[00:11:20] [discord] No companies or organizations ask support to setup a Miraheze? [00:12:02] [discord] Priority support makes a feature of some open source companies [02:52:22] [discord] maybe that'd be an idea [02:52:34] [discord] but again it might make us too dependent on commercial platforms [02:57:19] [discord] They do but they generally ask on the [[Community noticeboard]] or sometimes on here but generally they receive the help they need for free so [02:57:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_noticeboard [02:57:20] [discord] [02:57:20] [url] Community noticeboard - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [02:57:22] [discord] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [04:41:10] [discord] yeah fair [04:41:22] [discord] maybe there could be some kind of "professional" support for companies [04:41:30] [discord] like a zendesk system or whatever that is "specal" [04:41:42] [discord] and with more resources for their wiki or whatever [04:41:42] [discord] idrk [04:46:16] [discord] it would be $99/month [04:46:28] [discord] @Agent can correct me if i'm wrong but i don't believe MH has the funds [04:47:06] [discord] find a foss version of zendesk [04:47:15] [discord] like what [04:47:17] [discord] we have phab ig [04:47:22] [discord] no [04:47:26] [discord] phab is a public issue tracke [04:47:27] [discord] yikes [04:47:31] [discord] go on github [04:47:34] [discord] $49/mo/agent [04:47:37] [discord] search for zendesk alternatives [04:47:37] [discord] that's a lot lol [04:47:44] [discord] put it on a miraheze subdomain [04:47:48] [discord] then charge corporations for access to it [04:47:51] [discord] say its the *premium* support [04:47:56] [discord] 😎 [04:48:23] [discord] The issue with that is that (at least I would) we'd feel that it's a bit unfair to monetize something but not pay our sysadmins anything [04:48:39] [discord] ah [04:48:40] [discord] thats fair [04:48:41] [discord] this is the same reason why the premium subscription for Miraheze idea has never materialized [04:48:52] [discord] yea [04:49:28] [discord] though a Miraheze+ service would be funny to envision [04:49:35] [discord] yupppp [04:49:38] [discord] i was shocked when i saw it [04:49:39] [discord] lmao yeah [04:49:42] [discord] same [04:49:46] [discord] who pays that much for a support system oml [04:49:52] [discord] there are so many foss alternatives [04:50:00] [discord] it would be nice to eventually pay sysadmins [04:50:23] [discord] Disney+, Discovery+, Hulu Live TV+++, oh what's that you say? Miraheze+! [04:50:28] [discord] some day if i become a rich billionaire i'll donate some tens of thousands of dollars to miraheze [04:50:35] [discord] i wont become rich tho sadly [04:50:36] [discord] that is the dream [04:50:40] [discord] lmao yea [04:56:36] [discord] maybe we should hire someone on fiverr or whatever to fix all the errors in miraheze [04:57:26] [discord] like a professional in software engineering or something, just tell them to fix createwiki and change the update system to have no downtime [04:58:10] [discord] If only it were that easy [04:58:15] [discord] CreateWiki is very complicated [04:58:28] [discord] Also, you may not realize it but all of our sysadmins work in IT \:P [04:58:32] [discord] oh [04:58:36] [discord] im surprised lmao [04:58:38] [discord] my bad [04:58:51] [discord] i thought most/all of them were hobbyists [04:58:54] [discord] btw has SRE decided upon the Community Wishlist yet [04:59:03] [discord] that's been stale for a few weeks now [04:59:30] [discord] lol yeah, I did too but yeah, all of them work in IT in various fields like coding, infrastructure, network engineering, etc. [04:59:39] [discord] yea [04:59:50] [discord] I left it open a bit longer to see if anything else happened but no [04:59:53] [discord] I'll probably close it later [04:59:55] [discord] damn i'm surprised that fandom has been able to also hire professionals and doesnt have the same amount of downtime [05:00:01] [discord] i guess they really can just throw money at problems [05:00:05] [discord] i closed the voting process a while ago [05:00:58] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2023/votestat [05:00:59] [url] Community Wishlist Survey 2023/votestat - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [05:01:04] [discord] it was said to close on Jan 7 [05:01:22] [discord] so on Jan 7 I closed it (I also opened on Jan 1 because it was supposed to open Dec 31 but no one did) [05:01:28] [discord] maybe i should spy on fandom's linkedin, indeed, etc. postings and see what they're up to [05:01:31] [discord] Our biggest issue is that our infrastructure can't really scale that well. We have 6 servers to serve 3-5 million viewers a day. If we had more money to throw at it then you'd be seeing smooth sailing [05:01:46] [discord] yea [05:01:53] [discord] the CreateWiki issue is really ancillary, it's just a misbehaving cache [05:02:08] [discord] yea [05:02:11] [discord] makes sense [05:02:18] [discord] if i overstepped @Agent, apologies [05:02:24] [discord] that's fine [05:03:06] [discord] We do have plans to make upgrades smoother though [05:03:11] [discord] close to being fixed? or something that's going to stick aroundf [05:03:57] [discord] found on indeed [05:03:57] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1067671145383477258/image.png [05:04:01] [discord] that sounds about right [05:04:02] [discord] We want to implement multiversion which would mean that we can quickly change the MediaWiki version of individual wikis and upgrade them individually versus our current approach of switching them all at the same time [05:04:21] [discord] I can guess who that is lol [05:04:25] [discord] probably pcj [05:04:35] [discord] yes [05:04:38] [discord] had the same theory [05:04:43] [discord] pcj? [05:04:48] [discord] you havent heard? [05:05:06] [discord] He's a former Wiki Representative and managed a lot of very big wikis on Fandom [05:05:08] [discord] i think i've heard of the