[00:24:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I need to remember to help clean up the Devilman wiki, I finally got around to a measly four more pages of infobox fixing because executive dysfunction decided to rear its big ugly mug again and I nearly fell into Pokemon instead.
[00:25:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> One day I'll have the attention management of a full adult and stop getting distracted by cute monsters.
[03:45:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Interesting to see
[03:45:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066926726770348112/Screenshot_20230122-203945.png
[03:48:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Ooyama> https://youtu.be/jaBbMnoA0ak
[03:48:26] <MirahezeBot>	 [YouTube] ⁨What is the Best Wiki on the Internet?⁩ | 15m 30s | Channel: ⁨Cybershell⁩ | 28,791 views | 2023-01-22 - 20:00:12UTC
[04:00:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> where was that posted lmao
[04:00:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> on the "competitor" site
[04:00:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> fandom server?
[04:01:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if so im pretty sure that my friend who got me this account had gotten themselves banned from the fandom server a while ago
[04:01:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> 😂
[04:01:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[04:02:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i had an alt that i use to access the fandom server
[04:02:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but i have no account to verify it with
[04:03:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i will look into possibly making a throwaway fandom account to verify there
[04:03:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> for obvious reasons i cant specify what account(s) i use to join the fandom server
[04:05:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i find it probable that is @Twisted from this server trying to see what the "competitor" would say or whatever (i am pinging them to ask if this is the case)
[04:12:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066933374394056744/image.png
[04:14:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the account they verified with on the fandom server has no bio or pfp https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/MangaNew11
[04:14:38] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] User contributions for MangaNew11 | Community Central | Fandom | community.fandom.com
[04:15:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yeah im probably right about that, well good work @Twisted getting that response lmao
[04:17:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> im going to go get betterdiscord and showhiddenchannels on my alt so i can see if theres any interesting metadata in the fandom server
[04:19:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> ooo
[04:19:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> that'd be interesting
[04:21:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yes it would be lmao, gimme a moment
[04:28:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> things of interest:
[04:28:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066937329899548702/image.png
[04:28:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066937330163785818/image.png
[04:28:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066937330373505024/image.png
[04:28:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066937330579017808/image.png
[04:28:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066937330801319976/image.png
[04:28:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066937331069759488/image.png
[04:28:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066937331354964040/image.png
[04:28:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066937331543711744/image.png
[04:28:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066937331770208276/image.png
[04:28:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> there isnt a whole lot, im sure they expected someone to try this
[04:28:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> nothing about seo, business, etc. but it does give an idea of how the server is run
[04:29:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if you have an account you can look through the things that people post in #analytics lmao, they completely ignore the big large message saying not to share the data witout permission
[04:32:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> "without permission" here is the normal user share admin data
[04:32:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> admin share their data are nomal
[04:34:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> That's quite interesting
[04:34:45] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> technically #analytics page can be only accessed by admins and above
[04:34:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> searched the keyword seo:
[04:34:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066939041972494376/image.png
[04:34:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066939042349973594/image.png
[04:34:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066939042693910568/image.png
[04:34:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066939042979119234/image.png
[04:34:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066939043436302356/image.png
[04:34:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> theres a lot more but i need to eat
[04:35:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i am talking about the server in the discord
[04:35:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> oh forgot, not #analytics but the actual analytic page on the wiki
[04:35:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[04:35:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yeah the analytics page on the wiki says not to share it
[04:36:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but the discord channel doesnt remind anyone of that
[04:36:35] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> well, I guess that just some ancient stuffs pre-Fandom
[04:37:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> from the best practices channel
[04:37:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066939638322835456/image.png
[04:48:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Twisted> yeh i was trying to see what they would say cuz rn my mira wiki is beating a fandom wiki but losing to wikipedia
[04:50:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[04:50:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> The reason why Fandom mostly have higher ranking than Miraheze because they have much more "high quality" wikis
[04:50:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Twisted> lol true
[04:51:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> fandom.com has good domain authority
[04:51:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Twisted> people are just too lazy/too adjust to fandom to switch
[04:51:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> & backlinks
[04:51:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> Also another problem with Miraheze is that MH do allow custom domain
[04:51:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Twisted> tru
[04:51:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea but there's no way we'd stop doing that
[04:51:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> even though it can have SEO drawbacks
[04:52:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> I think Google did grab wikis through Wikidata
[04:53:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> wikidata is cc0
[04:53:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> so that makes sense
[04:54:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> And we don't have any backlink on Wikidata
[04:54:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> This is the third problem that affect SEO
[04:54:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> ^could be the largest issue
[04:55:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> despite what the google CEO said to congress about humans not manually influencing search results i feel strongly that someone manually chose to source data from wikidata
[04:55:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> its both a user experience and copyright benefit
[05:32:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> from fandom server as well
[05:32:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1066953547058524180/image.png
[05:57:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> you can make discord window smaller and take more square looking screenshots of messages
[05:58:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> long pics are hard to read on both mobile and desktop
[06:16:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that is a good idea
[06:22:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> thank you
[06:22:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> I'm a pretty exhausted from irl work, mostly mentally
[06:22:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Legroom> and I forgot I promised migrate smaller wiki off fandom
[09:41:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Han> about the whole fandom server thing: I'm constantly looking up stuff there like SEO and such, it's not really a covert situation?
[12:01:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> No worries, slow and steady wins the race as they say! And self car is important, you take all the time to rest that you need!
[12:59:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Blad> huh
[12:59:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Blad> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1067066058260893776/IMG_0611.jpg
[12:59:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Blad> interesting update
[14:56:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> Aren't there enterprise sponsors for Miraheze?
[14:58:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <DeletedUser> What is lacking to remunerate a bit volunteers under Mediawiki principles if that's conceivable?
[15:14:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> Nope
[15:14:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> There's enterprises which *use* Miraheze but no one who directly sponsors it
[15:21:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> As for the remuneration part, we already barely get enough funds to keep the servers up so it's really not possible to give _anything_ to any volunteers at this moment
[15:49:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> Sadly most ppl would prefer sell their data to some kind of ad company rather than pay $1/m to support freedom
[16:18:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> my mom says she doesn't want companies to have her data but she has no good alternatives to most of the products she uses
[16:18:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and yeah its true duckduckgo and ecosia both have worse results than google
[16:18:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> one of the local stores gives her discounts in exchange for a membership where she has to provide a lot of personal information about herself but it'd be way too expensive to find anywhere else to shop
[16:25:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> 😂
[16:28:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <max20091> funny and sad
[16:41:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> if 650 users (exceptionally this year due to high energy prices) paid that per month that's all we'd need to stay up!
[16:42:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Reception123> We always encourage small donations as even though individually people might think $1 won't make a difference it really does!
[22:19:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if everyone who visited miraheze donated just $10 our staff could be very rich and flex on instagram