[01:12:36] [discord] I wonder what would happen if I revoked AbuseFilter's blocking rights on my private wiki and then made a filter that is supposed to block me [01:23:10] [discord] that would be kinda interesting [01:25:27] [discord] bruh but i literally revoked its block perms .-. [01:25:28] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1073414364209627268/image.png [01:26:28] [discord] I couldn't figure out how to do that, so I demoted it [01:26:37] [discord] Apparently it repromoted itself [01:26:53] [discord] Then I blocked it to stop it from blocking me, but that didn't work too [01:27:10] [discord] Looks like there's no way to stop the abuse filter [01:27:18] [discord] Not that I can think of, at least [01:27:40] [discord] i have another idea [01:27:44] [discord] revoke the block permissions from sysop [01:29:55] [discord] strange, didnt work [01:30:02] [discord] I just did, but that didn't work either [01:30:04] [discord] yeah [01:30:05] [discord] same [01:30:16] [discord] it seems to register the block irrespective of its permissions [01:30:44] [discord] i had tried a similar thing with deleting the autoconfrmed group then making abuse filter revoke autoconfirmed from me, that also did nothing interesting [01:34:20] [discord] I just tried making another filter that would block the abuse filter when it tried to block me, but it never triggered [01:34:37] [discord] offtopic: started making my skin today, yayy ~~of course is still very barebones~~ [01:34:38] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1073416668610568232/image.png [01:37:38] [discord] I just figured out why the filter to block the abuse filter didn't work [01:37:48] [discord] The abuse filter doesn't show up when I test it [01:38:22] [discord] Actually, it doesn't show blocks at all [01:57:57] [discord] yeah from what i can tell [01:58:03] [discord] it just registers the block in the database [01:58:22] [discord] but its not really sending out to all the hooks etc that the account `Abuse filter` blocked account X [01:58:33] [discord] or checking permissions [02:08:20] [discord] AbuseFilter is undefeatable [03:05:51] [discord] indeed lmao [03:18:43] [discord] could it be made so that the NSFW wikis are spoiler marked in the cvt feed or something [03:18:44] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1073442866237546496/image.png [03:19:05] [discord] because i dont really like reading the things on degrees of lewdity lmao [03:24:30] [discord] There's no way built-in NSFW flag so the extension can't figure out what wiki is what [03:24:40] [discord] oh [03:24:42] [discord] thats surprising [03:25:28] [discord] given this i thought there might be an nsfw flag [03:25:28] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1073444564767092746/image.png [03:25:33] [discord] but makes sense [03:28:22] [discord] There isn't, no [03:28:35] [discord] I really didn't want to add that section when drafting the CP reform but found it deeply necessary [03:28:58] [discord] I don't really want to add a field for it in ManageWiki so as to not encourage wikis of that subject as they tend to cause us grief but well [03:29:04] [discord] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [03:30:14] [discord] makes sense [03:30:58] [discord] if nsfw wikis were forbidden altogether i think we'd lose an advantage we have over fandom because theres not many other wiki hosts that allow nsfw wikis, fandom bans them altogether while others either also ban them or highly regulate them [03:31:07] [discord] but also [03:31:18] [discord] nobody wants to read people's weird fantasies in #cvt-feed-experimental lmao [03:33:59] [discord] That could be an interesting thing to look into for the future [03:36:23] [discord] yeah [03:36:29] [discord] anyway i just did something ~~reckless~~ bold [03:36:39] [discord] i told someone in the genshin impact fandom wiki discord about genshinimpact.miraheze.org [03:37:03] [discord] because of the recent voice actor controversy with tighnari's voice actor (accused of pedophilia among other things) it gave me an excuse to link to the miraheze wiki [03:37:10] [discord] which from what i can tell is the only wiki documenting the controversy atm [03:38:48] [discord] I understand them though. It's very tiring to have to go back and forth with people about an NSFW wiki every so often when people want us to close them down and then it's tiring when they tread on a very thin line of "maybe legal, maybe not" + it's not nice when people say "oh yeah, Miraheze, don't they host that one feet wiki and that one orphanage sexual fantasy wiki?" lol [03:40:15] [discord] yeah its different when it gets to really screwed up stuff [03:41:08] [discord] maybe we could do something similar to reddit's quarantine system where the weird communities can stay around but they are excluded from being actively promoted and suggested anywhere (reddit does this for blatant hoaxes that they dont have grounds to suspend altogether) [03:41:22] [discord] might be more trouble than its worth though [03:41:40] [discord] lmao i did it again [03:41:41] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1073448641416667136/image.png [03:45:50] [discord] Well, we don't