[01:17:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> maybe one day but certainly not now
[01:17:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1065439821310459956/image.png
[01:17:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> now, if our fundraiser garnered in big bucks then perhaps
[01:18:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but it barely garners enough to keep us going one year, let alone pay even a single dime
[01:18:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> at least we don't feature ads lol
[01:28:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao yea
[01:28:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it'd be great if it was realistically possible to hire a professional developer but there's no way we'd ever do that any time soon
[01:42:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> https://twitter.com/jeroenfrijters/status/1615204074588180481
[01:42:07] <MirahezeBot>	 [Twitter] Jeroen Frijters (@JeroenFrijters): The Dutch government was forced to release the source code of their DigiD digital authentication iOS app. It is written in C#. ⏎ https://github.com/MinBZK/woo-besluit-broncode-digid-app/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmpbEtgXgAIe0aE.png | 998 RTs | 8330 ♥s | Posted: 2023-01-17 - 04:27:15UTC
[01:42:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> :ThinkerMH:
[01:43:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Absolutely, I'd love to be able to afford to help people full-time, though it would take several times our current fundraising to even pay all of the volunteers like, 100 US dollars a year as a courtesy. 😄
[01:44:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> A perfectly reasonable solution, no notes. 🤣
[01:48:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> What about just like a sponsors page on Meta, where the highest donors can promote their wiki by being featured most prominently. Or is that too advertisement-adjacent?
[01:49:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> You know, I did think about something like that during the past fundraiser
[01:49:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> But idk
[01:49:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Although i dont know how much extra donation incentive that would be if its a random page noone sees
[01:50:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I see nothing wrong there \:P
[01:50:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> We could include in on [[Fundraiser]] perhaps
[01:50:18] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Fundraiser
[01:50:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Fundraiser>
[01:50:20] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Fundraiser - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[01:50:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Last year it had like 220,000 views
[01:51:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Oh yeah maybe. Does a link to it appear as a sitenotice like wikipedia?
[01:54:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> it does, during the fundraiser
[01:55:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> "NATO Cooperative Cyber Defence Centre of Excellence" depends on miraheze. Lol i dont know what that is. You have NATO using miraheze?
[01:55:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> we do, yeah
[01:55:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> We've yet to see a penny from them though 😆
[01:58:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Thats crazy. Seems like a major organization. Im not finding the wiki though. I see this, but no miraheze badge: https://cyberlaw.ccdcoe.org/wiki/Main_Page
[01:58:49] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] International cyber law: interactive toolkit | cyberlaw.ccdcoe.org
[01:59:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Wait nvm i see the miraheze notice
[02:01:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> yeah, they hid the Miraheze web badge at the bottom
[02:02:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Gotcha. Still a donate to miraheze link though
[02:03:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> thats some bad code
[02:04:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> WOW that is incredible lmao
[02:10:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Im thinking of maybe suggesting on twitter to some tech journalists that they might want to write about miraheze. Maybe someone will make a full article that can be used for wikipedia notability and itd be exposure in itself
[02:10:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> perhaps
[02:10:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but im unsure how noteworthy miraheze is
[02:11:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> like newsworthy
[02:11:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> idk what there is to write about
[02:11:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> perhaps we could tie it into some long complaint about fandom
[02:11:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> I love the people trying to look cool that ended up writing code that gives different results 🤣
[02:12:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but then that could cause issues if miraheze is only briefly mentioned
[02:13:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh yeah @florigon this is the response to your miraheze question
[02:13:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1065453810748760064/image.png
[02:13:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and heres how it was moved
[02:13:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1065453872002371595/image.png
[02:13:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oops wait
[02:13:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i thought someone else moved it
[02:14:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> I think its uniqueness as a transparent wiki farm with a very open philosophy compared to all the other options is noteworthy. Along with its already large userbase and some major sites running on it. (NATO for one lol)
[02:15:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> "See, all you gotta do is a round function to see if the result is even or odd, and then run it through this parsing function that will give you the correct number of dots..." *100 rows of code later* "Well.  That wasn't as quick as I meant."
[02:15:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Yeah i thought it might get more responses on that page
[02:15:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[02:16:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> no i know its noteworthy
[02:16:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but idk how to make that into a news story
[02:17:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Yeah im not sure, maybe a journalist will be interested enough to find a good angle
[02:17:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe
[02:17:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but idk
[02:18:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> You can tell who's who by looking for the "The biggest issue is that it shows 10 blue dots at ≥95% and defaults to full with an invalid input" type replies
[02:28:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Youre prob right, maybe itll create more newsworthy topics as it grows
[02:28:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yeah
[03:54:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh yeah
[03:54:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> about the WMF's ban of josh or whoever it is
[03:54:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the WMF is not invincible to criticism or appeal
[03:54:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_ban_of_Fram
[03:54:35] <MirahezeBot>	 [wikipedia] Wikipedia:Community response to the Wikimedia Foundation's ban of Fram | ""
[04:00:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Fram was a well known sysop on enwiki though so they definitely had quite the leverage
[04:04:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> im aware
[04:04:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> some miraheze contributors are well-known WP contributors
[04:04:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or at least one, as i've brought up before
[04:04:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i'm going to look into how many miraheze editors are also active wikipedia editors
[04:07:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> We have various MH users/volunteers who have served in high positions on WMF such as Stewards, enwiki sysops, bureaucrats, Ombusman, etc
[04:07:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[04:07:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but any effort, even in good faith, might be too short-winded
[04:07:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i do not intend to interfere with consensus, notability, etc.
