[03:16:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> It's not bad, uneven in a few spots, but not bad.
[03:17:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Also hi MH people
[08:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1169282550154408107
[08:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] @pixldev
[08:38:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> also I still don't get if it was only admin approval
[08:40:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it still feels sketchy that local admins approved it in heartbeat w/o any reach to editors or community, despite of how fandom itself boasts on caring about community as the reason to not close wikis
[08:41:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if you check our Meta wiki some sort of discussions or voting always are going on
[12:13:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Thank you for the clarification. I may reach out to one of the admins or bureaucrats of the wiki to ask, as well as search on talk pages/forums
[12:14:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Common Miraheze W thou
[12:16:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to pixldev> We have literally been told time and time again, that people that migrate their wikis from Fandom have been removed from their wikis, any indication they migrated removed from the fandom wiki, and fandom staff giving random members administrative rights. So all in all Fandom only cares about the profit and thats it.
[12:18:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> It still makes me wonder how WMF and Fandom could share founders and be two completely different environments and styles of operations, just shows profit makes people greedy
[12:19:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> (And no, I’m not saying WMF doesnt have its own pitfalls)
[12:19:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Yeah
[12:20:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Im trying to keep a neutral ish pow by hearing arguments from here and the fandom discord
[12:20:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> But
[12:22:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> I wanna say a few years ago there was a former Fandom staff member that even spoke out against Fandom, but I could be misremembering
[12:41:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> well, pcj was pretty clear in his letter
[12:43:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] oh lol, he's blocked over there
[12:43:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] <https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/User:Pcj>
[12:45:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> <https://www.pcj.us/fandom/>
[13:10:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> oh this is so fucked
[13:18:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> [1/2] a friend of mine wanted to do a video on fandom and how it's really fucked. and god i don't blame them
[13:18:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> [2/2] every time i learn more shit about fandom the more i realize this goes DEEP
[14:07:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> For the sake of the gods of wiki civility May we pray the walls of the Fandom and Miraheze discord never fall
[14:13:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> So True
[14:13:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> unironically i feel really bad for anyone working in or with fandom
[14:13:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> from what i've heard it's just
[14:13:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> not good
[14:22:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to superkirbylover> I mean Fandom is the reason I’m here kinda
[14:22:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> A year ago I had no idea what MediaWiki was
[14:22:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Started contributing on a fandom wiki
[14:22:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Became nerd
[14:22:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> my only experience with fandom is me vandalising the UT wiki in 2016 and them taking a week to find out what i did and reverse it
[14:22:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> When another community was like hey let’s make a wiki
[14:26:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> ironically i never knew about miraheze until the PT wiki migrated
[14:26:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I never knew bout it till that community made a wiki
[14:27:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> [1/2] i knew about PT when it released and when i found out there was a wiki i was excited
[14:27:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> [2/2] but i found out it was on fandom and my heart sunk
[14:27:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> mostly because fandom is very ripe for misinformation
[14:27:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superkirbylover> same exact reason why i don't contribute to the UT wiki at all
[17:20:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Been looking at some analytics for the site cause given the number of new wiki requests I would have thought traffic and searches would also increase
[17:20:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://www.similarweb.com/website/miraheze.org/#overview
[17:20:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Not the case it seems
[17:20:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Google trends also don’t show any big spikes
[17:22:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> the accuracy of Similar Web is debatable.
[17:22:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Oh absolutely
[17:22:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Still it’s interesting
[17:22:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Know any better sources?
[17:24:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> http://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Analytics gives a general indication of viewership, but doesn't compare day-to-day
[17:24:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Yeah
[17:25:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Ngl This page is pain for me ;w;
[18:47:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium, replying to pixldev> Yes. MediaWiki is the free and open source core of these wikis
[20:37:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <netidiebele> Confess your sins to the skeleton