[02:00:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> Since 2014, Miraheze has provided free, non-profit, and open-source domain registration, managed entirely by volunteers, to people of all backgrounds with diverse interests.
[02:00:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> 
[02:00:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> We do not make any money from maintaining this website. If it wasn't for the kind donations of people like you, the wiki you're reading right now would never be able to have been kept online.
[02:00:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> 
[02:00:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> This year, if only 650 of our 365,456 users donated $1 each month, Miraheze could stay online this entire year without worrying about finances.
[02:00:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> 
[02:00:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> If this month on Miraheze brought you $1 worth of knowledge, entertainment, or enjoyment, please consider donating. And, if you can't, you can always donate your time - make an edit, report vandalism, submit translations, or propose updates to our open-source code.
[02:00:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> being like wmf 😎
[02:00:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i got the 365,456 number by using `{{NUMBEROFUSERS}}` on loginwiki, it can by dynamically updated of course
[02:00:46] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:NUMBEROFUSERS 
[02:02:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> atm that's 0.18% of our users but idk if such a calculation could be made dynamically
[02:02:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> oops i accidentally wrote domain registration instead of wiki hosting bc i was spacing out, fixed that
[02:03:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Great sample text. 😆 Funny thing, domain hosting is one of the things the community has brought up if MH ever had paid components to the service
[02:10:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> speaking of domains
[02:10:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> it's been suggested in the past that we could potentially use affiliate links on a few pages to help MH earn a few extra bucks. No overt advertisments but like, for example, a link on [[Custom domains]] saying "If you're thinking of using X host, click here to use our affiliate link to help us out"
[02:10:51] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains
[02:10:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Wiki-Bot> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains>
[02:10:52] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Custom domains - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org
[02:10:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> stuff of that sort
[02:10:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> possibly
[02:10:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but
[02:10:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> if it started making up a large amount of our revenue
[02:10:58] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> it could make us too dependent on commercial companies
[02:10:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I seriously doubt we'll ever make more than a dollar out of it lol
[02:11:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> also have to carefully inspect privacy policies to make sure they wouldnt be like selling information about people using miraheze
[02:11:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> it's also been suggested that we should become a reseller
[02:11:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> We have traffic, but we don't have THAT kind of traffic
[02:11:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> heh yeah
[02:11:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> though last month, I think the CN adveraged 10,000 viewers an hour or something
[02:11:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> damn thats impressive
[02:11:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> probably because of db141 but still lol
[02:11:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[02:11:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> when i first had the idea to make genshinimpact.miraheze.org i asked the general chat in collei mains if its a good idea
[02:11:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and someone said they know about miraheze because theres a miraheze wiki about a game they play
[02:11:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> word of mouth really helps attract users
[02:12:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Was it me? Did I do that wiki-crime? 😂
[02:12:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> indeed
[02:12:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the reason people know about fandom at this point though is that its the top result for so many things
[02:13:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> Jokes aside, that's how I found MH as well.  It was suggested by the game's community as I was launching my second project
[02:13:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[02:13:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[02:13:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> The main reason I'm here is because of the Catacomb wiki, it was linked on a Youtube playthrough by an user who exclusively plays old DOS games
[02:14:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> oh wow, that's really cool actually
[02:14:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I didn't realize so many users stumbled upon us by word of mouth
[02:15:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> wikimedia foundation donate banner source code:
[02:15:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> <https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:LandingPage>
[02:15:13] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Make your donation now - Wikimedia Foundation | donate.wikimedia.org
[02:15:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> <https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Styleguide/Banner>
[02:15:14] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Styleguide/Banner - Wikimedia Foundation | donate.wikimedia.org
[02:15:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> can find more stuff here probably: <https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&limit=50&days=7&urlversion=2>
[02:15:21] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Recent changes - Wikimedia Foundation | donate.wikimedia.org
[02:15:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> trying to click onto that wiki's home page, about page, etc. redirects you to foundation.wikimedia.org
[02:16:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> thank you page: <https://thankyou.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thank_You/en>
[02:16:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> 
[02:16:21] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and other things here: <https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:AllPages>
[02:16:22] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] All pages - Wikimedia Foundation | donate.wikimedia.org
[02:17:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao <https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page>
[02:17:31] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Main Page - Wikimedia Foundation | donate.wikimedia.org
[02:19:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> they run a super complex setup to power their donation site
[02:19:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> IIRC, it also uses a non-MediaWiki platform as a backend
[02:19:24] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> that is true
[02:19:30] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> but the frontend is rigged mediawiki
[02:19:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> I tried to set it up myself but the extension just had so many pre-requisites
[02:19:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> might as well not use MediaWiki lol
[02:19:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> when i have this kind of issue happening trying to import a template
[02:20:00] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i go into devtools
[02:20:06] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and copy the source code of whatever i want to steal
[02:20:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> works like a charm
[02:20:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> thats how i get most of the fandom genshin wiki's templates onto the miraheze genshin wiki
[02:21:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Adam82> anyone here heard of Telepedia? well wikis are public but i can make my wiki private. but, they delete like three wikis https://meta.telepedia.net/wiki/Special:WikiDiscover?language=any&category=any&state=deleted&visibility=any maybe thet are inactive?
