (edited)
[18:16:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Han> I do a lot of stuff from a lot of fandoms and they're often the best and sometimes the only resource to quickly find what you need without having to go through the entire source material yourself
[18:17:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> uBlock Origin basically made Fandom useable again for me, though I still prefer to use any alternative I can. I lucked out so far on my fandoms having either started long before (the Nintendo Wiki alliance) or forking away from Fandom
[18:17:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> i use it for my writing project, worldbuilding stuff. i previously used a different app but it was difficult to navigate and the whole thing got bigger than me so i'm just trying to sort it out
[18:18:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <aidzymosan> i use ublock origin to block spotify ads 💀
[18:19:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I never really used Fandom for anything as I've been involved in communities which move off Fandom and Fandom refuses to close their wiki and then they're competing with a dead wiki on Google
[19:05:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <John James> How do you insert a new line within a lua config?
[19:05:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <John James> For example change 
[19:05:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <John James> 
[19:05:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <John James> Raid = False Printer = False 
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[19:05:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <John James> Raid = False
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[19:05:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <John James> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1055561721789562910/image.png
[19:05:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <John James> description = [[You like to commit terrible crimes
[19:05:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <John James>    Printers = True
[19:05:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <John James>    Raid = True]],
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[21:34:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> Do you know the Literary Agent Hypothesis?
[21:36:38] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 The what?
[21:36:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> Do you at least know Sherlock Holmes?
[21:37:47] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 Yes. "Watson, someone has stolen our tent!"
[21:38:22] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 Sir Arthur Conan Doyle never ceases to amaze.
[21:38:55] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 I like how Watson calls Doyle his literary agent.
[21:39:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> Basically, the Literary Agent Hypothesis asserts that all fiction is non-fiction.
[21:39:50] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 What?
[21:40:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> No, this isn't the World as Myth hypothesis.
[21:40:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> I'm saying all fics are real but more dramatic.
[21:41:42] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 Do you read Darths & Droids?
[21:42:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> Yes. I love R2-D2.
[21:44:29] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 It's my favourite campaign comic!
[21:44:39] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 But do you know what it's based on?
[21:44:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> Star Wars. Obviously.
[21:45:08] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 Firstly, it's pronounced "[citation needed]."
[21:45:46] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 Secondly, I meant the campaign aspect is based on DM of the Rings.
[21:47:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> What?
[21:47:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> It's like Darths & Droids, but with Lord of the Rings?
[21:47:51] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 They invented an entire genre of fiction: the campaign comic.
[21:48:03] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 It's based on a conspiracy theory:
[21:48:47] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 "What if I told you that your favourite work of fiction isn't real, but rather a D&D campaign created by a bunch of boys/men aged between 14 and 30 who live with their parents regardless of whether or not they should?"
[21:50:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> That's literally just the Literary Agent Hypothesis.
[21:51:04] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 Hey, I didn't come up with it.
[21:52:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> Seriously, what if that was it?
[21:52:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> What if our favorite Roguefic was just a D&D campaign?
[21:52:39] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 Nah, that'd be too silly.
[21:53:09] <ExboWasTaken1990>	 A game that mature is naturally exempt from conspiracy theories.
[21:53:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <ItsLazerGator> Yeah, I guess you're right.