name before but i have no direct memory of them [05:05:20] [discord] he ultimately quit and brought down the Discord verification bot in their server [05:05:21] [discord] what happened [05:05:31] [discord] fandom had it coming [05:05:36] [discord] in his resignation latter [05:05:53] [discord] he essentially said the work environment is terrible, toxic, stressful, and pays horribly for the stress and difficulty of the job [05:06:16] [discord] I think someone mentioned he managed like 500 wikis when other WRs at most managed like 20 [05:06:21] [discord] my friend who gave this discord account to me (long story for another day) used to moderate a fandom wiki where someone spammed child porn in discussions so i can see where he's coming from [05:06:32] [discord] oh wow [05:06:35] [discord] yea [05:06:36] [discord] that's tough [05:06:38] [discord] uhhhhh [05:06:39] [discord] indeed [05:06:41] [discord] so actually [05:07:03] [discord] fandom's customer support (and similar) employees are essentially given a bait-and-switch into trust & safety [05:07:07] [discord] @Agent i don't believe the #miraheze-meetings IRC channel was ever locked [05:07:19] [discord] great work everyone 😎 [05:07:24] [discord] lmao [05:07:38] [discord] Discord side it's been closed, think we might've overlooked it on the IRC side though [05:07:45] [discord] Fandom's trash [05:07:50] [discord] yea [05:08:08] [discord] should be locked [05:08:08] [discord] oh wait shit i remember him [05:08:13] [discord] he frickin hated me [05:08:39] [discord] like he would interject himself into conversations when i was there (back in my fandom days) and just start being an ass [05:08:44] [discord] about me [05:08:46] [discord] tbf, a lot of people did before 2020 [05:09:08] [discord] uhhhhhhhh so actually we don't talk about that haha [05:09:15] [discord] bad times [05:09:18] [discord] LMAO [05:09:19] [discord] yea [05:09:32] [discord] wait before 2020 [05:09:35] [discord] or before 2022 [05:09:38] [discord] cuz like [05:09:46] [discord] i very much wasn't loved in 2020 on miraheze [05:09:51] [discord] LMFAO so this reminds me of when someone with the pfp and name of mee6 on their account joined the fandom server and said "hi" and pcj said "go away" and the person replied "ok" and left [05:09:54] [discord] well, I missed your character progression arc between 2020-2022 [05:10:05] [discord] so I say before 2020 because I know that for a fact [05:10:15] [discord] were you ever on fandom? [05:10:22] [discord] dw i know what you mean [05:10:30] [discord] lmao i forgot you weren't around till mid 2021 [05:10:35] [discord] 2020 was rough [05:10:37] [discord] not you in particular but i know people with similar backstories [05:10:56] [discord] who tried to reverse stupid decisions and actions they made [05:11:10] [discord] I've always been around so I'm aware of everything that occured but I'm saying we didn't see you around during the time you got :BanHammerMH: [05:11:28] [discord] ah [05:11:39] [discord] 🤫 [05:11:42] [discord] we don't talk about that [05:11:45] [discord] bad timessssssssss [05:11:51] [discord] lmaoo [05:11:52] [discord] anywhoooo [05:11:53] [discord] yea [05:12:12] [discord] this is in fandom's posting for senior devops engineer on linkedin [05:12:13] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1067673221555552336/image.png [05:12:27] [discord] hmm [05:12:34] [discord] we should give all the sysadmins free access to online courses and books [05:12:38] [discord] "Macbook Pro and all the gear you need for work" [05:12:43] [discord] and say its sponsored by the company™️ but just [05:12:48] [discord] They've already got access to that [05:12:49] [discord] find public domain and f2u stuff [05:12:52] [discord] [[w🅱️]] [05:12:52] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/w%f0%9f%85%b1%ef%b8%8f [05:12:52] [discord] that's the most un-professional sentence...probably ever [05:12:53] [discord] [05:12:54] [url] Creating W🅱️ - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [05:12:55] [discord] ugh [05:13:03] [discord] [[w:\:b:]] [05:13:03] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%5c:b: [05:13:04] [discord] [05:13:10] [discord] fandom is not a competent company [05:13:11] [discord] ... [05:13:14] [discord] are you trying to link to [05:13:15] [discord] wikibooks [05:13:19] [discord] ye [05:13:21] [discord] that's a factual statement [05:13:25] [discord] whats that [05:13:30] [discord] do we have a local iw prefix for that [05:13:31] [discord] wikimedia wiki [05:13:32] [discord] [[b:]] [05:13:32] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ [05:13:33] [discord] [05:13:34] [url] Creating B: - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [05:13:36] [discord] that gives [05:13:37] [discord] books [05:13:41] [discord] and shit [05:13:42] [discord] free books [05:13:44] [discord] yea [05:13:45] [discord] lmao [05:13:46] [discord] [[wb:]] [05:13:46] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/wb: [05:13:48] [discord] [05:13:48] [url] Creating Wb: - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [05:13:51] [discord] i read their cpr guide but stopped because it made me sad [05:13:55] [discord] I thought about writing a book there once [05:13:57] [discord] bur [05:13:59] [discord] let me go try to find it hold on [05:14:01] [discord] we should add one [05:14:03] [discord] if we haven't already [05:14:06] [discord] I thought we did [05:14:07] [discord] there were a few things that stood out brb [05:14:10] [discord] [[Special:Interwiki]] [05:14:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Interwiki [05:14:11] [discord] [05:14:12] [url] View interwiki data - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [05:14:23] [discord] [[wikibooks:]] [05:14:23] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ [05:14:24] [discord] [05:14:25] [url] Wikibooks | en.wikibooks.org [05:14:25] [discord] huh [05:14:29] [discord] I'm dumb [05:14:34] [discord] oh [05:14:35] [discord] lmao [05:15:15] [discord]