[00:23:56] [discord] yeah uh so how do i start like a subwiki [00:24:02] [discord] like a group of wikis under conworlds [00:24:04] [discord] if that makes sense [00:24:18] [discord] like how differently on althistorywiki is [00:24:20] [discord] a subwiki [00:25:06] [discord] you can just start creating articles similar to how you would on Althistory like "ARTICLENAME (Your project name)" [00:25:34] [discord] the thing is, if your article name is fairly unique, like let's say "Republic of Randomtopia", you don't need to add your project name [00:26:06] [discord] well my world is just named Annexico for reasons you can probably assume just by the name [00:26:07] [discord] only when you have an article about an OTL entry like say Florida or China, you'd need to name it like you would on AHW, e.g. "Florida (My Project)" [00:26:25] [discord] Annexico I'm assuming would be the hub page? [00:26:29] [discord] mmhmmm [00:26:42] [discord] so yeah, let's say you made "Florida", it'd be "Florida (Annexico)" [00:26:46] [discord] cause im prob gonna move my separate wiki into conworlds so working is easier [00:26:59] [discord] i plan to have east and west florida but idk if those alr exist [00:27:15] [discord] but let's say you have a more unique name or entry, you don't need to add "(Annexico)" to the name as it can still be associated with your subwiki/project by the category [00:27:33] [discord] so for example one of my countries is the Anglo-Batavian Commonwealth [00:27:36] [discord] yeah [00:27:37] [discord] which i doubt is a common thing [00:27:38] [discord] so [00:27:43] [discord] yeah in that case [00:27:51] [discord] you do not need to affix (Annexico) [00:27:58] [discord] you can just name the article "Anglo-Batavian Commonwealth" as is [00:28:03] [discord] i see [00:28:15] [discord] so i'd just hit create page and just name it ''Annexico''? [00:28:17] [discord] when in doubt, you can ask and it can easily be moved if there's a conflict [00:28:18] [discord] yeah [00:28:22] [discord] ight hold on [00:28:23] [discord] we even have an infobox for it [00:28:29] [discord] for your hub page [00:28:39] [discord] wait do hub pages have to be italicized [00:28:42] [discord] i saw one that was [00:28:51] [discord] like the text [00:29:03] [discord] entirely up to you [00:29:09] [discord] how would i do that [00:29:10] [discord] if you want to italicize it, you may [00:29:39] [discord] you would insert this code at the top of your article: ``{{DISPLAYTITLE:''Annexico''}}`` [00:29:39] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/DISPLAYTITLE:Template:%27%27Annexico%27%27 [00:29:54] [discord] or add ``{{Italic title}}`` [00:29:54] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Italic_title [00:29:56] [discord] either one works [00:30:08] [discord] would i do that in the create page bar? [00:30:30] [discord] yeah [00:30:36] [discord] https://wiki.conworlds.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_conworld [00:30:39] [url] Template:Infobox conworld - Constructed Worlds | wiki.conworlds.org [00:30:49] [discord] here's the infobox you may use to help describe your conworld [00:30:53] [discord] alr [00:31:15] [discord] ope guess not [00:31:15] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1071588782320652398/image.png [00:31:23] [discord] hmm [00:31:39] [discord] i did this [00:31:40] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1071588883462115398/image.png [00:31:42] [discord] oh [00:31:46] [discord] you don't do that yet [00:31:49] [discord] ohh [00:31:55] [discord] for the create page, just type in ``Annexico`` [00:31:59] [discord] done [00:32:42] [discord] alright, now that the page is being created, you can add ``{{Italic title}}`` at the top and start adding more to the page, including the infobox if you so desire [00:32:42] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Italic_title [00:33:25] [discord] i see [00:36:21] [discord] hows this [00:36:22] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1071590068302659624/image.png [00:36:34] [discord] looks good! [00:36:36] [discord] i'm sure you remember CS [00:36:39] [discord] :ppenk: [00:36:40] [discord] indeed [00:36:47] [discord] great flags and coats of arms 😛 [00:37:10] [discord] Annexico! We're literally just CS but it actually has a specific topic [00:37:59] [discord] so now what do i put [00:38:00] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1071590477746421921/image.png [00:38:17] [discord] you can add whatever description you like to explain the premise of your world/timeline [00:38:27] [discord] i see [00:38:46] [discord] you can give a synopsis, explaining what it's about, and you could have like section with the world map, and section on all the countries and organizations in the world [00:40:34] [discord] ....so how would I commit a CS-Style :Troll: [00:40:36] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1071591127163088926/image.png [00:40:37] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1071591127435722843/image.png [00:40:38] [discord] cause i loved [00:40:49] [discord] how i did (what is now the former) CS wiki page [00:41:04] [discord] do