[00:07:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> they refuse to mention miraheze on their alternate outlets list
[00:07:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> because of the ban
[00:08:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> admins dont review them, AfC reviewers do
[00:08:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> which is a large group
[00:08:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and they dont review in a particular order
[00:08:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> The Wikipedian cabal strikes again
[00:08:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> If it's any solace, we have an article on 5 other Wikipedia editions
[00:08:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[00:08:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> thats good
[00:09:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> And mediawiki.com
[00:09:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe there could be a miraheze article on the simple english wikipedia
[00:09:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i think you mean mediawiki.org
[00:09:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but yea
[00:09:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> mediawiki.org is nicer
[00:09:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Yeah
[00:09:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and more forgiving
[00:09:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and less stupid
[00:09:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> [[w:simple:Miraheze]]
[00:09:43] <wm-bot>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/simple:Miraheze
[00:09:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/simple:Miraheze>
[00:09:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> lol nope
[00:09:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> It's been deleted various times
[00:10:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraheze ah rip
[00:10:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> well most of the deletions were for vandalism or nonsense
[00:11:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Do you have a source for that as the reason?
[00:12:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Well, you grow accustomed to it so no feelings hurt lol
[00:12:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> they said so on the teahouse or whatever that place is caleld
[00:12:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and in the edit summary
[00:13:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1065061371575812136/image.png
[00:13:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i also love how they say it's run by a WMF-banned user
[00:14:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> another demonstration of not understanding how a wiki works, they aren't run by a specific person
[00:15:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Legoktm is generally amicable to all our devs
[00:15:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> so he doesn't have a blanket vendetta at least
[00:15:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[00:23:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Yeah that doesnt seem like a good reason to not include information in an encyclopedia. Would they allow the reference to MH if the creator was globally banned from mcdonalds instead of wikimedia? Doesn't make sense in this instance
[00:24:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yeah
[00:24:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ive been banned from places before
[00:24:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i am currently banned from the official genshin impact server for tos violations after i tried to reverse engineer the game
[00:24:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> doesnt mean everything i did is no longer notable
[00:25:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> (obviously i am not notable)
[00:26:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Seems like overt bias to not include something in a supposedly open encyclopedia because that something isnt convenient specifically for the encyclopedia company
[00:26:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yeah
[00:27:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Did you succeed?
[00:28:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> not really lmao
[00:28:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> there is already good research tho
[00:28:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Lol
[00:28:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> on reversing genshin
[00:28:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i still re-distribute leaks about genshin to various unofficial genshin servers tho
[00:28:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> I dont really even know what kind of game genshin is or what youd be trying to reverse engineer
[00:29:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> genshin impact is a gacha/rpg game
[00:29:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> see https://genshinimpact.miraheze.org
[00:29:28] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Genshin Impact Wiki | genshinimpact.miraheze.org
[00:31:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> So what part were you trying to reverse engineer?
[00:43:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the game as a whole
[00:43:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its a unity game
[00:43:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i wanted to get it back to the c# source
[00:49:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Wow that sounds tough
[00:49:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Yeah, developers are varying levels of friendly to poking around their assembly dlls...
[00:49:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I did that w/ the blessing of the developer of a game I helped wiki-document and created my very first mod that way. 😄
[00:50:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Nice, what language?
[00:50:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> (That was earlier last year, a huge departure from my usual applications.)
[00:51:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> used the .net framework 4.7.2 as basis, so C#
[00:52:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Ah ok, never played around with c#
[00:52:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Most of the heavy lifting was done w/ BepInEx loader and Harmony patching, so I didn't have to do *that* part at least.
[00:52:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> That lowers the barrier to entry drastically.
[00:52:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Im not experienced at all, just some little things in c++ and python
[00:54:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> What I built, if you get curious about taking a look:
[00:54:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> https://www.nexusmods.com/growsongoftheevertree/mods/2
[00:54:15] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Configurable Build Limits at Grow: Song of the Evertree Nexus - Mods and Community | www.nexusmods.com
[00:54:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Essentially added a dash of free-building and zeroing of costs to a relaxed town-building/adventure game
[00:54:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> There's more I'd like to do to make it a proper 'creative mode', but it's a good start having never written anything in C# before that project.
[00:56:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Very nice
[00:56:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Weirdly easy to pick up, though.  It reminds me a lot from when I did write stuff in Java and JS
[00:57:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Ive started getting into JS, i have occasional browser extension ideas i want to make
[01:16:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> hoyoverse threatens to sue people for leaking
[01:17:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and for reverse engineering the game
[01:17:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and they have filed lawsuits before
[01:17:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but i genuinely
[01:17:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> dont care
[01:23:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Quite the daredevil I see
[01:46:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao i guess
[01:46:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> one of my friends introduced me to pirating anime and another introduced me to bypassing paywalls
[01:46:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and i've got to say that idrc about the profits of giant corporations
[01:47:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> you go and search for something online and the only useful result requires you to increase the salary of an already rich person; you pay for a video game and then you are threatened with lawsuits if you modify the files on your own device
[01:47:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its just 😐
[01:56:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> I have mixed feelings on that front, I definitely agreed with this whole ethos a lot more when I was a broke student.
[01:56:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> 
[01:56:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> But I also prefer that artists get paid for their work and that they (and the larger studios that fund the work) can continue making more content.
[02:22:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yeah its different for small businesses, artists, etc.
[04:53:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Tomorrow's the big day, Wikipedia will finally use the Vector 2022 skin by default!
[04:53:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I'm sure there are a lot of users confused with our current default skin
[04:53:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Once Wikipedia's skin changes, they'll realize we were ahead of the curb 😎
[05:07:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yayy
[13:33:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> FYI its "ahead of the curve"
[18:20:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> whoops
[18:21:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I feel like Marjorie Taylor Greene now
[18:21:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> "for all intensive purposes" \:P
[18:21:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> lol
[18:22:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmaoo
[18:23:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Evidently, Wikipedia is copying us!
[18:23:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1065335582999466016/Screenshot_20230118-122250.png
[18:23:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> no other explanation
[18:24:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> we totally didn't jump the gun and set it as the default skin even though V22 is not the default MediaWiki skin yet
[18:24:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Heh
[18:24:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> no i think miraheze is secretly running wikimedia
[18:27:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> has anyone ever seen Agent and Jimbo in the same room?
[18:28:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> 🕵️
[18:38:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmaoo
[19:12:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Agent Jimbo, does sound like a nice name 😛
[23:27:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1065412040233062440/ug7zuev13sca1.png
[23:27:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> This but for vandalism :EpicFaceMH: