[04:49:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> @Agent 
[04:49:29] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ```html
[04:49:31] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> <strong>Warning: The database has been locked for maintenance, so you will not be able to publish your edits right now.</strong> You may wish to copy and paste your text into a text file and save it for later.
[04:49:32] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> The explanation for the database being locked that has been provided is: <code>$1</code>
[04:49:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> Please contact us on [[meta:Discord|Discord]] or [[meta:IRC|IRC]] so that [[meta:SRE|Site Reliability Engineering]] can fix it. However, please check the Discord announcements channel first, as this may be caused by planned and routine maintenance instead of an error.
[04:49:33] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Discord https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SRE
[04:49:34] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ```
[04:49:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> just so you have it for later
[04:49:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> because general chat is busy
[05:04:10] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> where at
[05:05:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> proposal to change MediaWiki:Readonlywarning to
[05:05:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> rhinosf1 said to make agent re-write it
[05:05:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> the current explanation given on the read only error is vague and unhelpful
[05:06:23] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> one second
[05:06:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ```html
[05:06:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> <strong>Warning: The database has been locked for maintenance, so you will not be able to publish your edits right now.</strong> You may wish to copy and paste your text into a text file and save it for later.
[05:06:40] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> The explanation for the database being locked that has been provided is: <code>$1</code>
[05:06:41] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> Please contact us on [[meta:Discord|Discord]] or [[meta:IRC|IRC]] so that [[meta:SRE|Site Reliability Engineering]] can fix it. However, please check [https://status.miraheze.wiki/ the Miraheze status page], as this may be caused by planned and routine maintenance instead of an error.
[05:06:41] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Discord https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SRE
[05:06:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ```
[05:07:38] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> say what
[05:08:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i wrote the proposed new read only warning
[05:08:28] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> and rhinosf1 says agent should re-write my proposal
[05:08:39] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> do you know that error
[05:08:42] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> yes
[05:08:48] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> "the database is in read only the system administrator said this" etc
[05:09:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> MediaWiki:Readonlywarning contains that message
[05:09:07] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> i—agent doesn’t *need* to re-write if they don’t want to
[05:09:11] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> i know
[05:09:17] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> not sure why rhinos is singling them out specifically
[05:09:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> but okay
[05:09:25] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> because agent knows how to do shit or something
[05:09:56] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> i don’t think yours is that bad actually
[05:10:02] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ah
[05:10:09] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> if @Agent thinks is good
[05:10:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <BWM> then we can add
[05:10:43] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ok
[05:32:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <NotAracham> There's a bit more sensitivity around system messages of those types as those are sitewide messages.  That's Agent's remit and hence the ask for review before anything moves forward.
[05:36:50] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> makes sense
[18:31:03] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> @BWM agent is SRE’s Community Engagement Specialist. This is very much within that role.
[18:31:27] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> I’m asking them to review how SRE communicate database issues
[18:31:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <RhinosF1> Cc @Agent
[18:37:55] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> The ifeq parser function idea by Collei might be feasible to at least communicate it isn't something planned
[18:38:05] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Agent> or maybe even a sitenotice that triggers when wgReadOnly is set
[20:06:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yea
[20:17:12] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> @Agent are you sure that all of these criteria have to be met?
[20:17:13] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ```
[20:17:14] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> Global Sysops should only act in their capacity if:
[20:17:15] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>     There is disruption on a wiki and there are no local sysops or bureaucrats acting in a reasonable amount of time
[20:17:16] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>     The global Special:AbuseLog shows attempted spam that hasn't been dealt with by local sysops or bureaucrats
[20:17:18] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>     A request to intervene is made by a member of the local community
[20:17:19] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower>     A global policy violation needs rectification and local sysops or bureaucrats aren't acting in a reasonable amount of time
[20:17:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> ```
[20:17:22] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> because i've seen global sysops intervene when the abuse log shows no spam
[20:23:26] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Meteor> AFAIK, only one of those criteria has to be met
[20:25:20] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> yes but agent reverted my edit stating that because he said all criteria must be met
[20:41:51] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> PSA: https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/confused-date-labels-packaged-foods
[20:41:52] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <Colleiflower> Best if used by dates are not expiry dates. Do not toss good food. It contributes to food waste!
[21:09:33] <mhbridgebot>	 [discord] <raidarr> yeah, those dates can be bizarre