you have wikiboxes for stuff like this [00:42:03] [discord] yes [00:42:13] [discord] POG [00:42:24] [discord] most of the stuff you see either can be directly copied and pasted [00:42:32] [discord] or just slightly tweaked to match the templates we have [00:42:52] [discord] do you have a link to the wikibox that's simular to the naiton list [00:42:53] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1071591708313255936/image.png [00:47:27] [discord] hmm [00:47:38] [discord] could you send me the link to that screenshot [00:47:44] [discord] I'll need to take a look [00:50:34] [discord] LMAO i found this on wikipediocracy [00:50:35] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1071593644030689410/image.png [00:53:04] [discord] uh [00:53:16] [discord] :moonch: [00:53:44] [discord] lmaoo [00:54:00] [discord] theres a lot of stories there about people who invented wikipedia hoaxes [00:54:17] [discord] i kinda want to make my own wikipedia hoax but i dont want it to be too damaging to the public or anything [00:54:48] [discord] maybe i could make a hoax about some kind of public colleiflower freak-out where there was a controversy that genshin impact made collei look like a vegetable to promote cannibalism [00:55:04] [discord] that nobody would take seriously enough to act on but would be hilarious [00:55:07] [discord] meh probably not [00:55:11] [discord] wouldnt be a good idea [00:55:28] [discord] people are remarkably and uniquely stupid sometimes [00:57:37] [discord] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia/Bicholim_conflict [00:57:37] [discord] iconic [00:57:38] [wikipedia] Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Bicholim conflict | "The Bicholim Conflict of 1640–1641 was a period of armed conflict between the Portuguese rulers of Goa and the Maratha Empire led by Shivaji Bhonsle in the northern regions of Goa, particularly in the Bicholim region. The conflict lasted from mid-1640 to early 1641, when the Maratha Confederacy and the Portuguese signed a treaty by which they would […]" [01:00:30] [discord] lmaoo [01:06:09] [discord] its ironic that wikipedia says not to create hoaxes about medical topics because it can harm people, which makes sense, but... [01:06:25] [discord] [[Wikipedia:Content disclaimer]] [01:06:25] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_disclaimer [01:06:25] [discord] > Wikipedia may contain triggers for people with post-traumatic stress disorder. [01:06:27] [discord] > Wikipedia may contain images and videos which can trigger epileptic seizures and other medical conditions. [01:06:28] [discord] [01:06:53] [discord] their page on why its not censored is that people will always be able to see the disclaimer at the bottom [01:07:07] [discord] i have to scroll several times to see a tiny disclaimer link [01:07:23] [discord] alongside several other links to things that nobody reads [01:07:24] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1071597877194932264/image.png [01:09:23] [discord] and they say that you can censor some images for yourself by enabling some css, gadgets, etc. on your account. to do that, you have to give the wikimedia foundation (already well-known for things like wasting money, see WP:CANCER) your password, IP address (you have to disable any "open proxy" to add something to your css/js), and sometimes email address, then enable a script that you won't be told exists un [01:10:16] [discord] you click that link after finding something you dont want to see, with no indication that the information about how to hide images is there [01:10:42] [discord] it is named so vaguely that people routinely use it as a forum for random topics, why do you think they plan on finding those instructions of all things over there [01:12:38] [discord] and then for things like [[Santa Claus]], the instructions linked dont even address the problem [01:12:38] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Santa_Claus [01:12:38] [discord] [01:12:39] [url] Creating Santa Claus - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [01:12:45] [discord] oops i mean [[w:Santa Claus]] [01:12:45] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus [01:12:46] [discord] [03:52:34] [discord] @florigon (i think its you who added this but i could be wrong) you never even received a response from them .-. [03:52:35] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1071639446409195540/image.png [03:56:36] [discord] yeah, left on read 😦 [03:56:40] [discord] rip yea [03:56:41] [discord] hmm [03:56:46] [discord] maybe miraheze should hire a disclosed paid editor (not undisclosed) [03:57:01] [discord] compiles with wikimedia terms of use [03:58:40] [discord] probably too expensive [03:59:35] [discord] i dunno if much can be done if there's not more news sites writing about it [04:01:09] [discord] yea true [04:01:43] [discord] but if it keeps growing, its bound to happen [04:01:51] [discord] indeed [04:02:53] [discord] i wonder what the most known, popular thing in the world is that wikipedia wont allow an article on for whatever reason [04:04:34] [discord] not sure [04:04:53] [discord] theres probably a lot