[04:08:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but i think
[04:08:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1065482829112283136/image.png
[04:08:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Start an RfC to repeal [[w:WP:NOTABLE]] lol
[04:08:41] <wm-bot>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOTABLE
[04:08:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOTABLE>
[04:08:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao no
[04:08:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that'd be funny though
[04:09:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> even better, invoke [[w:WP:IAR]] 😆
[04:09:03] <wm-bot>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:IAR
[04:09:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:IAR>
[04:09:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmaoo
[04:09:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but yeah also
[04:09:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1065483112739508264/image.png
[04:09:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its not exclusively about
[04:09:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> miraheze not having an articl
[04:09:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> because as shown in the screenshot, they list things not notable enough for articles
[04:10:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> All shall be wiki warrior, shiny and chrome. 🤣
[04:10:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Mad max: wiki road
[04:14:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[04:25:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> do something similar to wmF
[04:26:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1065487304321421364/WMF_Desktop_Large_Fundraising_Banner.png
[04:26:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> like that
[04:26:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> then we can have all the billion of the dollar
[04:26:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and pay everyone
[04:26:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lots of money
[04:26:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and then fundraise
[04:26:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> more and more
[04:26:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> infinitely
[04:27:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and then scramble to fix everything when a recession hits or theres some kind of scandal or we have to defend from a lawsuit etc
[04:28:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[04:30:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Their fundraiser banner code is really complex and very tailored to their setup
[04:30:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yeah i know lmao
[04:30:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I tried copying a little and made an abomination
[04:30:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> rip
[04:56:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> Isn't the Jimmy Wales guy in the Fran's ban is the dude who co-founded Wikia?
[04:57:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> yeah he co-founded Wikia
[04:59:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yes, jimmy wales co-founded wikia
[04:59:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> wikia was fine **when** it was founded
[04:59:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> now its hell
[04:59:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> as far as i know he has little to no involvement ini t
[05:12:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://reallifevillains.miraheze.org has become a mess
[05:12:43] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Real Life Villains Wiki | reallifevillains.miraheze.org
[05:12:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i wanted to clean up the citations on some articles
[05:13:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> there are too many pages for me to ever complete this
[05:13:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> there are 6k articles
[05:13:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i decided to edit the ones about homophobia and the westboro baptist church
[05:13:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it took way too long
[05:13:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> at this rate it'll take weeks to months  for me to get all of it done when accounting for school, irl stuff, etc.
[11:11:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Han> individual wikis can be so hit or miss but as an editor it has mostly been miss. i tried adding sources and ended up having my edits replaced by non-sourced statements, being yelled at by another user, have my messages deleted, and be ignored by admins when I tried to contact them for conflict resolution. I don't know if there's something fandom can do about it and I don't want to blame them if not but aside from twi
[11:34:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Blad> why even bother at that point
[14:07:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DarkMatterMan4500> I've noticed some things have been changed up on this server.
[14:14:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> irc relay re arranged
[16:19:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> because
[16:19:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> stubborn
[16:21:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> fandom is hell
[16:46:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> hey guys i found out how to get more miraheze donations
[16:46:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1065673493057912842/image.png
[18:25:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> are all the sysops, admins, etc of miraheze brits?
[18:38:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> Pretty sure there's at least a couple North Americans
[18:40:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> oh ok
[18:48:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Not sure exactly whether I'm in that set, but I'm US, pacific time. 🙂  I just happen to work east coast-ish hours
[18:50:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> not sure if you're in the north american set lol?
[18:50:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> oh admins lol got it, yeah anyone with power
[18:51:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> east coast here
[19:19:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> Not everyone is from the UK, not at all
[19:19:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> Void, MacFan, Universal Omega are all based in the US
[19:43:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> ah ok cool
[20:33:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I've finally returned to wiki stuff after accidental break of getting sucked into website css stuff, with newfound knowledge of "oh hey I can nest CSS inside CSS instead of repeating most of a selector"
[20:37:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> good work
[20:37:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Thank you!
[20:37:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> np
[20:38:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Now I just need to go wrangle Vector sidebars into looking like Morrowind UI windows.
[22:45:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Universal Omega doesn’t sleep so it’s hard to guess where he’s based
[22:46:22] <CosmicAlpha>	 Hey lol
[22:48:19] <RhinosF1>	 CosmicAlpha: :)
[22:48:55] <RhinosF1>	 I’m the opposite of you
[22:49:16] <RhinosF1>	 I’m going to bed now otherwise I won’t wake up in 7.5 hours time
[23:20:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/fandom-layoffs-giant-bomb-gamespot-metacritic-tv-guide-1235495258/
[23:20:48] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Fandom Layoffs: Giant Bomb, GameSpot, Metacritic, TV Guide Sites Hit - Variety | variety.com
[23:20:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Yikes
[23:30:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> fandom works by acquiring companies vaguely related to what it wants to do, firing most of the company's employees, banning anyone who doesn't like what they are doing, forcing terrible changes upon everyone, and then reaping in the profits
[23:30:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> this will only be sustainable for so long
[23:30:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> at some point there will be a [[w:user revolt]]
[23:30:54] <wm-bot>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_revolt
[23:30:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_revolt>
[23:31:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> fandom came very close to that with UCP and only barely managed to prevent people on community central from just refusing to cooperate
[23:32:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> over time as they screw up more and more websites they will eventually hit a point where people refuse to comply and their actions become no longer profitable
[23:33:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and they also like to use intrusive advertisements that sell personal information