really promote or suggest wikis anywhere lol [03:46:09] [discord] The most we can do is exclude them from WikiDiscover but that would literally do nothing [03:46:26] [discord] fair [03:46:28] [discord] makes sense [03:48:31] [discord] sexual stuff is getting shunned hard from just social media in the last few years, thanks to investors, banks and what not [03:48:32] [discord] Miraheze, being non for profit and independent, AND allowing such stuff has a huge advantage, no matter other people say [03:48:33] [discord] really [03:50:44] [discord] true [03:51:02] [discord] reminds me of AO3's stance [03:51:57] [discord] forgot exactly what they said in response to the german govt (maybe it was some other one, anyway the ruling was reversed later) accusing them of hosting written child pornography (thats an oxymoron by the definition of pornography), we dont remove things just because you objectively dont like them [03:52:20] [discord] can that be weird? yes [03:52:20] [discord] does it hurt somebody? no [03:52:22] [discord] yes, there are scary cases like recently closed (at last) one fetish wiki but now content policy makes it hard to do such things again [03:53:14] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1073451553027006514/image.png [03:53:15] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1073451554088161280/image.png [03:53:18] [discord] yeah [03:53:35] [discord] i dont disagree that a lot of people have really weird fantasies, that doesnt make it per se harmful [03:53:47] [discord] its different if they're sending unsolicited nsfw content or harming actual people [03:53:57] [discord] but just making fictional content about screwed up content isnt necessarily going to harm a real person [03:58:27] [discord] i maintain an ao3 account btw, i appreciate their advocacy for many kinds of content [03:58:35] [discord] you can choose what content to view [03:58:39] [discord] i dont read [03:58:40] [discord] weird things [03:58:43] [discord] The only thing which really concerns me is those wikis which are always on the edge, like DoL, and have rather questionable content. Wikis whose main focus isn't anything like that should always be fine, any censorship of anything that just so happens to mention that is very silly [03:58:44] [discord] but i wont harass anyone who does [03:59:06] [discord] im assuming DoL is degrees of lewditiy [03:59:08] [discord] The real issue is when the content is so questionable that it starts to bleed into the reputation of a service and potentially affects those who donate [03:59:44] [discord] last time it was a mob trying to take it down tho? [03:59:55] [discord] It's always a mob lol [04:00:06] [discord] the subject itself seems to be pretty obscure tbh [04:00:49] [discord] It's not, it's a very well know wiki. During years past, it was one of our most viewed at various moments of the year [04:01:14] [discord] mm [04:01:17] [discord] thats amazing [04:02:17] [discord] It hasn't been in the top 50 (100?) In a while I think but still [04:02:21] [discord] shows you the magnitude of it [04:03:01] [discord] yea [04:05:43] [discord] this is, erm, interesting [04:05:44] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1073454697404432476/image.png [04:05:58] [discord] its not as horrible as i thought it might be [04:08:10] [discord] text based even, wow [04:08:44] [discord] indeed [04:16:33] [discord] it woild be so nice if Fandom /f was open source and workable [04:20:32] [discord] wtf [04:20:33] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1073458426010685450/image.png [04:20:35] [discord] yea it would [04:21:03] [discord] that'll probably never happen tbh [04:21:20] [discord] Discussions is a feature which has thwarted moves before [04:22:15] [discord] ive been working on making a discussions ~~clone~~ replacement [04:22:18] [discord] i plan to call it wikisocial [04:22:41] [discord] some of the old fandom code is open source [04:22:54] [discord] i made enough modifications to avoid copyright violations [04:23:06] [discord] yeah, I was looking at it and was thinking about creating an open source version. [04:23:20] [discord] everyone would be very happy if you did [04:23:22] [discord] The trouble is, the concept of discussions isn't built with mediawiki development in mind [04:23:43] [discord] iirc, it was built as an outside thing and hooked into mediawiki [04:23:58] [discord] huh> [04:24:15] [discord] i think he means people chose to not leave fandom [04:24:20] [discord] because of discussions only on fandom [04:24:25] [discord] and no miraheze discussions [04:27:49] [discord] would be a nice feature [04:29:10] [discord] indeed [04:29:28] [discord] > iirc, it was built as an outside thing and hooked into mediawiki [04:29:28] [discord] yeah i know this [04:31:23] [discord] ok so, in firefox, it gives you the original pre-webpack source code someiow [04:31:26] [discord] *somehow [04:31:39] [discord] god knows how or why [04:31:40] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1073461223288479744/image.png [04:31:47] [discord] but is there a functional way to export this into a file [04:35:13] [discord] I have no idea. [04:35:43] [discord] wait i see [04:35:44] [discord] https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/silversurfer/prod/latest/pathfinder.js.map [04:36:04] [discord] lmao this was clearly uploaded by mistake 💀 [04:36:07] [discord] probably anyway [04:46:44] [discord] btw i found it [04:46:45] [discord] https://github.com/Wikia/app/tree/dev/extensions/wikia/Discussions [04:46:47] [discord] there we go [04:46:49] [discord] open source discussions [04:46:51] [url] app/extensions/wikia/Discussions at dev · Wikia/app · GitHub | github.com [04:46:56] [discord] built for an outdated version of mediawiki [04:47:04] [discord] good luck trying to make this work with modern mediawiki [04:47:10] [discord] especially given the complete lack of documentation [04:48:08] [discord] this might have something to do with discussions (it seems referenced by a few discussions things): https://github.com/Wikia/app/tree/dev/extensions/wikia/Recirculation [04:48:08] [url] app/extensions/wikia/Recirculation at dev · Wikia/app · GitHub | github.com [04:48:24] [discord] and discussions log: https://github.com/Wikia/app/tree/dev/extensions/wikia/SpecialDiscussionsLog [04:48:25] [url] app/extensions/wikia/SpecialDiscussionsLog at dev · Wikia/app · GitHub | github.com [04:48:31] [discord] I looked at that — it isn't the entire code, some of the code is in FeedsAndPosts [04:48:40] [discord] its spread across a lot of different extensions. [04:48:44] [discord] ah [04:48:46] [discord] that makes sense [04:49:02] [discord] maybe i should just download Wikia/app and see what it takes to make it run on my local pc [04:49:07] [discord] imagine [04:49:25] [discord] i mean it says: [04:49:26] [discord] ``` [04:49:27] [discord] As it is not designed to be portable, it is not considered to be suitable for external use, and we cannot offer support for such use cases. [04:49:28] [discord] ``` [04:49:30] [discord] but it doesnt flat out say its impossible [04:49:41] [discord] the repository is under the gnu general public license [04:49:53] [discord] try it [04:50:32] [discord] kk i will [04:50:38] [discord] Fandom relies on too many outside services for my liking [04:50:44] [discord] i remember trying it once and it (obviously) throwing a lot of errors [04:50:50] [discord] and most of their stuff is built on top of Nirvana [04:50:54] [discord] but i didnt try for very long [04:51:05] [discord] so maybe i should try it again 👍 [04:53:44] [discord] maybe [04:53:48] [discord] i'd laugh if it worked [04:53:51] [discord] lmao yea [04:53:54] [discord] it'd take a long time and be pretty broken [04:53:56] [discord] but would be funny [05:03:32] [discord] ah yeah [05:03:35] [discord] ``` [05:03:36] [discord] Fatal error: Uncaught RuntimeException: Datacenter not configured in WIKIA_DATACENTER env variable. in C:\xampp\htdocs\LocalSettings.php:34 Stack trace: #0 C:\xampp\htdocs\includes\WebStart.php(137): require_once() #1 C:\xampp\htdocs\index.php(58): require('C:\\xampp\\htdocs...') #2 {main} thrown in C:\xampp\htdocs\LocalSettings.php on line 34 [05:03:37] [discord] ``` [05:03:41] [discord] alright i see [05:03:43] [discord] hmm [05:03:44] [discord] hold on [05:09:04] [discord] fixed it by: [05:09:05] [discord] 1. changing environment to development [05:09:06] [discord] 2. commenting out the check for datacenter [05:09:08] [discord] new errors: [05:09:13] [discord] ``` [05:09:14] [discord] [05:09:15] [discord] Warning: Undefined variable $wgDBbackendAdminUser in C:\xampp\htdocs\includes\wikia\VariablesExpansions.php on line 178 [05:09:17] [discord] [05:09:18] [discord] Warning: Undefined variable $wgDBbackendAdminPassword in C:\xampp\htdocs\includes\wikia\VariablesExpansions.php on line 179 [05:09:19] [discord] [05:09:21] [discord] Warning: Undefined variable $wgDBpassword in C:\xampp\htdocs\includes\wikia\VariablesExpansions.php on line 268 [05:09:22] [discord] [05:09:23] [discord] Warning: Undefined variable $wgGcsCredentialsProd in C:\xampp\htdocs\includes\wikia\DefaultSettings.php on line 1327 [05:09:24] [discord] [05:09:26] [discord] Warning: require_once(C:\xampp\htdocs/../config/dev.php): Failed to open stream: No such file or directory in C:\xampp\htdocs\LocalSettings.php on line 293 [05:09:27] [discord] [05:09:28] [discord] Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Failed opening required 'C:\xampp\htdocs/../config/dev.php' (include_path='C:\xampp\htdocs\lib\composer/pear/archive_tar;C:\xampp\htdocs\lib\composer/pear/console_getopt;C:\xampp\htdocs\lib\composer/pear/mail_mime;C:\xampp\htdocs\lib\composer/pear/net_socket;C:\xampp\htdocs\lib\composer/pear/pear-core-minimal/src;C:\xampp\htdocs\lib\composer/pear/pear_exception;C:\xampp\htdocs\li [05:09:30] [discord] ``` [05:13:05] [discord] LMAO I HAD A BETTER IDEA [05:13:13] [discord] i jut re-named localsettings.php to localsettings.php.old [05:13:19] [discord] after setting up mediawiki [05:13:29] [discord] ill gradually re-introduce old localsettings variables [05:13:49] [discord] oh nice [05:33:43] [discord] alright this clearly [05:33:44] [discord] is not working [05:34:03] [discord] may try something else where i install mediawiki then put some fandom extensions into it [05:37:30] [discord] Isn't that code basically just MediaWiki 1.19? [05:37:43] [discord]