[02:21:06] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] WikiDiscover | Meta Wiki | meta.telepedia.net
[02:21:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> yes, it's run by Original Authority and uses many of our extensions which is why they have things like CreateWiki, ManageWiki, and WikiDiscover
[02:22:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> but they focus only on TV/movie wikis
[02:22:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> ah yes the "let's see what's under the hood" and "if I break that what happens?" methods of learning to code. pretty much how I'm learning most of this stuff so far.
[02:25:08] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[02:27:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I started off just turning things `#F00` everywhere and looking for the MSPaint red before I FINALLY learned how to use the inspector
[02:28:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> good work
[02:28:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I've gone a long way since that "take someone else's code, turn things red and then change its colors to what you want" step of my journey (way way back on Neopets in like 2004)
[02:29:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> now I'm stealing javascript and jquery and squinting at it to figure out how to make it do fancy things
[02:30:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> good work
[02:30:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> lmao
[02:30:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> thank you thank you
[02:40:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> .....................well I'll be, I just finally found what ruby is in HTML and CSS.
[02:40:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> 
[02:40:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I thought it was Ruby like, the programming language that's used for older RPG maker scripting.
[02:40:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> 
[02:40:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Turns out it's the smalltext for alternate readings of words, like when a kanji has multiple readings possible. Which is VASTLY more useful for me given a lot of my fandoms use Significant Kanji Meanings in its names.
[02:44:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I might actually be able to use this to make dragon language layman-readable on my Elder Scrolls wiki yay!
[02:44:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> wasnt aware of that
[02:44:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> anyway ruby still has uses beyond old rpg games
[02:48:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> Oh absolutely, it's just that the only reason *I'm* learning Ruby is because I faff around in RPG Maker XP and VX Ace
[02:51:01] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[02:51:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i see
[02:52:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> (partly because there's a LOT of community scripts around those, and they've replicated just about every RPG game under the sun, so it's a lot of hands-on experience I can look through)
[02:54:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> I'm especially interested in the work of a french guy who managed to make a first-person dungeon crawler engine for it in 2016, complete with his own dungeon editor.
[02:56:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> but I'm trying to finish what I have going right now before I get lost in that code next lmao
[04:33:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> ⚡  Testing out how to link
[04:33:54] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1067251296219971604
[04:33:54] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Discord | discord.com
[04:33:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> ⚡  Testing out how to link
[04:36:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> [ https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1067251296219971604 ]
[04:36:26] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Discord | discord.com
[04:40:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> **__a link to somewhere__**
[04:40:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> [https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1067251296219971604]
[04:40:11] <MirahezeBot>	 [url] Discord | discord.com
[04:40:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> omg it works
[04:41:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> this is so fantastic
[04:41:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> no
[04:42:04] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> maybe i did it wrong
[04:42:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> ugh
[04:44:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> okay at least i can make the link pop
[04:47:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> @Neo Qwerty 
[04:47:44] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> did i follow your instructions correctly?
[04:47:46] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> 
[04:47:47] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> when i create the 
[04:47:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> 
[04:47:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> **__`Like this:`__**
[04:47:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> `[`then the link goes here`]`
[04:47:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> 
[04:47:53] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> is this the way the link should look should look?
[05:04:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> yup, pretty much. when you click on them it shmooves me to the post fine
[05:07:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> awesome 🙂 my link does stand out a bit more. 
[05:07:57] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> 
[05:07:59] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> thank you so much for this tip.
[05:09:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Neo Qwerty> No problem, anything to help keep multiple links from turning into a wall of blue numbers
[05:09:37] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> lol that is so true!  i have walls of blue
[05:10:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <imamy> anything to make something stand out will make me happy
[15:40:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> honestly, I wish Wikibase was simpler to use/manage, it would be very useful for a lot of wikis
[15:40:49] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> but everything seems overly complicated
[16:43:40] <ugochimobi>	 @Lake I honestly don't see anything complicated in Wikibase... We're just being lazy to properly implement the shit. 
[17:03:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> ugochimobi: I tried to use it once, but I was very confused :P
[17:04:11] <ugochimobi>	 @Lake ah, lol, I don't know, but, I've never been confused.
[17:04:37] <ugochimobi>	 It would make sense if you could use it too though, honestly :)
[17:06:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Lake> I was thinking about using it as an experiment I already tried but failed, but well, I may try again