[00:09:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <SitOnA-Rick [PS4]> I was just reading the channel history and decided to donate $5.00 USD to the cause... It's not much but that's all I can afford right now. Thanks for providing a free and very customizable alternative to the devil spawn that is Fandom... Y'all keep being awesome!
[00:23:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Thank you for the support, every single cent is appreciated to help us keep going for many years to come!
[00:43:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> everyone appreciates it very much, thank you!
[03:20:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> people are more likely to donate towards a specific person rather than an organization
[03:21:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> thats why those organizations that feed the orphans and everything like to give you specific stories
[03:21:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> so maybe give some story about how *helpful* miraheze is
[03:21:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the funny thing is that story is only going to make sense if you already have experience with wiki hosts like fandom lmao
[03:22:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> hmm
[03:33:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> *For only 5 dollars a day, you too can keep wayward NotArachams approving requests...*
[03:33:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> An interesting idea, but I'm not sure the same concept is as readily applied.  Food for thought, thouh.
[03:34:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao yea
[03:34:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> fair point
[04:01:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> welp real life villains has been closed by miraheze
[04:01:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> very sad
[04:01:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i am disappointed
[04:16:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> says temporarily closed on the website.  does that mean manually closed to rework the site?
[04:16:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> no clue
[04:17:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> only god knows
[04:17:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> (well and stewards too)
[04:20:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> yeah, we had gotten a lot of complaints about it but hadn't had time to look into it
[04:20:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> less than 200 out of 6000 pages are sourced
[04:20:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> which is very, very bad
[04:23:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that makes sense
[04:23:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i was trying to add sources
[04:24:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but i didnt have the time
[04:24:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> to do them all
[04:28:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> That's a noble effort
[04:28:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Bad timing I guess
[04:28:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> This stems from a report we got about a page on there defaming someone
[04:28:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Had 0 sources and was actively cited by internet trolls
[04:29:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[04:29:34] <Umbire>	 I'm not sure what was expected to be honest
[04:29:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[04:29:48] <Umbire>	 just from a casual reading of this
[04:29:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> maybe some day there could be a cleanup of it
[04:30:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but how it is it needs to be fundamentally re-written
[04:30:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Essentially, yeah
[04:30:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I didn't realize it but they also got kicked off Fandom
[04:31:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i can see why
[04:31:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> although that being said fandom usually kicks off opinion-based wikis that have nothing to do with their scope
[04:31:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> true
[04:32:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oh yeah fun story: i think there was one time when after they re-purposed wikia, they said they would keep wikis on more serious topics still on wikia.org but move the rest to fandom.com
[04:32:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> *some* of the wikis they kick off, they're justified in doing so
[04:32:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> so one stayed on like lbgtq.wikia.org etc
[04:32:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but for some reason
[04:32:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> they didnt want to keep cancer.wikia.org back there
[04:32:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> (its about like resources for cancer survivors)
[04:32:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> or maybe it was for strokes i forgot
[04:32:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and grouped it with the less serious topics
[04:32:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> im sure it was a mistake but i cant believe they werent paying closer attention
[04:32:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea makes sense
[04:33:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Ah yes, cancer.fandom.com, the cancer fandom
[04:33:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> They should've honestly kept the wikia.org branding
[04:34:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Wikis like depression.fandom.com, holocaust.fandom.com, and others really don't sound good
[04:34:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmaoo yea
[08:31:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I remember that, hell
[08:31:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> no brain in management department
[08:59:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> It's all about money
[10:22:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cibryll> Wait, are all pages required to be sourced or something?
[10:24:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Might just be for potentially damaging information. From the content policy:
[10:24:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> "Miraheze does not host wikis which spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people.
[10:24:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> 
[10:24:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> Content on wikis must be fairly balanced, meaningful or substantiated by independent referencing. Wikis which have a clearly identifiable comedic or satire value are exempt from needing to substantiate claims as these provide a meaningful value in terms of relevant content. "
[10:29:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> It's not really that strict but basically if claiming a person did X bad things, you need to source that as otherwise it could be defamation/libel
[10:29:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> so obviously if you say great things about someone, no one is really going to mind that it's unsourced
[10:31:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> cc @Cibryll
[10:52:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cibryll> Ah, okay~
[11:18:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> If you’re giving a negative comment and it’s not comedic, it should be sourced
[11:19:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> E.g. don’t accuse someone of being a pedophile like some wikis do unless you can prove they are
[11:19:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> But also note that if it’s criminal activity we will use the criminal proof
[11:20:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> So it should be beyond reasonable doubt
[11:20:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> If it’s just libel, you must be able to say your claim is more likely than not
[11:23:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> “A is liable for saying anything to C about B which would be apt to make the average citizen think worse of the latter.”
[11:24:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> The defences being
[11:24:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> shows that the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held, even if they were motivated by dislike or hatred of the plaintiff.
[11:24:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> If the defendant's comments were made in Parliament, or under oath in a court of law, they are entitled to absolute privilege. This privilege is absolute: qualified privilege protects only the communication of the complained statement.
[11:25:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Reports and remarks of Parliamentary proceedings, as well as reports of judicial proceedings attract qualified privilege.
[11:25:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> proves on the balance of probabilities that the statement was true.
[11:26:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Cc @Reception123 @Cibryll
[11:26:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Quoting most from Wikipedia on UK law
[11:30:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> yeah, though of course before legal matters we apply our (more strict) Content Policy
[11:30:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> @Reception123 that clause mostly follows the law tbh
[11:30:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> It’s not really any more strict
[11:31:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Make the average person think worse is not really that high of a barrier
[11:32:36] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> well the law doesn't explicitly require sourcing, so in that regard it is
[11:34:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> @Reception123 well the law requires proof
[11:35:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> As a defence
[11:35:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> So yes it does
[11:35:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Other than proof, you could claim qualified privilege and use someone privileged as a source
[11:35:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> But generally yes the law does
[13:40:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Stephanus Tavilrond> Already prepared for the update 😉
[13:40:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Stephanus Tavilrond> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066351683543765042/Screenshot_20230121_143932.png
[13:45:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> Darn, that burns a bit
[13:45:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Stephanus Tavilrond> I'm not taking any chances - after the second time, I have decided to exercise precaution and take matters into my own hands.
[15:18:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Han> trying to yoink templates from wikipedia when you have 0 computer skills:
[15:18:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Han> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066376183790457003/789r55.jpg
[15:27:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Gummiel> Even with Computer skills, it should still scare you tbh 😉
[15:29:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> the update is too soon, isn't it?
[15:29:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <LuciferianThomas> in 6 hours
[15:29:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> Or somehow Discord is broken on my PC
[15:30:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> Discord says the update is next day
[15:30:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> 🤔
[16:31:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <paladox> Rishi sunak got fined :ottermirth:
[16:32:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <paladox> Another law breaking prime minister (2nd in history after Boris)
[16:51:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmaoo
[16:51:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i understand a bit of lua
[17:03:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> "Seatbeltgate" British politics don't have the right to be this funny
[17:05:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> wait the fine is really about that seatbelt video? lol
[17:07:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> basically all i know about him is he's prime minister and theres a video of him without a seatbelt
[17:08:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Cabra> Yep
[17:15:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <florigon> lol nice
[18:23:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> well technically I think he also got fined for Partygate so that's his second fine yet
[23:09:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Blad> Almost lost my edits as i forgot maintenance was happening 😦
[23:09:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> good work
[23:10:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Blad> Hopefully VE saves my edits but just in case I just pasted it into a doc