of other well known stuff but im not sure [04:05:12] [discord] maybe we could get news sites to write about it by (for lack of a better word) "whistleblowing" on fandom [04:05:23] [discord] might be kinda difficult for that to go as i would imagine [04:05:38] [discord] but fandom is really, really controversial in regards to advertising [04:05:46] [discord] it's covered on [[w:Fandom (website)]] but only briefly [04:05:46] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fandom_(website) [04:06:29] [discord] like the story would be they suck cause of all there ads, and there'd be a mention of miraheze as an alternative? [04:07:07] [discord] maybe [04:07:31] [discord] perhaps [04:07:35] [discord] but the ads alone isnt an issue [04:07:40] [discord] well it is [04:07:46] [discord] but not as severe of an issue as the other things [04:08:12] [discord] see my "fandom actually sucks" meme for the screenshots of how employees have pointed out that fandom is banning editors who disagree with the company's vision [04:08:30] [discord] or for a more formal version [04:08:34] [discord] see the comparing miraheze to fandom essay [04:08:43] [discord] you wrote it? [04:08:46] [discord] no [04:08:46] [discord] i didnt [04:08:52] [discord] i made changes to the latest version though [04:09:00] [discord] is it on miraheze? [04:09:37] [discord] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Comparing_Miraheze_to_Fandom you havent seen it? [04:09:38] [url] Comparing Miraheze to Fandom - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [04:09:45] [discord] its an excellent essay [04:10:06] [discord] i added a lot of new information and citations but still the most important details and concepts were by others [04:10:11] [discord] ill check it out. ive pretty much never used fandom for anything [04:10:36] [discord] im not super into gaming and from what i can tell, that's like the main thing [04:11:12] [discord] fandom has a lot of other uses such as wikis about movies, books, etc. but as genshin-impact.fandom.com grows and after they acquired gamepedia i think their largest wikis are the ones about games [04:11:26] [discord] however behind the game wikis there are wikis like the harry potter wiki [04:11:32] [discord] and star wars wiki etc [04:11:53] [discord] gotcha, but not like general knowledge or encylopedia type stuff [04:12:36] [discord] do they deny you if its not like a "fan" related topic? [04:12:36] [discord] yea afaik thats the case [04:12:42] [discord] maybe [04:12:44] [discord] but im not sure [04:12:45] [discord] oh yeah [04:12:48] [discord] they dont manually review each new wik [04:12:51] [discord] *wiki [04:13:02] [discord] if it violates their rules they just find that out later and delete it then [04:13:23] [discord] oh interesting, so if someone couldnt get one on MH, they could try to slip one by on fandom [04:13:45] [discord] LMAO so on user profiles on their site, you can add a link to a website in your bio, and for god knows what reason, the links in bios are dofollow [04:14:08] [discord] so the spam obliteration and prevention team routinely has to delete user bios for this reason [04:14:14] [discord] indeed [04:14:19] [discord] usually though it works the other way around [04:14:23] [discord] fandom kicks someone off so they go to miraheze [04:14:34] [discord] i see [04:14:38] [discord] miraheze is usually what fandom users think of when they think of where else to go if fandom bans them [04:14:48] [discord] its a wiki host most people know about but find too complicated lmao [04:15:07] [discord] what is something fandom would ban you for, but miraheze would allow? [04:15:14] [discord] polandball wiki comes to mind [04:15:18] [discord] stereotypes [04:15:23] [discord] ah i see [04:15:31] [discord] qualitipedia was kicked off of both fandom and miraheze for the same reason [04:15:39] [discord] but was first accepted on miraheze [04:15:49] [discord] i think there are more but i forgot the rest of them [04:15:58] [discord] interesting [04:16:12] [discord] Qualitipedia wasn't kicked off, it was closed by community consensus [04:17:27] [discord] its hard to believe their own community and users would vote to close it. was it like people from other wikis on miraheze popping over to say they want it closed? [04:17:28] [discord] yes ik [04:17:32] [discord] qualitipedia was closde by consensus [04:17:41] [discord] but then there was a rfc on meta [04:17:46] [discord] I'm quite surprised it voted to self implode [04:17:47] [discord] which banned new reception wikis [04:17:58] [discord] > its hard to believe their own community and users would vote to close it. was it like people from other wikis on miraheze popping over to say they want it closed? [04:17:59] [discord] not really [04:18:10] [discord] they decided to close it after their wiki began to cause problems for themselves and other wikis [04:19:22] [discord] i guess based on all the posts of people complaining about it being gone, you'd think they'd have come out in full force to prevent consensus [04:19:41] [discord] Votes from external users aren't really counted when determining census [04:19:54]